To the HIllHounds of DU... I hope you are pleased with yourselves. A Rant!

[bunnies]

And no... Im not talking to all Clinton supporters... just those whose single purpose is to suck every last bit of optimism from every Obama fan. Hounds of Hill... you know who you are.

I worked my ASS of to get every young 20 something person I know involved in the political process this year. And as I now regret... I sent them all to DU. Now Ive gotten FOUR phone calls today... from young Obama supporters... some of them IN TEARS over the shit they've read on this board.

Imagine being a young, enthusiastic, NON-politically hardened person and coming to a "Democratic" board only to be accused of being brainwashed, braindead, or in a fucking cult. They say "if this is what politics is about, I dont want any part of it".

I cant BELIEVE I have to fucking defend these asshole posts on DU. You know... you can call ME whatever the fucking hell you want. Im impervious to the hatred. But the young people new to the political process are NOT. And YOU with you evil intended posts have single-handedly UNDONE everything Ive tried to do to build our party.

So I hope you're fucking pleased with yourselves. You've taken young Dems who just voted in their FIRST primary and turned them into people as bitter as you are. And is it my job now to convince them to vote for YOUR candidate? Why? You sure as hell havent.

And then theres Mr. bunnies. Its taken me TEN YEARS to get him politically active. At 35 years old he just voted in his FIRST primary. NOW he has the impression that half the fucking party loathes him. Great fucking job HillHounds. You win. I know five people you've beat down.

End of rant.

[Clintonista2]

1. Kids who cry over people being mean to them on a message board

Probably shouldn't be voting anyways.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. Yeah, people who have to cry all the time should get out of politics. I'm with you on that.

[surfermaw]

41. Poor babies, remember the stuff you handed NEW edwards voters

As for the brain washing it happened as one example CNN and the word Obama, if your candidate had been you might as well say swiffed boated on CNN and other stations , what we have posted would have blown the site away. Edwards wasn't mentioned unless it wass something to bring him down until after Iowa, then he got very little until many complained...

[John Q. Citizen]

131. I was leaning Edwards until he dropped out. Started with Kucinich. I don't know what you are

rambling on about? It's hard to decipher what you are saying, actually.

[KansDem]

440. I know what you mean. Initially, I was going with Kucinich, then he backed out

Then I was warming up to Edwards, and he said "no"

For a while there, I thought I was dating again!

I'll just wait and vote for the candidate whose last name ends with a capital "D"...

[flasoapbox]

433. LOL WUT?

bling beep bo doop

[DutchLiberal]

267. Game. Set. Match!

Awesome comeback! :rofl:

[whopis01]

316. Now that is funny! n/t

[Zodiak]

398. LOL

good one

[Scott from Mpls]

431. Including Hillary?

She crys, whenever convenient it seems, as well.

[bunnies]

8. I expect more from you.

These are kids that would have voted for the Dem regardless. You dont care about them? The future of the party? Thats telling Lirwin. As I said... I expected more from you.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

30. Hard to expect more from someone displaying a repuke kool-aide

caricature with Obama's name on it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

32. Your sense of entitlement is hilarious

Maybe these darling young potential Democrats might be disillusioned by seeing the only successful Democratic President of their life-times derided as a rapist and racist and thief by your Hope battalions.

Maybe they will be disillusioned to find that Hillary Clinton, not George Bush, is really responsible for the Iraq war.

Maybe they would be disillusioned to find out that less educated people who support Hillary are just dumb losers.

Your sides' hope parade has looked like Stalingrad, or Sherman's march to the sea.

[Clintonista2]

42. No kidding. Obama supporters want to play rough, but as soon as they get hurt...

They make threads like this.

[Bluerthanblue]

they they they- is there any room for 'we' or 'our' in your

cruel little click?

Maybe you display the flavor-ade because it is a symbol of initiation into your own exclusive domain?

Not a pleasant or "progressive" attitude.

peace~

[cooolandrew]

434. I think in general Barack supporters rarelyget personal just address issues.

[bunnies]

166. MY sense of entitlement?!?!

I have no idea what the hell youre talking about. I have no such thing.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

200. If Mr. Bunnies had voted for Hillary, would he feel warmly embraced here?

You say that thanks to HillHounds, Mr. Bunnies feels half the party hates him.

If he had voted for Hillary, I guess he would feel the warm embrace of Obama supporters' love and tolerance.

You obviously feel entitled to have your political choices (and those of people you know) validated by everyone, but you don't seem to have the first notion of the fact that the HillHounds, as you call them, have been treated like hammered dog-shit on DU for a solid fucking year.

Obama supporters on DU are, on average, the nastiest people I have ever encountered anywhere.

You expect young people's hopes to be validated, as long as they vote like you. If a young woman excited about Hillary came here she would be told that she should shut the fuck up and go die in Iraq. (In those words... we have all seen it more than once.)

And she would probably cry.

So, yes... you seem to feel you have a right to have your views respected by all, and are not unduly concerned if other people who diagree with you are savaged.

[Clintonista2]

205. This whole thread is even more hilarious considering the venom Bunnies spews on a regular basis

towards Hillary supporters, or "Hillhounds" as she calls them.

[bunnies]

212. Please provide links to the venom Ive spewed.

And HillHounds is a today creation. Waiting for those links.

[Clintonista2]

218. Sure, the results of a quick 30 second search for some of of your "charm"

"you have no fucking clue what youre talking about."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4297948#4298729

"Hillary Clinton-Mindfucker"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4463471#4463605

"Hillhounds"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4464463

[bunnies]

228. You just proved my point Lirwin.

You had to link to THIS thread to find an anti-Hillary position. And its not even anti-Hillary. Its anti-Hillary Supporters. That thread from the photoshop know-it-all speaks for itself. No Hillary bashing there. I was simply addressing the OP's supposed knowledge. And as to the Mindfuck thread... that was a Clinton supporters words - not mine. I guess you would consider him "charming" too?

In the land of DU... thats not at all venomous and you know it. Im not a Hillary Hater and you just proved that.

[Capn Sunshine]

318. Not sure Lirwin Knows up from down anyway

or wants to. He spends much of his time wondering about it all.

[liberalhistorian]

331. And I recall being referred to as an

"Obamabozo" several times. And I've also heard "O-bot" around here. Oh, yes, and we mustn't forget being constantly referred to as "Obamababies" lately. So please, give me a fucking break about Hillary people being oh-so-nice and civil. They've been far worse than anything Obama people have said. They just can't stand the fact that she actually has opposition, that she's not going to just cake-walk to the nomination, that she actually has to go through the democratic process first. They can't stand the fact that we don't think she's automatically entitled to the presidency.

And, btw, when the fuck is she ever going to acknowledge being wrong in voting for the IWR, and for every single war funding bill since? Hmmmmmmmmmmm??????? And when is she going to stop using her "crying", which is nothing more than crocodile tears, in order to gain sympathy and support?

[grassfed]

353. 35 yrs experience

Feminist who used first lady status of Ark and US to get in the door.
YES on IWR, Kyle Lieberman, War financing...
NO on cluster bomb ban
SILENT on 06 Lebanon bloodbath, Gaza, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Patriot Act, FISA, Sibel Edmonds, signing statements...

[crud76]

419. I like

"Obamaton" myself, that is, White suburban kids who think you vote for someone because "Black is cool" + supposedly mature adults of whatever hue who think you vote for someone because they use words like "hope" and "change."

Our democratic process has been Britney-ized. Wake up, folks.

[Qutzupalotl]

437. I can back up bunnies on the photoshop one.

1corona4u had no fucking clue what she was talking about, and subsequent explanations dug her in deeper by exposing her profound ignorance. She deserved to be called a liar, which I did.

[bunnies]

208. Mr. bunnies voted for Edwards...

but now that Edwards is out hes for Obama.

And no... Im not talking just about young Obama supporters as many of the kids Ive gotten involved have supported other candidates. Its just that Obama was example of the day due to the phone calls Ive received.

I think the HATE against any of our candidates is not only wrong, but despicable. I dont think a young woman excited about Hillary should be discouraged anymore than I think my young Obama supporting friends should be.

The Hillary hate is just as bad... imho. I dont condone either. It hurts our party.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

226. If we're just down on hateful behavior, that's cool

I merely bristle at suggestions that the hate is peculiar to Hillary fans.

Nobody gets shit on at DU like Hillary. That's an observation, not a call for pity. The shear hated of Hillary has been so constant that it becomes background noise, like it's natural. (Like the one kid in every class that kids accept is there to be picked on, because they are so used to seeing him picked on.)

I doubt more than a handful of Hillary supporters actually hate Obama. Many, many, many people here genuinely HATE Hillary. One can argue that hate is deserved, but either way it is hate.

[bunnies]

229. Either way its hate and either way it sucks.

Sure. I prefer Obama and you prefer Clinton. But I dont feel as though we think we need to beat each other down. If your candidate gets the nod, I will vote for her regardless because Im old enough to understand the ramifications. Im not FOR any young Dem getting the wind knocked out of them. I dont care who they chose to support.

Perhaps my OP was a bit one sided. But I can and DO see both sides.

I think we can agree that HATE SUCKS.

[creeksneakers2]

248. They soured on politics

when what they should have soured on was the Internet. The common netiquette is vulgarity and emotional combat. DU is far from the worst place. AOL message boards were so bad that every post I read I said to myself, "How could somebody actually say that?" The E-mails sent into the in-boxes of prominent journalists and political figures must be unfit for children also.

Tell your pals that "go fuck yourself" doesn't mean the same on the net as it means in real life. It's just an expression.

[yardwork]

426. Exactly. The internet is a contact sport and DU during primary season isn't pretty.

In contrast to most of the internet, though, DU is a model of civility.

Anyone in tears over posts on an anonymous message board needs to log off. That's not meant as an insult. It's a reminder that this is not "the real world" and we shouldn't mistake it for the real world. Have real flesh-and-blood friends. Canvass and work for the candidates you choose. Love your family and friends and animals.

If the internet isn't fun, don't do it. Seriously.

[Andromeda]

362. You haven't exactly taken the high road here.

The Obama supporters at DU (some, not all) have been disgustingly rude and ill-mannered. They've said horrible things about Hillary and her supporters for over a year now and I'm pretty sick of it.

The name-calling actually has gone on for longer than a year and it's always worse during an election cycle. I don't mind if somebody supports another candidate---that's good, I mean I don't expect everybody to think like I do. But when they start in with really mean, mean stuff that kind of stops the discussion and starts a fight.

In fact, it's not a discussion when you inject horrible names and such---it just turns you off.

I would really like it if we could be civil to each other and learn how to have a conversation without having it turn into a brawl.

[bunnies]

449. When you say "you" surely you dont mean ME.

This is the one name-calling post Ive originated. Please dont put me into the bag of "Obama Supporters" who have acted badly. Im not one of them. Yet Im constantly vilified as such.

[Andromeda]

366. Exactly.

I especially like the part about Hillary--personally--starting the war.

And bringing up Anita Broderick is about the lowest, slimiest thing I've read here on DU. That smear came from the Republicans during the impeachment, while everyone was piling on, and when the bimbo eruption started peaking.

Nothing came of it because there was no there, there. They just wanted their 15 min. of fame.

Oh, and one of the best put-downs was being derided for being a boomer. Boomer=loser, according to Obama. It's SO yesterday!

Now, it's "Bill Clinton is a racist." It just won't stop.

[incapsulated]

442. I nearly choked laughing at this post

:rofl:

[SoxFan]

252. I don't

This is exactly the sort of garbage I have come to expect from the HillHounds (great turn of phrase, by the way). Mock, belittle, and intimidate.

I live in a state where this has been the Democratic establishment's modus operandi for a decade. I'm used to it. But if I were a 17 year old getting involved for the first time, this would sour me on politics for a long, long time to come.

[blayne]

255. I totally see your point, but

you should have told them DU isn't always the friendliest place. A year ago when I first joined, I got my feelings hurt a few times at first, but you have to keep reading. If you tell them to keep reading, they will learn what this board is all about and where the people on here are coming from.

This cause didn't start yesterday, and the people on here are very passionate about their goals and the journey that got them to where they are at. Tell your young friends to keep reading and learning, and not to get discouraged.

[chimpymustgo]

312. You STARTED this thread calling names. HYPOCRITE much? You whiners need to sit at the kiddiedie tab

table.

Good grief. I hope you are thoroughly embarrassed by now.

[ClintonTyree]

378. These are kids who are star-struck by a charismatic candidate....

and I was wondering who directed all of the Obamoonies to DU to spam the board with ridiculous post after post. Hundreds of newbies, all directed to DU to spam the hell out of it. Great, thanks. :eyes:

The thing with the Obamoonies is, they have NO sense of practical political necessity. Let me explain that. The Obamoonies (for the most part) are a bunch of political neophytes who have been drawn into the political process by the appearance of a "rock star", a "messsiah" who strikes their emotional heart-strings; Barack Obama. That's a good thing, IF, they stay in contact with the Democratic party no matter who wins the nomination. But they won't. I've read SOOO many posts here by Obama's acolytes saying, "well if Hillary wins, I'll NEVER vote for her". And therein lies the rub. These are NOT people committed to returning the White House to Democratic control. Their only concern is getting their messiah into office. If Clinton were to win the nomination they'd stay home and wouldn't vote. If they can't have their way, they'll hold their breath until they turn blue and stay home, rather than vote for the "evil" Hillary. :sarcasm:

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad they're being drawn in to the Democratic process, but they need to realize that ANY Democrat elected to the office of President is FAR better than any Republican. But their loyalty to the Democratic Party begins and ends with Obama.

On the other hand, if Obama wins the nomination the Hillary supporters will still turn out in droves to elect a Democratic President. They're more mature voters, many have been voting for decades, and understand the practical political necessity of returning a Democrat to the White House. They're DEMOCRATS, not star-struck fans of a charismatic candidate.

That's the difference between many Obama supporters and Clinton supporters, as I see it. And I don't think I'm wrong about this, as is evidenced by the OP's plaintive damnation of Clinton supporters who have been "mean" to their neophyte Obama acolytes.

Suck it up kids. If you think Hillary supporters are "mean" and make you cry, just wait until the right-wing attack machine starts in on your young Mr. Obama. They'll drive you into the loony bin. Talk about people who are "mean" and don't fight fair? :rofl: If you can't take the heat, stay the hell out of the kitchen because it's only going to get a lot more rough from here on out.

I'm a Democrat, and will vote for whoever our process anoints as our ultimate candidate. Can, or WILL, the Obama supporters say the same? No, I thought not.

[NMMNG]

383. I wish I could recommend this post

Well stated.

[bunnies]

453. Another one that didnt bother to read the thread.

good job. :thumbsup:

[NMMNG]

459. They read the thread fine

You just didn't like their response. Boo hoo.

[libbygurl]

423. Perfectly put. Thanks. nt

[bunnies]

454. Number 3 responding to a poster that didnt read the thread.

CLUE: Some of the kids I sent here were for "your girl"

[libbygurl]

467. Incorrect assumption on your part. I did read the thread. Argument of....

...CT still holds.

[libbygurl]

469. And so who's responsible for the nasty stuff posted about...

...'my girl'? The HRC supporters?

Please, this post is just so hypocritical - you yourself have participated in the word brawls.

[bunnies]

452. If you had bothered to read the thread...

which you obviously didnt... you would know that NONE of the kids I sent here were posters. You would also know that many of them were Hillary supporters. Oh no. Dont read the thread. Just run your mouth.

[ClintonTyree]

470. Stop whining.....

I read the thread. Just because you didn't like my answer you continue to run YOUR mouth (or fingers).

You can't be right all the time, Bunnies. Or is that another harsh truth you'd rather whine about as "not being fair". :eyes: You're one of those people who apparently is NEVER wrong and has to have the last word every time.

Grow up. Politics isn't a feel-good, kumbaya activity. Obama supporters are equally culpable for the current slime-fest appearing on the pages of DU. Toughen up or step aside so your delicate sensibilities don't get hurt. And stop whining. :cry:

[SteppingRazor]

10. Yes, clearly people who cry have no business being involved in politics.

:popcorn:


(Oh, c'mon dude, you walked right into that one. :P )

[rodeodance]

65. ah--they were faking the tears!!

[SteppingRazor]

77. Clearly -- cynical bastards!

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

87. Their timing was so good!!

[Clintonista2]

113. Hey, there's nothing wrong with crying in politics

There is something wrong with crying because the "meanie on the internet" was rude.

[rodeodance]

142. maybe serve them up some kool-Aid--

[Bluerthanblue]

12. does saying this somehow make you feel better?

It shouldn't.

That is bush-like behaviour.
Bully-arrogant-never wrong.
peace~

[displacedtexan]

In their 20's.

Crying?

Sounds like they're too sensitive for partisan politics.

[bunnies]

52. In their 60's.

Crying?

Sounds like they're too sensitive for partisan politics.

[book_worm]

29. you're kind of like one of the people the poster writes about

you do no favors for your candidate, but who cares. I'm sure it's not your purpose here to help the Dem party in the end anyway.

[cottonseed]

79. This from the Crymama campaign?

nt

[incapsulated]

101. lol, no shit!!

I thought you Obama supporters spit on tears.

[okoboji]

98. yes

I'm really kind of shocked that these 20 year old "kids" could pry themselves away from their cell phones and stop text messaging long enough to actually visit this web site to get their feelings hurt.

[cottonseed]

109. Had enough metamucil today?

Bashing an entire generation of new Democratic voters isn't what I'd call regular.

[Clintonista2]

119. Mike... is that you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk3pSiOqSwU

[SoxFan]

258. Damn them with their rock and roll and hula hoops

[DutchLiberal]

270. Yeah, and don't you hate nasty Bill Haley who's putting wrong ideas in their heads?

:rofl:

[SoxFan]

288. It's that Chuck Berry who'se trouble

[DutchLiberal]

289. Oh my God, won't somebody think of the children?!

[rucky]

132. ...

[GirlinContempt]

400. hehe

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

144. trying to supress the vote again?

didn't that happen in Nevada too?

[1corona4u]

157. That's what I was thinking.....

they need to grow some skin....

[Clintonista2]

189. College kids crying because of what they read on the internet...

How sad.

[whatchamacallit]

163. Hmm...

;)

[LaurenG]

247. You say that now because you are full of yourself but when

we get to November you will be begging for votes for any democrat because the alternative is McCain. It's really not OK to be mean.

[SoxFan]

253. Right, there's no crying in politics

[Clintonista2]

265. Read my post above. There's nothing wrong with crying in politics

There IS something wrong (with you) if you actually cry because of something someone said to you over the internet.

[Icyclemort]

256. unbelievable arrogance

I am one of these new voters (not one of the specific ones mentioned by the poster, but in general)!

And you are dismissing this out of hand in such a rude manner?

Its common decency and being polite. Apparently something we younger people now have to teach those older than us.

*shaking my head*

have a nice day,
i dont think i have one.

[Clintonista2]

266. First of all, I'm probably not older than you (I'm 19)

Second of all, people who cry because of what somebody said about their political candidate over the internet, are truly pathetic.

[Icyclemort]

278. its about being polite

I wouldn't call someone pathetic (even if i thought he was), unless he clearly deserves to be called out for it. (G.W. Bush jr. comes to mind)

(And BTW, i don't really think the original poster meant that they actually cried tears. I read it as a metapher for their reaction in general and after reading the board the last few days, i thought really hard about registering. I only did it, because i thought that some more people had to try to inject common sense, politeness and friendliness into this - democratic - debate )

And, as a general rule, don't make fun of people's emotions.

[Clintonista2]

283. Ummm hello?

This is the same forum that has brought us such hits as:

"Clinton let Osama go"
"Did Hillary murder Vince Foster?"
The Random post full of photoshopped Hillary pictures (this one pops up alot)
"Clinton is a whore"
etc

Sure, when I came to DU, I was polite too. Try spending a few months here, and you will understand why people act the way they do.

[Icyclemort]

287. why did you adopt?

I won't. I am not here to single anybody out. I'll call it as I see it, all the time.

Everything you mentioned above is despicable. (The first might be something I'd let sbd. post, although I'd argue against it. The rest - imho - is cause for a warning/ban)

If you thought they were impolite, why did you turn out the same way?
If I get fed up and am on the brink of descending to these levels, I'll quit and don't stick around.


Nice day.

[RaleighNCDUer]

445. No, those are all FR posts.

Must have forgotten where you are.

Over here we dislike Hillary because we are progressive left, not troglodyte right. We object to her positions, not her existance.

I've NEVER seen anyone here call Hillary a whore, except as political whore - a term that is non-gender specific to anyone who votes by polls.

Repeatedly saying crap like that is exactly what pisses me off about Hilbots (as opposed to Hillary supporters, many of whom are very nice people who do not promolgate myths).

[progressive_realist]

325. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

I agree with you that making fun of people's personal reactions crosses the line from partisan bickering into just plain being a jerk.

[Stardust]

357. Welcome with all my heart. Well said, Icyclemort. nt

[Mags]

300. Come on, grow up, you are old enough to vote, and get down

with the political stuff, so grow and get ready to face the real life. It ain't a piece of cake.

[Deja Q]

319. Oh, come on. They're just doing what Hillary has done (twice)!

[AX10]

326. Obamanation is feigning outrage...

yet again. They are trying to make us feel guilty for no good reason.

[Sapphocrat]

336. Hey! No way!

They don't get to co-opt "faux outrage"! That's ours! Teh Gays!

:rofl:

[psychopomp]

334. Way to miss the point... or are you just trolling?

Either way, get bent. :nuke: :thumbsdown:

[Name removed]

375. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LanternWaste]

417. I have little doubt...

I have little doubt that you have a rather exhaustive list of who "shouldn't be voting anyways."

[YOY]

429. Sorry but every citizen should vote

Regardless of your, my, or anyone else's standards.

[RaleighNCDUer]

443. Damn right.

Stick up for the bullies. They're people, too.

[Buzz Clik]

2. You sent someone to DU? What the hell for?

DU is usually just a small step above Cesspool, but for the past months it's been way below that level.

What were you thinking?

[bunnies]

4. believe me.

I wont make that mistake again. At least until primary season is over.

[Dogmudgeon]

40. Now we have some bipartisan agreement!

"DU is usually just a small step above Cesspool, but for the past months it's been way below that level."

:pals:

But you owe an apology to the Cesspool Manufacturers, Installers and Technicians of America.

--p!

[Whisp]

64. you're right. I would Never recommend anyone come here.

in this caustic climate.
not a chance.

[Jane Austin]

88. Me, too.

A few years ago I suggested someone come here and she registered, and then drew back appalled at the meanness here.

My husband doesn't know how I can read it. He thinks half the people here are BFN.

[Whisp]

122. there was a thread here a while back - about a school

blocking access to DU.
well, the censorship screams here were quite loud.

but comma sense says it was just because of the language here, nothing else.
I'd never let my kid post or read here, that's for sure.

Hope things get back to some normalcy soon.
but I have a feeling the divisions have been so carved in, things will remain changed.

[Kaylee]

197. I was going to post the same thing....

It's sad. I've been a lurker of DU for years and remember when it used to be a nice place for me to come and find out the "facts" that may not have been presented in the MSM. But recently, I can barely stomach coming to the site because of the ugliness...unfortunately, my morbid curiosity as to how low levels can sink on this once stellar site keeps me coming back. I would never recommend DU to anyone.

[RedEarth]

305. I agree...........

I'd never recommend anyone come to DU...... many of the responses to the OP is a prime example of why.

[blm]

3. KandR - they have no really good argument to keep the status quo so they smear YOU

This is typical of sociopathic powermongers. Typical and assinine.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. Agreed. It is tragic being called names by those "sociopathic powermongers"

[blm]

17. glad you 'get' it.

pass it on

[rinsd]

5. Your 1st mistake was sending anyone here.

GDP is not for the genteel.

And considering I have had Obama supporters screaming at me and my fellow HIllary supporters (some of whom left in disgust) for more than a year now about our for her, I can't say I can muster much sympathy.

[bunnies]

25. When I first finally joined here (after years of lurking)...

It was totally anti-Hillary. I know. And I dont blame you. It was ridiculous then and its ridiculous now. I agree with you.

[rinsd]

38. While I was a little snarky, I am a bit sorry that your friends had that experience.

I am sure it was unpleasant.

This week I put a dozen people on ignore...from both sides!

[Josiah1982]

6. LOL, that is actually kinda funny

:rofl:

[bunnies]

11. Glad you think so.

Down with Dems eh?

[Bucky]

34. See, you already found someone you can put on your "ignore" list!

Low post count, rude manners... Clearly this is someone who wants to harm the party, so click this button

[Josiah1982]

36. no just down with your crybaby friends eom

[Name removed]

71. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Clintonista2]

20. I agree. This thread gave me the giggles

[Laurab]

269. You and your posts are enough to make an undecided

decide against your candidate - are you 12?

[AZBlue]

293. How pathetic.

[Andromeda]

367. No it's not.

.

[incapsulated]

13. Listen, bunnies

I have had to read Hillary is the Anti-Christ, Bush and Apocalypse for a fucking year.

Put on your big girl panties and deal because this ain't nothing compared to what Mr. Obama will deal with should he get the nomination and have the repuke destruction machine working against him 24/7.

If their commitment to Obama is deflated by some crap on a message board, they will be completely crushed by a national opposition swiftboat campaign.

[bunnies]

37. The point is that on a "Democratic" board...

they shouldnt be made to feel like the enemy. They expect this shit from freepers. Not DU'ers.

[incapsulated]

53. Hey, where were you the past year

When Hillary was crucified 24/7 for shits and giggles?

[bunnies]

74. I address that upthread.

Both are bullshit.

[chimpymustgo]

68. Karma is a bitch, ain't it. The biggest bullies are whining again...

nt

[rodeodance]

72. tell em to BUk UP and stop WHINing--enough of that from the some obamacamp!!

[BlackVelvet04]

73. And I'm sure they were just all sweetness and light.....

time to grow up. If they are anything like the other Obama supporters they can dish it out but can't take it.

[bunnies]

84. These KIDS didnt dish ANYTHING out!

Dont you get it?! :banghead:

[BlackVelvet04]

106. What I get is you are trying to shame us for not babying

a bunch of kids who think they know it all. Politics is no place for kids.

IF YOU CAN'T RUN WITH THE BIG DOGS STAY ON THE PORCH.

[butterfly77]

150. I'll drink to that...

[bunnies]

154. Bullshit.

All Im saying is that young Dems dont deserve to be demonized. We need the young people to stay in power. Or doesnt anyone understand that anymore?!

[BlackVelvet04]

165. We need the young people to toughen up and realize

nobody owes them a damn thing....they have to earn it.

[jberryhill]

361. Like, say, health care

Heh, just kidding. Don't shoot.

[BlackVelvet04]

168. I actually tried to have some conversations with some of these

paragons of virtue, young people, but no they didn't want a civil discussion, they wanted to be smart assed and get in a mud slinging contest. I obliged them.

[bunnies]

198. You know...

the funny thing is that while some of the people I dragged into politics are Obama supporters... there were just as many Edwards and Clinton supporters. Sure. Some of those kids are stubborn little pricks. But just as many are not. Are you willing to lose the ones who are not because of the ones that are?

[BlackVelvet04]

206. I'm willing to lose the one's that can't deal with the real world

of politics.

[Little Star]

170. I agree BV. If they are going to act like O-bambi's and keep

whining, that the rest of us should shut up, so the children don't hear both sides tough luck! This is no game. This nomination is serious stuff for our country.

[RaleighNCDUer]

447. No, the idea is to shame you for replying to their

"I love Obama" with "cultist!" instead of with "Why?"

They come here for political discussion and get accused of being mindless drones. They come here as Democrats and are called Moonies.

If you want to convince them to back Hillary, ask they why they support Obama. Then, answer their answers with counter-arguments.

Doing otherwise just means you are a Hilbot and a bully, who doesn't really give a fuck about the Democratic party.

[smalll]

193. That's right! They didn't post and get flamed: They looked at posts and cried! /nt

[BlackVelvet04]

233. and the 35 year old husband thinks half the party hates

him....but they aren't out of touch with reality. :eyes:

[bunnies]

235. dont rag on my hubby thank you very much.

If you have a point to make... do so with me. But dont rag on a new Dem. Please.

[BlackVelvet04]

240. Hey, you're the one that brought him

into this in a move to try and shame us for not coddling the youth.

If you want to have a real discussion without the histrionics of your original post, I'll be glad to. Just let me know.

[NashVegas]

330. Allow Me To Put It This Way

You don't get to control what hundreds / thousands of people on an anonymous message board are allowed to publish.

You don't get to decide what's legitimate expression, here.

You have no business attempting to shame people for writing things the admins will allow.

If you don't like it, get some financial backers, hire some coders, and build your own internet community where you make the rules.

[Josiah1982]

128. You reap what you sow

[bunnies]

214. I didnt sow any hate. Prove me wrong. nt

[Sapphocrat]

130. "The point is that on a 'Democratic' board..."

"they shouldnt be made to feel like the enemy. They expect this shit from freepers. Not DU'ers."

Uh-huh. Agree 100%.

Mind you, having been made to feel like the enemy myself every single election cycle ("Teh Gays lost us the election! Teh Gays! Teh Gays! Teh Gays!"), my sympathy for your thin-skinned little friends is... let me see... ZERO.

I won't even get into how eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil y'all have made me out to be since I switched my support to Hillary. Y'all didn't mind so much when I was backing Dennis, 'cause y'all knew he didn't have a chance of challenging The One, didn't ya?

Tell your little buddies to grow some skin if they want to play politics with the grown-ups, 'cause they ain't seen nothin' yet.

[emilyg]

261. I didn't see you defending Hillary.

[Marrah_G]

393. The problem is you see ONLY the poo-flinging that comes at you

I would have been right there with you if the post was aimed at the poo-flingers from both sides.

But you chose to make this a pathetic whine about how the evil other side is being mean to all the angelic supporters on YOUR side. And you even added cutsie little insult names for the other side, but that it okay because it's aimed away from you, right?

[Bluerthanblue]

46. this is no excuse- young voters are also

vunerable- and CRITICAL to the survival and hope of this country.

I'm pretty sure they expect this kind of shit from the oppostion.

But to be inflicted with the kind of crap that is thrown around here, by people who claim to share the ideals of the Democratic party- that should upset them- It should upset all of us- on all sides of this screwed up primary.


peace~

[incapsulated]

69. If they want to be involved in politics

They better grow up and fast.

Because these are love taps compared to what the GOP has in store for them.

That is REALITY. Not speeches and rallies.

The *reality* is we are fighting a radical right wing who have been busy stealing elections and shredding the constitution the past seven years and they will do their damnedest to destroy whoever the nominee is.

DU is nothing.

Find a supporter forum if you want to inspire each other.

This isn't the Obama forum or the Hillary forum.

It's a rather notoriously hostile primary knifefight forum, was last primary, worse this time, as expected.

[Bluerthanblue]

no, this isn't politics- and this isn't acceptable- and I've been

here and seen a lot of really ugly times.

This primary takes the cake- without question.

I can't say that I personally have behaved in ways that I'm pleased with either.

There is NO excuse for the kind of shit that goes on around here.

People are using this place as a way to get out their rage and frustration, and a hell of a lot of it has absolutely nothing to do with this campaign.

We aren't going to need the GOP to shred our candidate- It is being done here, on a regular basis- a daily basis, by people who claim to be "better-than "them"- but who act like complete assholes.

I've had need to apologize on this forum before- and have done so. I'm not proud of it, but I can't deny my own responsibility.

peace~

[incapsulated]

209. Please, are you new to this forum?

I still have PTSD from the last election.

It's a bloodbath, always was.

But I tell you what, it's meaningless at the end of the day compared to what the GOP does to our candidates in a GE.

And if reading crap on a message board about a politician makes you cry, I really wonder where you have been the last 7 years.

I don't care if you are a college student, I didn't cry over stupid shit like this when I was 21 and frankly, it is nauseatingly hypocritical to call out "Hillhounds" when she has been on the whipping post on this forum for a solid fucking year.

[Bluerthanblue]

223. no- I'm

not new to this forum or to DU- I lurked after the selection and became a member not too long after.

I actually have real diagnosed PTSD- so I'm not ignorant, naieve, or innocent by any means. (you are free to PM me if you want proof)

I also don't excuse inexcusable behaviour- Under any circumstances.

You cannot use your own "tolerance" for verbal abuse as a measure for others. And while I completely agree that there have been terrible things said by people who claim to be "Obama supporters"- the IP isn't about them- pointing to someone else and saying "yeah- but look at what they did" didn't cut it for my kids when they were very little- it doesn't cut it with me when adults use it-

We aren't discussing what "they" did- we are discussing what happened to some young, excited voters, who came to DU to discuss politics. And I don't doubt that they recieved some terrible, and in-excuseable replies. We should take this as a wake up call- all of us.

I'm not among those singled out by the IP and I feel ashamed- ashamed that this board cannot be 'grown-up' enough to argue about issues without resorting to childish, bullying and personal attacks-

I KNOW we are better than this.

Accepting anything less, is not doing anyone any favors- I think you know that.
:hi:
peace~

[lastliberalintexas]

341. Hell I'm still recovering from 1988

It was tough being in Texas and supporting a nerdy brainiac wimp named Paul Simon!


Oh and, back then the mean things were said straight to your face. We didn't have the internet to present things anonymously...

[butterfly77]

145. You said it all..

[BlackVelvet04]

14. They would never survive what the republicans would do

to Barack then. We've tried to tell you guys it isn't all sweetness, unity and feel good shit, but you wouldn't listen.

[incapsulated]

18. Amen. n/t

[bunnies]

62. See post #37. This isnt freeperville.

Its DU for fucks sake.

[druidity33]

306. there are people

on this thread that are sickening me. How can someone be throwing out hate toward bunnies fer crying out loud. Bunnies are so cute and cuddly and fuzzy.


In all seriousness though, DU has been an anarchic mess for about a month now and if you had visited at length recently, you would have known. You should have warned those kids that there are some serious assholes on this board. I take everything here with a grain or two of salt.

:shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. hey Obama people are just as bad.....how about a kind word about their behavior

[Aviation Pro]

16. Do we really need to quote Truman here?

Seriously, this isn't a Green Day concert with a mosh pit. This is politics, the second oldest and dirtiest profession on the face of the Earth. My advice to the newly indoctrinated, "bring a big lunch kid and grow some epidermis, this isn't a bake sale."

[Dogmudgeon]

54. "The second oldest and dirtiest profession on the face of the Earth"

The first has got to be academia.

--p!

[Aviation Pro]

57. Uh, no.....

....

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. So, you sent 5 people over here to post Obama love spam & they

got called out? Too bad so sad.

[bunnies]

43. None of them were posters yet.

They were lurkers. nice try though.

[The_Casual_Observer]

55. They looked at posts & cried?

Tough bunch those Obama supporters.

[smalll]

136. "They looked at posts and cried"? LOLOLOL!

"None of them were posters yet. They were lurkers" So not only did they look at posts and cry, they were so distraught, they PICKED UP THE PHONE to call someone to cry to about it! FOUR of them just today!

Hey, Obamatrons! Can I get you some straws?

So you can ... suck it up?

[Josiah1982]

156. LOL

:rofl:

[NoPasaran]

399. Good thing there's electronic voting

I'd hate for someone to get a paper cut from a ballot!

[rodeodance]

81. There is training camp out in CA that might help--all about feelings for the new obamababies.

[bunnies]

102. It must suck to be so constantly filled with hate. nt

[rodeodance]

107. no not at all--I love little bunnies.

[Josiah1982]

151. fricasse of rabbit is quite delicious but you need lots of bunnies to make a big stew pot

I once went to a restaurant in Kentucky where they specialized in rabbit meat dishes the place was called "watership Down" (the sign said: 'youve read the book now EAT the characters'). Best damn rabbit stew I ever tasted.

[rodeodance]

I love rabbit stew--soak the meat in vinager overnight to get rid of the 'wild' taste.

[Josiah1982]

167. It's really tasty and yes the vinegar helps to get the gamy taste out

I don't know why some people don't like it, but I think it's cause they haven't tried it.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/24/rabbit_narrowweb__300x419,0.jpg

[rodeodance]

177. thanks--love the photoes.

[Catchawave]

211. Oh, Oh....now DU is pissing off PETA too

I'm a member :evilgrin:

[BlackVelvet04]

158. It must suck to think that everyone OWES you something and

to find out they don't. I'm not your momma. I'm not here to make nice with a bunch of naive kids who think this is a game of goosebumps, chills and chants.

[bunnies]

239. I dont think anybody owes me anyting.

And I dont need another "momma". Ergo: Gomama? No thanks.

[TexasObserver]

21. It's the politics of OLD not ready for the NEW

They realize their time is almost over, and they don't want to let the next generation take over.

I'm a boomer, but I know when it's time to hand over the future to someone who isn't two steps away from drawing their Security Security.

It's time for the next generation to take over. We can't keep the party alive and vibrant with the AARP Democrats in the driver's seat. Time to let the under 50 crowd take over.

[BlackVelvet04]

92. Yeah, they've really proven they can handle it.....

you EARN the right you don't get it handed to you. That's part of the problem...the attitude of entitlement. Social security doesn't mean dead and if you think it's time to step aside it probably is...for YOU.

[misslauren66]

321. If you're so put off by airs of entitlement...

why would you support someone who reeks of them? (see also: riding hubby's coattails; New York State carpetbagging; manipulating Michigan/Florida primary rules; "inevitability"; etc. etc. etc.)

[smalll]

152. They were just lurkers. (Look above.) They LOOK AT POSTS AND CRY.

They LOOK AT POSTS AND CRY, then pick up the phone to make sure someone hears them crying! They are sooooooo ready to "take over." So ready.

[lastliberalintexas]

344. It is the politics of old

Politics is mean, dirty and nasty. And if some of you people think that posting messages on an anonymous internet board can be bad, I would just advise you to never actually work for a candidate or elected official. Hell, I've been called things straight to my face that I couldn't post for fear it would be deleted, and yet people on this thread are acting like the Clinton supporters have turned the nice Candyland game of politics into something dirty. You people must have skipped out on your government and history classes.

[elixir]

22. Pardon me?!!! ARe you kidding?!!! Obaminations are the people posting gross pictures etc.

[Cameron27]

262. Disgusting freeperville pics at that.

I've never seen anyone of the "loved one's" supporters have to confront that shit.

[zabet]

23. Tell them not to be disheartened

by the uglier side of Politics. Just
see it for what it is and do not take
what some one posts on a message board
to heart.
Kudos to you for working to bring youth
to politics.

[Dogmudgeon]

24. Cry me a river

:nopity:

We endured months of the same anti-HRC screed: "She lies! She cheats! She'll do anything to win!" And a thousand people showed up to keep chanting it -- in unison. Same phrases, same words, at a rate of 200 to 300 per day per Obama supporter.

So tell me again how you get people active by trashing candidates (and their supporters) you don't like. Or is that how you define "optimism", "hope" and the unity Obama pays lip service to?

Again, the Obama strategy of WAM (Whine-Attack-Moralize) is in play. I'm happy that you have brought so many people into politics. Now stop the character assassination against the ones you disapprove of.

--p!

[Bucky]

26. If you want your hubby to support the Democratic party, keep him off the internet

I wonder if this is the work of undercover freepers, trying to undermine would-be Dems one poster at a time. Certainly the cesspool quality of the GDP experience is a turn off. Could this be the purpose of a few smarmy vets of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders, to cause trouble and turn just a few of us off politics for good?

Whatever the case, remind the man that the internet is not America and working for change is not the same as posting online.

[geek tragedy]

27. The Internet is awful for politics.

A virtual toxic waste dump.

[bigbrother05]

28. What a shame

that this message is lost. Way to go people.

[BringBigDogBack]

31. Good post.

And let me just add my "fuck you" to all of the Hillbots (not supporters).

Can't wait till this bullshit is over, and most of them are flushed.

[BlackVelvet04]

190. And a merry

fuck you to you as well.

[elixir]

33. How many times can you use the word "fuck" in a post?Nice mouth, camp counselor

[Clintonista2]

47. LOL

[bunnies]

66. A lot fucking more than I fucking did.

Fucking A. Thanks for fucking asking.

[Justpat]

425. Watch your fucking language, you little furball.

Think of the baby bunnies, fer christs sake.

[incapsulated]

172. I will never, ever diss anyone for using that word

We may support different candidates but as a foul mouthed woman, I will have her back on this.

Fuck. One of my favorite words.

SINCE I WAS A FUCKING KID.

:P

[BlackVelvet04]

35. This is exactly one of the reasons we don't

want Obama as a candidate.....if you can't handle the heat how do we know you will show up to vote at the GE? You illustrated that point quite well. Thanks.

[incapsulated]

50. Exactly

A bunch of kids who don't have a clue how ruthless the repukes will be to their hero and how nasty real politics is. It's not a pep rally.

If anything, they will understand why we laugh at his talk about holding hands across the aisle by the end of it.

Growing up sucks but you better do it fast if you want to be involved in politics.

[BlackVelvet04]

60. Yep......I'm not here to pamper a bunch of kids who

think it's all about chanting and goosebumps.

[bunnies]

82. Im not talking about myself...

did you even bother to read my post? These kids were excited to be involved in the process. Not anymore though.

[incapsulated]

90. Did we send them here?

No. You did.

I wouldn't send anyone new to politics to this bloodbath.

[BlackVelvet04]

173. And they wouldn't have been after the republicans finished

and then they wouldn't have shown up for the GE and the Democrats would be sunk. The youth vote is NOTORIOUSLY unreliable, so do forgive us if we aren't all tingly and excited about turning the future of the Democratic party over to a bunch of kids who need their daily fix of pep rallies and chants to keep up their enthusiasm.

[cottonseed]

86. Yes, cynism and insider politics always win the tough elections.

[Occam Bandage]

39. Agreed. They're despicable.

[Solon]

44. What the fuck!

Seriously, :wtf:

You expect sympathy?

:rofl:

[K Gardner]

45. I never EVER send anyone to DU.. NO ONE. Why would I want anyone who is new to voting or

new to the democratic party to read this bullshit? I understand your frustration ! This is no better than Free Republic right now. I can take it because I can flesh out the "news" and hit back at the b/s. But it is a SHAME that a board with such potential to reach thousands of democrats and indies and new voters is allowed to dissolve into total crap. I do not understand why the moderators or admins allow it to continue. The damage to this board may be permanent, IMO.

[countingbluecars]

78. You may be right

about the damage being permanent. For me, at least, it will never be the same.

[lastliberalintexas]

348. I almost did in 2003/2004, but then decided against it

And he was a friend who had political experience in the real world, and yet I still worried that he wouldn't be able to take this place with the way the primary wars were going. I can't imagine sending anyone new to politics to a message board of any sort.

I doubt the damage is permanent. 2004 was pretty bad, too, and the board eventually rebounded.

[tnlefty]

354. I understand better why my oldest took the DU sticker off of his

car. He refers to DU now as a "cesspool in the middle of a war zone." I was going to pay for his membership and got a "no, thanks".

The attitude toward young democratic voters expressed in this thread is appalling to me. He doesn't particularly care for either candidate, but I realize that we have to bring younger members into the party.

Young dems expect nastiness from the other side, but they aren't expecting it from within the party that they're trying to learn in and are looking for guidance not vitriol.

[K Gardner]

390. I was all excited about my DU bumper sticker, but never put it on my car because

I was afraid people would actually COME here and get totally grossed out/turned off. That's a shame. Agree completely !

[Coexist]

48. .....

:hug:

[bunnies]

:hug: thanks FLDem.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

49. I never send anyone here, especially the young

[rodeodance]

51. Oh--i am sure they were just fake tears!

some of them IN TEARS over the shit they've read on this board.

[bicentennial_baby]

56. This is why when Sniffa told people about DU at the Obama rally,

he told them not to come here for a good while, b/c it's so ugly.

:hug:

[rodeodance]

58. Sounds like a new batch of Obamababies are melting down. Buch UP!

[nonconformist]

59. In TEARS?!

Politics are tough, dog eat dog. If they can't handle the slightest bit of criticism now, what the HELL are they going to do when the Republican smear machine gets going on Obama? Hope?

[rodeodance]

97. There is a tear in my beer~~

[TheDeathadder]

61. I could easily say

thank god it was what they read from Clinton people than what they could have read from Obama people. This mud is getting so thick.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

63. During primary time - this board is only for hardened veterans...

n/t

[NMMNG]

67. I'm sorry

I'm just an old, low educated, racist, religion-hating Hillary voter. Would you expect anything else from me?


In other words, you and your minions have been dishing it out just as bad so don't play the victim here. I've been called every name in the book, as have other Hillary supporters and non-Obama fans. We've been raked over the coals by some Obama supporters for having the audacity to not support St. Obama. So don't you dare whine about your hurt feelings and crying friends. I have no sympathy for them.

[goldcanyonaz]

91. Amazing, isn't it? I'm like WTF!!!

:wtf:

[NMMNG]

185. They love to dish it out in cauldrons

But they can't take even a ladle-full.

[Uben]

Why would a person make such a post?

If I had invited some young Clinton supporters to DU and they read GDP, do you think I would be sorry they didn't like what they saw?
They would probably be shocked as much, if not more, but if they said they wouldn't come back to DU, it wouldn't break my heart. I guess it's because I am a seasoned democrat. I have been thru a few of these elections. Feelings are definitely not the first things considered when some are composing their thoughts here. That is why I use the ignore feature. You should have explained that part of it to them.

[NMMNG]

138. That's the difference

Between people who are in a political campaign and a people who are in a feel-good revival. The former expect nastiness and can deal with it, the latter believe it's all going to be affirmations and get their feelings hurt if anybody says "boo" to them. But some here still can't see the difference.

[NashVegas]

327. People Who Use DU to Campaign Are the Ones Pissing In the Pool

Both by positive and negative campaigning, IMO.

Only a fool would seriously consider DU a testing ground for their campaign; too many trolls, too many uncontrollable factors. I think a lot of people started out trying to use us for positive campaigning and when they meet resistance, started having fits.

Then you have the assholes who go straight into negative campaigning here.

People have demanded primary talk be contained to this forum because they know it stops thoughtful conversations dead in their tracks.

The only way to have a genuine discussion about a candidate w/out a flame fest is in the individual forums.

[NMMNG]

329. I tried to keep it positive at first

But after being called names, told "get over it" and having my genuine hurt/anger dismissed as "faux outrage" (among other things) by a cadre of nasty individuals I gave up and started fighting fire with fire. I can't say I'm proud of everything I've said here but I'm not going to take the crap lying down.

[NashVegas]

335. There Ya Go!

I have no sympathy for most of the Obama kids. Many were obnoxious as soon as the campaigns began in earnest.

No one had it worse than Dean supporters in '04. Many of us had been on DU since year one and nobody had any idea of the punishment to come. I lay the blame directly on people who were active campaigners who couldn't separate their duty as a campaigner from their DU community obligations.

For this year, no one can say they weren't warned in advance.

[bunnies]

127. I have not dished anything out.

Furthermore... I dont have any minions.

[NMMNG]

183. "Hillhounds", for one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4462647#4463575

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16. Why not?

Yesterday I read they *wanted* to work for free per DU's camp hell errr, I mean Hill.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4463471#4463605

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9. Hillary Clinton - Mindfucker.

Perfect! For once - we agree!





You aren't one of the bigger offenders but you're no innocent so don't pretend you are.

[Cameron27]

271. The hypocrisy's so thick

you better throw on waders before you click on some threads.

"Yesterday I read they *wanted* to work for free per DU's camp hell errr, I mean Hill." The OP's an f'n joke.

[NMMNG]

280. Same shit, different day

They want to dish it out but they don't want to take it.

[TwilightGardener]

70. This is the rough and tumble of politics. Toughen up!

[Jed Dilligan]

75. Obama supporters attack the candidate,

Clinton supporters attack Obama supporters. That's the pattern I've seen.

[goldcanyonaz]

85. I see just the opposite, imagine that.

[Jed Dilligan]

93. Hillary supporters are so cult-like they take attacks on her personally

[goldcanyonaz]

108. Still down over the loss to Hillary in California, huh?

[Jed Dilligan]

116. The Democrat won in my town.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

149. you mean to the DLC? that is funded by Big Oil and War contractors

cause a loss to Hillary is a loss to the DLC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

[Solon]

104. I've seen Obama supporters attack GLBT people myself...

Not candidates, not candidate supporters, but an entire group of people. They frankly disgust me. :puke:

[Jed Dilligan]

125. Link? Hillary supporters attack young people in general

in almost every thread in GDP.

[Solon]

160. The difference is that young people aren't beaten to death or kicked out of their homes...

for just being young. Somehow I KNEW you would try to deflect this shit, I just knew it. Fucking disgusting. Oh, and here's but one recent example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4412025

ON EDIT: If you want more, I have even viler shit, most from well known DUers as well.

[Jed Dilligan]

191. ?

Are you talking about the OP or something downthread? All I see is an insinuation that Gavin Newsom, whom I loathe btw, is a conservative double agent in our ranks. (My disgust at the SF mayor doesn't have anything to do with his gay marriage stunt, by the way.)

The people attacking the young would be attacking blacks too if they dared.

[Solon]

195. OK, that makes sense!

The whole "young"="black" thing. :eyes:

BTW, I'm no Hillary supporter. She's no better than Obama, to not put too fine a point on it.

Did you even see the Mod lock on that thread, and yes, the reference is to the OP.

[Jed Dilligan]

196. The racist posts get deleted, not locked

[Solon]

201. Not all of them...

They would have to be obvious, or really over the top, whether in language, like using the "N" word, or really attacking someone for their race. Some of the ones that are subtler end up getting overlooked, usually posts displaying insensitivity to black people.

[Jed Dilligan]

203. That's true

I really loathe all the "I just can't put my finger on why I don't trust him" posts.

[Solon]

210. I can put my finger on why I don't trust him...

He's an asshole who panders to homophobes.

Hillary is an asshole for the same, and for IWR, etc.

[Jed Dilligan]

221. Well, as long as you're aware of yourself

I was undecided until the Rezko thing--unforgivable racial shit-stirring, IMO--which, combined with all the young people I know suddenly being into politics for the first time, made me support Obama. I think the odiousness of a few Hillary supporters on here, the ones that sound like autotext and don't even seem to have read whatever they're responding to, might have been a factor as well. I've seen Obama people making ham-handed statements and sticking their feet so far in their mouths they come out their ass, but they still seem like human beings.

The only thing that gives me any sense of Obama vs. GLBT is DU--it's not out there in the "real world" in my experience, and none of my gay friends are supporting Hillary or against Obama because of it. People are going to need to do a better job of getting it "out there" if there is any substance behind it.

[Iceburg]

126. Yup --- the Obama supporters have been vile toward the GLBT community here/nt

[incapsulated]

Hence calling us "Hillhounds" in the OP. Hillbots....whatever

Please.

[incapsulated]

174. Uh, read the OP. "Hillhounds"?? lol n/t

[NashVegas]

332. 'scuse Me, You Must Have Wandered Into the Wrong Thread

Surely you meant to post that in a different thread, one where the OP didn't start out with an attack on Clinton supporters.

[Jed Dilligan]

351. What attack?

[NashVegas]

404. Surely, You Jest

Or do you not recognize the OP as an attack - calling people names ("HilHounds"), swearing, and generally castigating them for not writing in the style he/she wants them to?

[Jed Dilligan]

430. I disapprove of the word,

but I wouldn't call "You people were so nasty to my friends that you made them cry" an attack. Calling people brainwashed cult members is an attack. Calling people out on their actions isn't.

This doesn't take into account the possibility that the OP is lying, but we're not supposed to consider that here unless someone posts a demonstrable falsehood. We're supposed to take each other's statements at face value, though generally we don't.

To me, an attack would be "you sHillbots are all shrivelled up old man-haters" or something along those lines--similar to the kind of stuff I'm used to hearing ("crybaby," etc.) because I support Obama.

[NashVegas]

435. Passive-Aggressive Is Still Aggressive

A post like the OP is something that's *intended* to make it's target *feel bad.* It's an attempt at emotional manipulation. IMO, such provocation deserves as severe a thrashing as one can lay on it.

It's not just "HillHounds." Obama supporters have pissed off backers of almost every other candidate on DU, just as their candidate has pissed off a great number of DUers.

When we see anyone attack a Democrat using RW talking points, we assume we've got a RW shill on our hands. In this case, the shill is another Democrat trying to get elected, and his supporters are so enthralled by his charisma they can't see that Very Uncool Thing he's doing. I call that a cult.

It just happens that Hillary is the only other Dem left with a slice of the pie worth mentioning, everyone else has bowed out. Otherwise, we could be / would be EdwardsHounds, BidenHounds, KucinichHounds, etc.

[cottonseed]

76. I agree, it sucks that their strategry is to stomp down voters.

Crushing new democratic voters and independents is their only way. Sucks that a once in a generation is opportunity is the object of ire of the Clinton campaign.

[goldcanyonaz]

83. Uh huh, what about all the insults to older voters around here?

[cottonseed]

94. They'll be incoherent in a few years anways - no lasting affect there.

nt

[goldcanyonaz]

100. And, most young voters will look back in a few years and laugh, or cry at how foolish they were.

[goldcanyonaz]

80. Are they crying about all the shit posted here about Clinton, too?

[Clintonista2]

117. No, they probably posted half of it. Notice all the pre-100-posts trolls bashing Clinton today?

[doc03]

89. Want some cheese with that

:cry:

[Scriptor Ignotus]

95. you're asking assholes to not be assholes

but if they listened to you, they would no longer be assholes. and since they are assholes, they're not going to listen to you. know what i mean?

There are asshole Obama supporters to; sometimes I'm one. haha. But seriously, this site really sucks right now. Only Skinner or maybe Will Pitt have the gravitas to get people to quit this shit. About 2 weeks after we pick our nominee things will pipe down a bit.

[judaspriestess]

96. tell them to suck it up

and get a backbone

[Catchawave]

99. DU is the last place I send new "recruits", it took me year of lurking

before I got brave enough to post :silly:

You send them to the many wonderful pro-Obama blog communities, I posted a good one in the Obama forum....One Million Strong?

DU is not for noobs to the political process. It's for hardened political junkies ready for a bar fight :toast:

[aka-chmeee]

103. And imagine the disillusion when they discover (should Obama

be elected president) that none of the serious problems we face are intimidated by the prospect of being beaten severely by "hope" and are completely impervious to "optimism" "eloquence" or anything else Obama has thus far offered.

[JVS]

105. Face it. These swine don't want people to be involved. They want their dynasties to call the shots.

[Nimrod2005]

111. Well said....nt

[BlackVelvet04]

115. You're wrong........

we absolutely KNOW what is to come if Obama gets the nomination. And when that happens and all of the feel good shit isn't in the forefront the kids will disappear and we'll be screwed at GE time.

The OP is a great illustration of exactly what many of us have feared and known would happen.

AGE AND TREACHERY TRUMP YOUTH AND ENTHUSIASM.

[JVS]

118. You don't KNOW shit. And your treachery isn't a fucking virtue.

[BlackVelvet04]

134. I've forgotten more than you know........

Real enthusiasm doesn't have to be pumped up with chants and it doesn't deflate when faced with opposition. I tried very hard to warn you guys but you were just so fucking smart you knew everything.

[butterfly77]

159. You tell'em Black Velvet!

[BlackVelvet04]

232. .......

:hi:

[JVS]

281. oh yeah because you've had such a successful party for the last 40 years

[Sapphocrat]

323. "You"?

"you've had such a successful party for the last 40 years"...?

Hm.

[JVS]

363. I wasn't around back then.

[JVS]

282. There's no fool like an old fool

[Sapphocrat]

324. There's nothing like a know-it-all punk. n/t

[JVS]

365. A know it all geezer is not much different.

[Sapphocrat]

371. The difference between you and me, kid:

I know I don't know it all. The older I get, the more I realize how much left I have to learn.

Try it sometime, this getting older thing. You're going to be kicking your own ass, hard, for having such a rotten attitude toward those old geezers you're going to end up agreeing with.

Now back to your regularly scheduled let-them-eat-catfood remarks. That's one you're really going to regret having said someday.

[rodeodance]

187. "face it, I am older and have better insurance than you do"

[incapsulated]

213. lol, classic.

:D

[rodeodance]

217. that was a great film!

[BlackVelvet04]

245. I need to get that and watch it again. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

244. Kathy Bates played the part well.....

I've been told by my friends that I'm the Olympia Dukakis character from Steel Magnolias. Just another smart ass uppity woman. ;-)

[BlackVelvet04]

231. ROFLMAO

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:evilgrin:

[Name removed]

286. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rodeodance]

137. Face it: At lleast we do not have train camps teaching volenteers to be

cult-like volunteers!!

[NoPasaran]

110. You're simultaneously complaining about "Hillhounds" AND the lack of civility here?

What Ever

[Maddy McCall]

311. I noticed that too.

[Guava Jelly]

112. Jesus fucking christ!!! Not the OP but the inhuman snarky childish

responses from hateful immature babies who are harming Hillary more than helping her..
What if Mrs Clinton wins the nod?
Your assholery may have just lost her 5 votes..5 needed votes...
Not just that..You may have just turned them off of voting in future elections.
We can debate and disagree but do you have to be a bunch of hateful childish freeperesq assholes?

And you people call yourself liberals..:eyes:

[NoBorders]

124. Especially the poster who got a giggle out of it. nt

[rodeodance]

147. mine was a belly laugh. what a bunch of wimps--Obama can keep them

[rucognizant]

384. I agree

As a grownup: ( "wizened old hippie to some on his board")I am saddened & disheartened. I too have been trying to get young people interested in participating in the democratic process for the last 8 years. This is NOT the way to approach it.
On BOTH sides.
WITH this kind of behavior we are DOOMED!

[marlakay]

114. As an older person writing here

and having been on this board for 3+ yrs I just ignore the stupid posts but your right the new ones don't know about this.

DU has changed alot since I found it in early 2004 on Michael Moores site. I am not sure where I would send the newbies until they toughen up a bit but I wouldn't send them here now unless you warn them that right now isn't the time to see the best of our site or dailykos as primary wars are going on and people are passionate about who they believe in and some of those people are being stupid and saying things they don't really mean.

If you do send them here tell them to stay in one of the candidates thread that they are for or even Keith Olbermans thread, all good loving people there.

[butterfly77]

169. The point is...

a lot of us have been on DU for a while posting about the Bushit, and we are not letting anyone tell us to take a chance based on just HOPE. Some of these people don't know half of the shit that Bushco and the republicons have done. These republiCONS are insane! and some of them have been posting on these boards and have started a lot of the BUSHIT..

[Harry Monroe]

405. I totally agree

"If you do send them here tell them to stay in one of the candidates thread that they are for or even Keith Olbermans thread, all good loving people there."

In other words, they should stay in the kiddie pool or at least in the shallow end until they learn to swim.

[sniffa]

120. I'm with you

I've given up for the time being, inviting any new members here.

Sometime later I'm going to put together a rant (speech?), but directed to Obama supporters. Keep an eye out if you will.

K&R btw.

[BlackVelvet04]

121. PS

If WE can suck the enthusiasm from the Obama fans then all they had was a bunch of short term feel good feelings from a pep rally. Substance doesn't disappear when opposed....."pumped up" hope and enthusiasm do.

[Guava Jelly]

133. That is your opinion

and they are like assholes..everybody has one.

[BlackVelvet04]

135. LOL you're point is? n/t

[Guava Jelly]

146. My point is

Try being an adult here.
Do you really think Hillary Clinton who I plan to vote for if she wins would approve of the way people are acting in this thread?
She is a good person
Obama is a good person
Many of the children responding to the op make me ashamed to call myself a democrat...

[BlackVelvet04]

162. LOL This is the adult world, baby......

suck it up or move on.

[Guava Jelly]

184. I am fine

If this is the Adult World..You need to start acting like one..
spit out the Hateraide

[BlackVelvet04]

207. No hate involved....

get a new meme.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

268. Where does all of this bitterness come from?

It's almost like you're pissed because someone had a little optimism about something...

[Catherine Vincent]

123. I suggest you leave DU immediately!

Thanks.

[goldcanyonaz]

140. lol!

:rofl:

[madmom]

129. If they were new to politics maybe you should have told them to read up on

all the candidates and yes even here on DU and let them make up their own mind instead of feeding them pablum and making them think every thing was going Obama's way. If you are going to be an informed voter you have to read and hear it all and then make up you're own mind or you're just goose-stepping.If they're crying about something they read here are you sure they're old enough to vote?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

139. Yeah, I Mean, The Obama Side Has Been So Fucking Civil. What A Crock Of Shit.

If you're gonna curse people out, then don't be so disingenuously selective about it. If you're gonna take such a tone, then direct it at ALL the people who have ruined the discourse on this board, not just those who support the candidate you don't like. Cause that makes you a fucking hypocrite and it makes your message empty. If you are so blind to the vitriol that some on the Obama side are spewing that you don't feel any anger should be directed towards them for the way things have been in GDP, then I truly feel for you. It is the tone of discussion in GENERAL that deserves such a rant; not Clinton supporters. The fact you limited your message to only them makes your message nothing more than a bunch of bullshit.

And no one called you crying. Give me a fucking break. And if they did, well then shame on you for your lack of judgment in thinking they had a thick enough skin to engage here. I mean what; were you under the impression that GDP was all fucking hugs and roses? Have you been in a fucking cave or something?

[Guava Jelly]

155. I have been

You shouldn't lump all Obama supporters together like that..It is a form of bigotry and a shortcut to thinking
I don't think all Clinton supporters are childish assholes.
I think there are a few who are..Many have posted in this thread.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

164. I Didn't Lump Anybody Together, So I Don't Know What The Fuck You're Talking About.

[Guava Jelly]

179. the term the op used "Hillhounds" was wrong

I hate childish nicknames.
And I hate that a few dozen folks on each side are acting like assholes to each other.
Obama supporters aren't acting like assholes...A few individuals who are obama supporters are acting like assholes.
And quite a few Hillary supporters in this thread are acting like assholes.
I have many friends here who are voting for Mrs Clinton and I treat them with respect..
this shit is getting old

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

277. No Kidding. But I Never Said Otherwise, Like You Claimed. n/t

[incapsulated]

243. I approve of this rant. n/t

[bunnies]

455. Ive said many times in this thread that ALL bullshit is bullshit.

I used the Obama example because it was freshest. I dont need or want to have a battle that puts ALL Clinton supporters and ALL Obama supporters on different sides of the fence. And I find it incredibly disturbing that so many in the Clinton camp want to do that.

Again. Many of the kids I sent here were NOT Obama supporters. But hell... maybe you're right. I'll introduce them to the bush/clinton love of the one-world government. Thatll harden them up quick enough.

[butterfly77]

141. Thank you!

Now maybe they will open their eyes to the real world. It is better that they know what they will be dealing with from the republicons now than to believe that they will win only on hope.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

143. send them to www.OpEdNews.com and they will quit crying

also, get them to go to the Obama website and sign up for blogs and groups.
He has a great website.

http://www.barackobama.com/

and don't forget www.opednews.com

they will love that!

oh and www.huffingtonpost.com

[Bluerthanblue]

148. I'm not a "Hillhound"- but I

would like to apologize for the way I have behaved here at times.

I can't offer any excuse, because there is none. I know better, and I should have the self control not to act like I do at times.

I wish I could send a peace offering-

The thing I wish I could say to your Mr. and to your young friends is- while I can understand their reaction, I hope they can re-group, and not let this experience have too much power over them. We are nothing more than a group of human beings, emboldened a little maybe by the 'annyomous' nature of the internet, who sometimes forget that our words and actions do have repercussions that we don't think about.

And that their voices are needed, and wanted here- Even if you need to use the Ignore function on most of us.

:blush:

peace~
blu

[Bread and Circus]

153. Evil needs to spread to survive...it's a disease.

[mtnsnake]

161. Only a fool would ever send brand new Dems to DU during primary season. You should be ashamed!

I don't blame them for calling you up and I hope they balled your ass out but good. Shit, if I was a fledgling Democrat and I came here and saw the belligerance and vitriol of people like yourself and some of the other Obamaites, I'd be upset, too!

If you REALLY did send all these fledlings here during Primary season, they're probably all pissed off at you and the rest of the Obamaites for acting like friggin lunatics!

I think what you're really mad about is that they've all decided to switch to Hillary after listening to you and the others :smoke:

[Barack_America]

171. Don't worry bunnies, they're on their way out...n/t

[rodeodance]

180. serve up some carrots with that rabit stew

[VolcanoJen]

175. bunnies... please read....

Thank you for your rant. It was necessary, and I'm glad you cleared the air and got it out there. The way you're being crucified in this thread is something I'm sure you expected. Sadly, it is what it is, isn't it?

DU turns toxic during primary season, and especially this one BECAUSE IT IS THE NEVER-ENDING PRIMARY SEASON FROM HELL. It's a much nicer place to be when we're all united fighting the GOP, but when we turn our aim on each other, well, people just honestly lose sense of all that is good, don't they?

It's wonderful that you're working with so many people new to the political arena. That's wonderful!! And don't stop! The key to Obama winning this thing are the young voters he reaches so well, so please, please don't stop your fine work.

In the meantime, though... I don't think I'd tell anyone to visit DU. I get a kick out of taking a nightly cruise around Hate Block, but it's not for the weak-kneed. If you want to introduce voters to other activists online, during primary season I think I'd point them toward the blogs. And for discussion, DailyKos.

Offline, there are so many amazing ways for progressives to meet up. We have a rockin' Obama group here in Cincinnati that meets for cocktails and strategy and poll-watching! And there's the wonderful organization called Drinking Liberally... even if you don't imbide, it's really such a fun way to meet local progressives and talk this stuff out in a more meaningful way.

People are far more inclined to be hateful toward one another when they are hiding behind a keyboard. In person? Not so much.

At any rate, thank you very much for ranting today, and I support all that you're doing. I also agree with your sentiment about DU lately... but the poison pill is moving its way through our system and eventually, we'll all find a way back to each other and bring this bitterness right to the door of John McCain.

:hug: bunnies and mrbunnies :hug:

[incapsulated]

204. Also thank her for calling us Hillhounds and cursing at us

She is such a positive example of non-partisan love and lack of bias or hypocrisy I can't imagine how she tolerates us.

[VolcanoJen]

She's pissed, in case you haven't noticed.

From what I got out of her post, this isn't about you.

[incapsulated]

236. No, it's about HER

And her sending people here so immature that they cry to her about a fucking message board and we "Hillhounds" should be SO ashamed of ourselves.

This wasn't any cry for unity, it was a ranting, insulting call out of the OTHER supporters, like we invented this shit.

Fuck this noise.

[VolcanoJen]

249. Have it your way

My post was to bunnies. And I'm with her.

[smalll]

176. They were lurkers, not posters. They looked at posts and cried.

They also felt a fiercely urgent need to pick up the phone to cry to someone it. (I really hope none of them "cut" themselves over this.)

For me personally, this thread is beginning to show signs of challenging "I Don't Drink With You" for the title of Best Thread Ever.

[burythehatchet]

181. Hillaroids are acting up again, I see.

[smalll]

215. I'm truly flabbergasted at these kids the OP describes,

I don't know what to say except, these aren't the ones we've been waiting for!

[Straight Shooter]

242. LOL! "These aren't the ones we've been waiting for." LOL again! n/t

ETA: Recommending for your post alone :)

[burythehatchet]

178. Thanks for the post. Keep it up, Hillary Clinton's ability to divide

is surely legendary. I am amazed that through her keyboard commandos she can cause so much harm. Bottom line, they reflect her like a mirror; a sense of entitlement run amok. There is a positive to this, while many of her supporters were clearly identified as douchebags before the primaries, some other have shown their bare asses and I am glad to know who they are.

[Lucinda]

182. Sorry...But why would you send anyone into GD:P during the Primaries without warning them?

Lots of other parts of the site would be great for newbies right now. General Discussion, LBN, the Obama Group....I just can't wrap my head around sending them into a war zone without a warning.

[goodgd_yall]

276. Exactly----I certainly would have

or not even recommended DU.

[jillan]

186. But it's okay for you to cuss at us?

Yeah - that's a real great example.

[rodeodance]

192. Recall how Bush lectures the congress all the time?--Characteristic of many Obamababies

[bunnies]

216. Oh please.

Look at all the replies telling ME to get a thicker skin. Now suddenly to all those saying Obama supporters are mindless cultists, "cussing" is offensive?

[burythehatchet]

188. Get the terminology right please: It's Hillaroids. Same effect as

hemorrhoids except they can go on the internets.

[Perry Logan]

194. Just be glad we weren't mad, honey-bunny.

[tigereye]

199. they should feel good about the process no matter what they read on DU

I'm still politically active and optimistic and I'm a moderator.


DU is only one small part of political process. Tell em to take a deep breath and keep working for their candidate.

[Catherine Vincent]

202. You used the f word five times.

Some mentor you are.

[bunnies]

219. I never claimed to be a mentor.

And if you cant handle the word "fuck" how will you handle what the R's will do to the Dem nominee? Isnt that the argument of all those defending the positions that I refer too?

Come on? "Buk up". Get a thicker skin. Right?

[in_cog_ni_to]

220. Maybe you should have informed your 20-somethings they should not be rude, act like spolied rotten

brats, be sure to argue the issues, POLITELY, don't attack the candidates, don't attack other posters and if it gets to be too much, JUST LEAVE! No one is making them stay here.

Poor babies. Did they cry about all the RUDE and NASTY Obama supporters too? The Obama supporters who helped me to decide to vote for Hillary?

I was wondering where all these rude people were coming from. Now I know.

[Kaylee]

224. Ummm....they were lurkers not posters.

[in_cog_ni_to]

416. So, THEY weren't flamed...just other

Obama followers. I see. They expect Hillary supporters to accept all the Hillary slime posts and not dish it back? How naive.

[smalll]

225. Read the whole thread. These kids didn't even post! They were lurkers!

They weren't flamed, they just looked at posts and cried! Then called someone up to cry some more about it!

[in_cog_ni_to]

413. Ohfercryingoutloud.....poor babies.

I wonder how they felt about Obama posters saying, "Bush has more honor than Hillary!" or maybe, "Hillary is a fucking BITCH!!!!" or "Hillary is a FUCKING Liar!!!!"

I guess they missed those posts.:eyes:

[Radical Activist]

222. That's the Republican strategy.

They win by making sure the average person is disgusted with politics and doesn't get involved. Apparently its the Clinton strategy too. That's why she went negative after Iowa.

[Straight Shooter]

227. Buck up.

Try to imagine what it was like to support Carter in East Tennessee when Reagan lovers were everywhere. I didn't whine about how they hated me, I didn't tell them it was unfair. I campaigned for him and voted for him.

And I never cursed at them, either. But you stay classy, lady.

[JKaiser]

230. politics isn't pretty... Still they cried...that's lame

There are Obamaniacs on here too.. lol...

[1awake]

234. Let me ask you a question...

Did you really think some of the people on this board are going to give two shits about anything beyond their own thoughts and feelings?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

237. Frankly, you're all acting like brainwashed idiots and cultists

This is as bad as or worse than the Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean scuffles of four years ago.

All the candidates I actually LIKED are gone, and what I see now is a bunch of cheerleaders who are acting like high school Heathers toward the other side.

[BlackVelvet04]

246. You don't get what's it's about either......n/t

[ileus]

238. Hillary 50 states in 2008, enjoy voting for McCain in November.

[girl gone mad]

241. "Holier than thou" bullshit.

Both sides have been equally repulsive. Maybe sending a bunch of wet behind the ears kids here to post messages has contributed to the general level of immaturity.

[1awake]

251. Agreed...

both sides have been. I will take exception about the wet behind the ears kids lowering the general level of maturity... it was already pretty damn low.

[557188]

250. I cried

I cried that Obama cult members were too stupid to vote for actual progressives like Kucinich, Gravel and Edwards. Instead they get caught up in a bunch of creepy hype and refuse to look at the real issues.

Obama is no progressive and it makes me cry that so many people call him one. Hillary is more progressive than Obama.

And, christ, those kids probably shouldn't even leave the house or something. The Republicans would do A LOT worse.

[knixphan]

273. progressives are out of the race

Hillary and Barack are centrists, let's be honest, Dennis was the sole progressive in the race. Hillary is a hawkish centrist and Obama is a dovish centrist, but we will ALL have to band together to get the dems a COMMANDING majority in congress if we want anything progressive to happen in 2009 and beyond.

[Yael]

254. K&R -- Sorry that happened.

We have a lot of asshats here who type without thinking.

I have to wonder if this is a lot of people's first election (and they realize that there can only be one winner).

[Qanisqineq]

257. and I'm sure there are Clinton supporters that could say the same

really, the shit from both sides is disgusting. I read shit from Obama fans that is every bit as disgusting and Obama fans that just don't stop. Have your friends read those threads? I'm sure they got a kick out of them and didn't cry about the vitriol there.

[LittleClarkie]

259. You're an adult, and this is a playground

The level of discourse in some of these threads would not be out of place in a grade school.

Even now we have people here making fun of the "crybabies". I haven't heard THAT one in 35 years.

[emilyg]

260. Tell them to cry when the repugs get a hold of Obama.

Silly post. Perhaps their immaturity is showing.

[L0oniX]

263. Well I guess that puts them with Chris Crocker ...huh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

[creeksneakers2]

264. Some advice here needs contradicted

DU won't go back to nice after the primaries. The rest of the time its full of Democratic Party haters who argue with Democratic Party supporters. There's idealism versus pragmatism too. That becomes a really nasty one.

[stillcool]

272. We are all a product of our environment...

maybe you can view it as a life lesson in how we got where we are today. This is what has passed for political discourse. This is why a new generation needs to add their voice..to drown out the belief of the inevitable and the requirement to do things as they have always been done. Page after page, comment after comment, has been a huge learning lesson for me. This is who we have been as Americans. The lack of respect to any human being that has opinions that differ from their own. It explains a lot, doesn't it? Perhaps it is the trickle down effect.

[knixphan]

275. indeed

One day maybe we'll start growing...

[stillcool]

284. We just need more of this...

“The future will not belong to those who sit on the sidelines. The
future will not belong to the cynics. The future belongs to those who
believe in the beauty of their dreams.”---Paul Wellstone

[goodgd_yall]

274. All I can say is, you shouldn't have fed the poor innocent lambs to the lions

This is no place for the faint-hearted.

[bridgit]

279. My sense is that you were less than forthright when info'ing your loved ones...

and they you care for most, that politics (perhaps especially as it is 'practiced' here) can be seen as less than a pretty sight and assuredly there may be a day certain when having a thick skin will be seen as your/their asset :thumbsup:

I've worked allot in the theater, and have seen more than a couple run from the stage sobbing with face in hands while boo's & cat-calls bounced off their backs. It's sad to see how cruel some can be...but I've seen as well the boo'd upon splash a little cold water on their faces, pull themselves up, pinch their cheeks rosy anew, and traipse right back out there on-stage with a waving smile from ear to ear :)

It is my further sense that fresh, young, Hillary supporters just might feel likewise reading the hurtful opinions of Obamatrons here :shrug:

[ToughLuck]

285. Hey bunnies, don't worry, Hillary the polarizer will not win :)

[GalleryGod]

290. Good Rant. Also,helped to "smoke out" 19 more people to put on IGNORE

:rofl: :spray: :rofl:

[northzax]

291. what your young friends need to understand

is that this is all a game. There are only a few rules, and the stakes at the future of mankind. There is no one to tell you how to play, none of them know any better. All you can do is play according to the dictates of your own personal god, knowing what the stakes are. You can't take this seriously enough to have your feelings hurt, it's not that serious, it is much, much more serious than that. At the end of the day, the rich will still be rich, the poor will still be poor, undeserving children will still die in stupid wars, so has it ever been. Life's a bugger, and all you can do is try and make it a little bit better for those that come next. On the day after either candidate wins, we will all forget our differences and team up against the greater wrong, and anyone who doesn't get that really should avoid this place and all others like this.

This is not about you, this is not about me, this not even about the freepers, it's about all of us. If one or two comments, however nasty, turn you off, perhaps another hobby is in order, go home and let those of us who actually can handle it play the game. Go back to the minors, you aren't ready to be an adult about this.

[angie_love]

292. Some of the hillary supporters on here are absolutely VILE

They've been saying the most wretched hurtful things to Obama supporters recently and they're disgusting. They must hate their lives so much that they live to tear down others b/c they favor another candidate. They're as conniving as their candidate.

[Tarc]

339. As are some Obama supporters

I've had to hold my bile several times reading your posts around here, for starters.

[angie_love]

347. thats funny b/c I did the same for you, no where are my posts as wretched as yours

[Tarc]

360. About what I expected

[HopeforChange]

294. Thank you for this post

Someone needs to create a separate forum for candidate bashing. Any bashing on this discussion board should redirected to the place where you people experienced in used FOUL UNACCEPTABLE OBSCENE languange can bash each other. I was called words I can't repeat on this forum and I am very disturbed by it. I have done my share of candidate bashing but I do not use the foul language that I see.

PLEASE CLEAN UP THIS PLACE

[AZBlue]

295. Sorry your post turned into Assholes on Parade.

Then again, as several others have mentioned, this made it easier to find them and put them on ignore.

I hope they saw that it's just a bunch of immature jerks and NOT the overall tone or atmosphere in politics in general.

[RedEarth]

301. It sure did......sadly it's nothing too unusual for DU

I'm bookmarking this thread so I can go back and update my ignore list...it's growing by the day.

[AZBlue]

309. It makes me sad.

When I compare what this site used to be like to what it's like now. And it's not just because of the primaries as some would say - it's changed.

I've added several to my iggy list just this evening! I love that little red X.

[tomreedtoon]

296. Destroying hope is an important part of politics.

It is for the Republicans, and guess who picked up that thread?

I always believed that Clinton never wanted help, but obedience. And this proves it.

[Mags]

297. You need to grow up and your young friends do also.

Politics is not a game for babies.

[magatte]

314. Politics is NOT a game. It is what you fools have forgotten.

We are here to help people reclaim power and make sure that power represents the will of the people. (Government of the people, by the people, for the people).

If you feel that this a sandbox and it is just a game, then you should join the freeper camp, not DEMOCRATIC underground.

:peace out:

[SammyWinstonJack]

298. Are you kidding? LOL! As a Edwards supporter, I say grow a thicker skin.

Stop whining, it's politics!

[styersc]

299. Thick skin is a prerequisite.

Being called a "bigot", "establisment robot", "obstacle to change" is no picnic either, particularly for those of us who have been working at change and social justice for decades.

Hope your friends, and everyone else here, can start lookking at the big picture, much farther down the road than the convention or even this one general election.

[dailykoff]

302. Tears? Smears? Mission Accomplished!

Operation Astroturf is a huge success!

[BeHereNow]

303. It's called "bullying" and I'm sorry but not surprised.

DU has a fair share of bullies.
Tell your newbies to use the "ignore" button freely.

It's not surprising that Clinton fans follow the behavior model of their
idols, now is it?

BHN:hug:

[femrap]

304. boo hoo.

Yes You Can! Did you forget?

[mamameow]

307. so sorry!!!!

but F---ING SHIT happens. get over it. how do these posts get posted? yuck!!!

[ooglymoogly]

308. Oh a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down, the medicine go down

in the most delightful way. Now children after we have our kool-aid we are going to learn where China is on this great big map.

[Maddy McCall]

310. Why would you be so stupid to refer ANYONE you know in real life to DU?

I would have in 2003. I certainly would never do so these days.

[lxlxlxl]

317. Hillary is so tough and ready and sure of herself she is going to go back in time and win 2004!! RAH

When the republicans start talking about Monica, how is that going to work out for you?

[okasha]

313. Forty years ago,

their counterparts were getting their heads broken by Richard Daley's rioting cops at the 1968 Chicago convention.

Tell 'em to to get the hell over it.

[Miss Chybil]

315. I don't think DU is a good place for any of us. Imagine what Clinton

supporters think when they get here. Good job on getting out the vote! That's something to be proud of. Don't worry about DU. Just don't send anybody here any more.

[Yossariant]

320. Grow up.

[bunnies]

461. Piss off. nt

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

322. I already weighed in

But I thought I'd just sit down here and rest a bit.

*scratch*

*yawn*

These GDP threads are so big and roomy. You can park yourself anywhere and no one gives a damn. That's what I'm gonna start doing. Why I'm gonna do it, only I can say. And I'm not talking.

*yawn*

I keep thinking about an orange. It's what's for dinner but it's way in the back, in the kitchen. I'm afraid if I eat it I'll get sleepy, and I really should finish this project before my conference call tomorrow.

Or I could just submit it as-is and say, "This blank part you see on your screens, that'll be filled in with words before it goes to client." But that kind of joke is hard to pull off over the phone. Or so I've found.

Welp *stretch* I think I'll mosey off and peel that orange and look for a cartoon to watch while I eat it. Maybe you'll see me later in another thread. Lots of em around.

[Lilith Velkor]

352. You should rickroll 'em, dewd

Now I'm hungry for a banana. Ciao!

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

446. So I ate that orange.

I looked at other threads and even posted in a few but none of them are as puffy and fluffy as this one.

This is the kind of thread that an old lady could settle back in and feel billow all around her like a featherbed, soft and warm, muffling the sound of the screaming kids playing outside her window, letting her drift off and up and away. And when her family comes to wake her, she's gone.

http://unsanity.org.nyud.net:8090/brian/sunset1_1280x1024.jpg

[BulletproofLandshark]

328. All the negativity in this thread only proves the OP's point.

[cbayer]

342. The OP posted something so vile, it was removed. She proved her own point.

[bunnies]

456. WTF are you talking about? nt

[philly_bob]

333. A related point I made in another thread. I'm worried about newcomers too.

See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4447709&mesg_id=4471661

[Redneck Socialist]

337. Your mistake was thinking DU has anything to do with politics. n/t

[Tarc]

338. Um, good?

4 thin-skinned children just found out that politics isn't all milk and cookies.

Pick better friends.

[krabigirl]

340. I would advise them to get thicker skins if they want to continue to be involved in campaigns.

[a la izquierda]

343. Wow. The acrimony around here is astonishing.

I don't post much. I've tried, but it seems as though if you're not a regular, you don't get much attention paid to your posts. And lately, I get less aggravation listening to my brother-in-law's right wing nonsense. The hatred on here seriously scares me because of the deadlocked situation Democrats are in right now. I can only imagine what will happen when a candidate finally is chosen.

Republicans are going to eat these divisions alive.

[DemCam]

346. Oh, Michelle...i hear you.

What will it be like when we go to convention.
Can't you just see ol' gleam-eyed McCain saying,

"Well, my friends, we've got em now."

[McCamy Taylor]

345. Just what we need. More Hillary is a B word propaganda. Wanna add some Edwards is a phony, too?

If you can not take the political heat get out of the kitchen. I got involved in politics when I was five . That was how old I was when I watched my first Democratic convention. I understood why Goldwater was a good nominee for our party (and Rockefeller was to be dreaded). I knew who the hell George Wallace was and why he was rat bastard Democrat.

By the time I was 13 and McGovern was running for president, I was a seasoned political veteran.

I have no sympathy for these crybabies who decided to take their civic duty seriously in their 20s or 30s, and I will play no violins for them when they decide to stop paying the price of eternal vigilance that we all have to pay because their feelings got hurt.

Dudes, they would have been doing worse than bruising your egos in Chicago. They would have been busting your heads open.

Jeez. What a pampered, self satisfied, lazy bunch of whiners the Democrats have turned into.

[libbygurl]

382. Amen. Well-said, as usual, McCamy!

And the blatant hypocrisy of this post gives me the giggles.

[bunnies]

463. Way to not pay attention to one damn point of this post!

:thumbsup: If my point was to call Hillary a "B word" I would have. Talk about the language of 5 year olds. B Word. :rofl:

[DemGa]

349. Hey, that's politics...nt

[Cha]

350. I just put the suckers all on Ignore..

they add less than zero to anything. I'm sorry bunnies that the people you recommended DU to were exposed to such babbling vitrol from the hounds of hil.

[pingzing58]

355. You must be educating kids born with silver spoons in their mouths. I've had to fight to get heard

all my life. It's not new to many of us. Please give them this perspective. Fight for your ideas! Scream to be heard! There is no such thing as a free ride in politics, justice, equality, freedom and peace.

[2rth2pwr]

356. I call bullshit.

Is this the best you can do? At least post something that's credible.

[motocicleta]

358. How precious of your people.

I am undecided, but I find the Obamanation at least as vile as the HRC drones. It sucks that you had to field those calls, but don't think you're special for it.

In fact, you are the cause. DU is what it is, and it always has been, and you made a bad mistake recommending ignorant kids come here; you must now reap what you have sown. Keep your guilt to yourself, eh?

[Rowdyboy]

359. DU isn't for everyone....I've only recommended it twice in 6 years.....

and regretted it both times.

I enjoy DU for what it is. However I'm older and politically sophisticated enough to realize that most of what you see on DU is absolutely trash and meaningless politically. Over years you learn which posters are serious and can judge accordingly but I would NEVER recommend this board to someone new to politics who had a sliver of idealism in their soul. Its guaranteed to backfire on you.

[zulchzulu]

364. K&R

[Eurobabe]

368. You are taking this board WAY too seriously

use the hide thread, ignore user feature. And remember that Rush and his gang of thieves sent operatives over here to disrupt us. I have come to the conclusion that about 80% of the posters who are assholes are political operatives.

I can't say that I've always been so in control, but yesterday I woke up with a new attitude. Use the ignore user against newbies with no profile and/or low post counts to save my sanity.

Hang in there. And keep the hope alive.

-48

[CatnHat]

369. Saying all along

Politics is not for the "weak of heart". If you think about it; the Clinton supporters are a "strong" bunch of people trying to defend (to the most part) Hillary Clinton's name and integrity; while on the other hand, Obama supporters are either feeling victimized or just being disgustingly rude. I encountered more than my share, and I dished it right back.

Where I come from, if you stand up for a cause, fight for it.

Funny you clump all "young" people in Obama camp; most of the young people I know have already caught on to the lame hype; now going with Clinton. Yeah, you just might be surprised.

Obama and his supporters actually think they actually "cornered the market" with hope, change, hope, change, etc., etc. Said it before and I'll say it again, the "change" "hope" slogan is getting mighty old and tired; used when a candidate has nothing else. Lacks substance. Simple as that. It's no wonder Obama doesn't want to debate Clinton except the one in March. :hide:

Saw today the Obama campaign held a "rally" in a high school gym,giving out tee-shirts!!:rofl:

While Hillary Clinton taped a interview with 60 minutes. What does that say? Think about it. Move on with your cry baby rants to the Obama threads, there's plenty of them here and "cry" in your beer (that's if your old enough to drink) Cheers!
:toast:

[earth mom]

370. I can't stand either H or O! I want people to WAKE UP & see that you are supporting rethuglicans!

There is NOTHING liberal about either H or O!

Hell, Obama thinks * & Cheney did nothing "grave enough" to deserve Impeachment!

:wtf:

Killing a MILLION PEOPLE FOR A LIE isn't grave enough! Come the fuck on!

And that's just one huge beef I have with Obama.

But no doubt you will find a way to pretty it up and make excuses for your cult leader.

Sorry but I don't drink Kool Aid. :puke:

[mrbluto]

372. Actually more than Half.

There's Hillary supporters and Edwards supporters - so more than half disagrees with Mr. Bunnies about whether or not Obama would be the best candidate.

Loath is a strong word. We don't loath Mr Bunnies.

[William769]

373. Put your money where your mouth is.

Put up some screen names and we will look at their posts to see if the are the little angels you say they are.

So far for me this is just another fucking Obama whiner who's seems to have a problem with people muddling the coronation of Obama

I'm sticking to what I said till proven wrong.

[bunnies]

464. As Ive said many, many times in this thread.

They were but mere lurkers. Everyone has an opinion... but nobody reads the thread. Go figure.

[Crunchy Frog]

374. I'm getting very tired of the Republicans pretending to be Hillary supporters here.

Oh, and DU during primary season is the last place I would send ANYONE, let alone a young person new to politics.

[Marrah_G]

391. I'm getting very tired of the Republicans pretending to be Barak supporters here.

See how that works.... not nice right?

How about being part of the solution instead of part of the fucking problem?

[William769]

411. Just the facts.

She made an accusation now back it up. I think it's called put up or shut up.

[Marrah_G]

418. I'm confused- Your response makes absolutely no sense.

Are you trying to say that you have proof that Republicans are here on Du masquerading as Hillary supporters, but not as Obama supporters? Or is it that Hillary supporters must be closet Republicans and you can prove it? Exactly which "facts" are you talking about?

[bunnies]

465. B-A-R-A-C-K.

Talk about part of the PROBLEM. :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

376. Pay no attention to the negativity.

Let is bounce. Yes, we can. Believe it.

We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.

We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics...they will only grow louder and more dissonant ........... We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

* Barack Obama

[Apollo11]

377. Recommending DU is like recommending Crack Cocaine.

DU is a highly addictive and ultimately destructive time-wasting machine.

Those of us who are already addicted should be warning other folks to stay away.

I bet most of us here are socially retarded, metally ill and/or unhappy with life.

I am not trying to disrespect anyone. Just being realistic. B-)

[jedgarbauer]

379. Welcome to the World of The CLINTONS

LOL. You should of been around in the 1990's. They called it "The Politics of Personal Destruction". The Clintons have mastered it over the course of 20+ years and now you and your politico friends have seen it first hand. Welcome to the club!!!!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

380. Good Lord, why... WHY did you send them here?

I mean, I enjoy this board, but this is the last place I'd *ever* send someone who was just getting into politics. A sad commentary, but there it is. Hell, I don't even let my friends know I post here. They think we're all insane. And I think they're probably right.

[Bluebear]

394. LOL word!

[SHRED]

381. Politics is a "contact sport"

You obviously didn't warn them of the full aspects of getting involved.

"...IN TEARS..."???
You have got to be kidding me.
Now that is funny.


---

[demokatgurrl]

385. Please. You want to see bitter?

Go to the blog on Obama's web site. It's disgusting. If that is the result of getting young people excited about politics, I almost prefer the apathy.

And once they've drunk the Kool-Aid, there is nothing getting through, so relax.

[susankh4]

441. Here, here! The ageism is getting old fast.

As an interesting aside.... CNN reported this morning that the youtube "Obama Girl" made it out to party on Super Tuesday. However, she did not make it to the polls. She "wanted to" <sniff, whine> but she didn't feel well. Oh, yeah.... and her registration was messed up somehow.... yadda, yadda.... "Obama Girl", as it were, turned out to be the worst kind of stereotype about young voters. She didn't even make it to the polls *with Obama on the ticket.*

I wonder how many of these new voters, currently starry over Obama... will actually show up in November? After a long, tough fight with the GOP. A fight in which they will learn alot about their candidate that they don't want to hear. Will they show up? In places where there won't be rallies, caucuses, and parties.....

It's a question worth asking.

[Ganja Ninja]

386. Well you ought to know better then to send young people into

a war zone like the GDP forum. What were you thinking? And you know the nastiness hasn't been all one-sided around here so stop contributing to it.

[demokatgurrl]

387. Please. You want to see bitter?

Go to the blog on Obama's web site. It's disgusting. If that is the result of getting young people excited about politics, I almost prefer the apathy.

And once they've drunk the Kool-Aid, there is nothing getting through, so relax.

[Marrah_G]

388. They run right along side the pack of "Barack Hounds"

Let's try this..............

And no... Im not talking to all Obama supporters... just those whose single purpose is to suck every last bit of optimism from every Hillary fan. Hounds of Obama... you know who you are.

I worked my ASS of to get every young 20 something person I know involved in the political process this year. And as I now regret... I sent them all to DU. Now Ive gotten FOUR phone calls today... from young Hillary supporters... some of them IN TEARS over the shit they've read on this board.

Imagine being a young, enthusiastic, NON-politically hardened person and coming to a "Democratic" board only to be accused of being brainwashed, braindead, or in a fucking cult. They say "if this is what politics is about, I dont want any part of it".

I cant BELIEVE I have to fucking defend these asshole posts on DU. You know... you can call ME whatever the fucking hell you want. Im impervious to the hatred. But the young people new to the political process are NOT. And YOU with you evil intended posts have single-handedly UNDONE everything Ive tried to do to build our party.

So I hope you're fucking pleased with yourselves. You've taken young Dems who just voted in their FIRST primary and turned them into people as bitter as you are. And is it my job now to convince them to vote for YOUR candidate? Why? You sure as hell havent.

And then theres Mr. bunnies. Its taken me TEN YEARS to get him politically active. At 35 years old he just voted in his FIRST primary. NOW he has the impression that half the fucking party loathes him. Great fucking job Obama Hounds. You win. I know five people you've beat down.

End of rant.

See how that works? Both sides are doing it and you fucking know it. Somehow you are partially blind and see only the nasty attacks on YOUR candidate and completely miss the equal amount of POO flung from your own side.How about directing your anger at all sides. Then perhaps I would take your post seriously. Instead all your post is is yet another pathetic whine about how mean the other side is for attacking the Angelic supporters of YOUR candidate.

:eyes:

[mrbluto]

427. At least one side wasn't: Edwards

Notice that?

A plague on both the Obama and Clinton houses.

Neither gives me confidence either in their "electability"...

...nor whether they're going to PUNISH, not work with, not forgive, not forget, but actually PUNISH the people who have flouted the constitution, needlessly killed so many, and handed this country to corporate control.

If the next president doesn't do that then we'll be seeing that crowd and their understudies again and again and again - until they completely win.

No more mincing and whinging.

No more hand wringing and triangulating.

Time for spine.

Time to push back

Time to FIGHT!

[Tarc]

389. This is a perfect example of why we need an "Anti-Recommend" option

Users have the option to vote things they like up, but no option to vote the trash down. That way, the frnt page would be reflective of topics that all see as worthy, and not just the pet projects of one side or another.

[libbygurl]

422. I agree with having that option! Mods in on this suggestion? nt

[kdpeters]

392. That's exactly the point. Looks like the Clinton strategy is working.

It's not just the Hillhounds. It's coming from the top. This is the atmosphere that benefits team Clinton. This is deliberate and intentional from the candidate herself and carried out by surrogates. You're right that it doesn't include all or even most of her supporters. It does, however, include her, her husband, her campaign, and her associates. It's not enough to place the blame on "some" of her supporters or only the "Hillhounds". They are the symptoms; she is the problem. If she were running a different campaign, the "Hillhounds" would be pulling a different schtick. She needs to take the hit for how nasty it's become. It's her responsibility.

[murbley40]

395. I just recently chose to support Hillary,but..........

As a Biden supporter in my heart, I don't think you can blame the nastiness on Du completely on Hillary supporters. As an observer of both supporters until as I said recently,I believe it goes both ways. Obama supporters are as nasty with their words as anyone else if not more so. Neither group discusses issues enough for my liking. If you discussed issues instead of bashing each other or anyone else that should happen to disagree with you, it would be much more helpful to your candidate. And in my opinion, the bashing by Obama supporters reflect their youthfulness.
If you can't stand the heat, I would suggest that all of you turn down the flame.

[IsItJustMe]

396. You do know bunnies how easy it is to get on a message board and stir up sh!t. You do know, don't

you, that there are people getting on here, that have no intention of voting for BO or HRC, that are just here to stir things up and spread their hatred. Sorry, just keeping it real.

I think you should explain that to your friends. Seems like they may be lacking in critital thinking skills.

[nvme]

397. Nastiness is the norm

I kind of stumbled in to this place less than a year ago. I would like to characterize it as republican shit-head meanness, but its not. It is typical democratic behavior. As Dem's we feel our particular interest is the cause that all should rally behind and don't understand (or like) it when we fail to convince others to rally behind our banner. The Re pubs up to 06' rallied and didn't break ranks. They attacked the Dem's. They made destroying our platform cause celebre(pardon the spelling). That tactic is no longer working for the Re pubs. Somewhere we as Dem's figured that maybe this "Rovian"tactic might be useful. It's not. These "attack at all costs" tactic will weaken us.
During the last debate between Clinton and Obama it was evident that the 2 are excellent Candidates. I was impressed with their performances and I was most impressed with the fact that the 2 acknowledged that although opponents they will renew their acquaintances with each other once the process has settled. We as supporters should also "tone down the rhetoric".
After having listened and watched Clinton I was more comfortable with supporting her should she win the nomination. I still firmly support Obama. I also realize that there is a good chance he may or may not become president. Each candidate has a strong platform each has negatives as well. As supporters of our respective candidates we should highlight our candidates strengths. I hope that all supporters will stop the pettiness and hate-mongering, but i doubt anyone will take it to heart.
The nastiness needs to stop. It only serves to make a petty person feel smug and superior with out every really convincing anyone other than themselves that their candidate is best. It is strictly self-serving.
To you newbies like myself, keep the faith there are those of us who empathize with your wanting to participate and encountering demeaning assholes, don't let their mean-spiritedness deter you.

[KeSs]

401. As a young voter I agree

The Hillary supporters sound like a bunch of repubs......although none of them have been able to have any impact on my excitement for Obama.

[Harry Monroe]

402. Those "20somethings" have better grow a set of balls

If they think the stuff here at DU is bad, wait until the general election, when the Republican slime machine gets into full gear. If these wimps are the future of our party, I am not optimistic. They'd better grow some thick skin, and fast!!!

[nvme]

408. let me re-iterate

belittling besmirching and berating each other only shows weakness. you are right about the General Election. The re pub's are gonna throw all they got. we expect it from them. but must it always be " E tu Brute" from within our own ranks? we are just trying to get into the process? Thanks for the being the abusive father and justifying it by saying the world is going to be tougher than i am.

[Justpat]

420. Great point.

Well said.


:hi:

[Unbowed]

403. I agree. The nastiness and fighting has to stop.

It's serving only one person: John McCain.

Some "HillHounds" (your term) do go overboard. This sours many but mostly it hurts Mrs. Clinton because people associate the negativity with Clinton. There have been a few Obama supporters guilty of the same against HRC.

It all has to stop.

It doesn't help your candidate or your party (unless you are really a repuke troll).

It only helps John McCain and the Rethuglicans.

Now that we have a presumptive (don't you love that word...oh the irony) repuke nominee, we should confine ALL negative comments to attacking Mr. McCain, not each other.

That is unless, we want four more years and God knows how many more wars.

[EvilAL]

406. I can't vote

because I'm from Canada.
I'd like to see Barack win because I don't like the idea of a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton thing happening.
It doesn't really show change. Was Clinton better than Bush2? Fuckin' right, but so was every other one before him. The next?? ugh.

I see the fighting in here in different ways. It's good that people are so passionate about it, really wanting to make a change. Calling people names is pretty much par with message boards. I can't understand how someone would change their vote based on what someone on an internet message board says to them or about their favorite.

Fighting against your own side is good if it helps the right person get elected, for the right reasons. Get the shit out there.. the more info you have the better before making your decisions, sift through the name calling and find your issues, don't defend them rabidly, but question them and see what/if anything changes.
Don't let someone sway you because of what they say to you in a personal attack on a message board, decide for yourself. Admitting it makes it worse.. The ones that slam and do all the shit you don't like think it's working and turn it up a notch.

[GirlinContempt]

407. I really don't care what anyone else here has said.

I've cried after reading something on DU before. Actually literally cried.
Granted, it was aimed personally at me. But still. Words can hurt you. And discourage you.

I agree with many of the posters that this happens on both sides, etc. Few people are completely innocent.

But, I think it's fucking ridiculous to poke fun at these young people for being emotional while this whole thread is full of playground games. The whiny accusations of so-and-so started it, or they do it too! read like grade schoolers on the monkey bars.

If this thread even represented that HALF of Duers were sick and tired of this bullshit, they could stop engaging in childish rhetoric and make a change. Seriously. If half of DU just stopped engaging in this meaningless monkey poo flinging fest, stuck to the issues, were polite and treated each other like human beings, I seriously think the difference would be huge.

Sure, they'd have to put up with others being nasty and rude and not lower themselves to that level for a while. Sure, they'd have to learn to hold a civil tongue, do a little more research. But, think about it guys! You'd get to feel incredibly self-righteous, and with a REAL REASON too!

No one will listen to me. That's ok. I think, secretly, some people enjoy being nasty and engaging in flame wars over nothing and feeling victimized. But, I've always tried to post by the basic idea that I will not post to you anything I wouldn't say to your face in person. Tired and overused, I know. But, it works for me. I get in to fights, I say mean things sometimes, but I still try to engage people as I would in person.

Back to your game of tag. I'm done.

[Carni]

409. A message board brings them to tears?

So the HRC supporters did all that huh? Yeah right...

[MADem]

410. What a whiney, hubris-laden load! "Hillhounds??"

You toss that out without any irony whatsoever.

And then you want people to feel SORRY for you?

:rofl:

I don't think your post is factual, frankly.

You send "all" these tender young flowers to DU. And oh, WOE--FOUR--not one, not two, not even THREE....but FOUR of them call you up--this VERY DAY!!!! And "some" of them ....are (GASP!!!!)...... CRYING!!!!!!!!!

And--just in CASE the point isn't taken, let's gild the lily-- it's "DU's fault" that some THIRTY FIVE YEAR OLD who finally got off his sagging ass to vote has hurt feelings, too?

All because of those evil, all-powerful "Hillhounds," eh?

:rofl:

Cue CELINE DION!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrq3DFa7AxE

Let me haul on my hip boots, and hand me that big ole clothespin--it's deep and it stinks up in here!

I actually do hope you are "fucking pleased with yourself" too--because this is the most ABSURD, and in a sick, petulant, whiney, "poor-pitiful-MEEEE" way, the

FUNNIEST post I have read this YEAR!!!

[meegbear]

439. BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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[crispini]

412. Why on earth would you send a political noob to THIS cesspool?

:eyes: Your bad.

[sinkingfeeling]

414. One comment. Try watching your candidate, victorious from the California primary, being shot dead

on TV and then complain.

[Justpat]

415. I swear, I feel like I'm back in second grade.

Could this place get any more infantile?

Sorry I asked.


Listen bunnies, maybe you and your friends need to learn that politics is a game of passion
on everyones part and mostly it is an arena for political gladiators - they just wear
suits and pantsuits instead of loincloths.


Toughen up. Find out how you want to support you candidate and do it.

[mistertrickster]

421. Good post. Don't send anybody here during campaign season.

Those who CAN campaign.

Those who CAN'T get off their dead asses post here and ridicule those who can.

[Justpat]

424. .

:thumbsup:

[Beacool]

428. As a Hillary supporter, I have tried to stay away from DU for the last few days.

We who support Hillary are in the minority on this board and I'm sick at heart to see my candidate getting viciously bashed on a daily basis by so many so called Democrats. I see less hate for Hillary in the Freepers site, for crying out loud!!!!!

I'm sorry if some of the young people called you in tears, it's a shame that our political discourse has become so nasty. It's so virulent that I fear that unless both Hillary and Obama run on the same ticket, McCain will win in November. There's just too much bad blood between the camps.

Personally I'm up to the point that if Obama is on the ticket, but not Hillary, I'll stay home in Nov.

[cooolandrew]

432. This is why I always keep it positive tell them to use the Obama blog is best.

I grately appreciate the work you are doing, let's just keep the enthusiasm going for Barack and not be dragged down by negatitiy. We know what Barack truly means to people. Just keep our focuses and let's not come down in positivitiy, that's the trick to pull us in to confrontation. Our best option is to just not engage it and stay to threads that are for Obama. The ignore facility may help some posters.

[debbierlus]

436. Pretty sad to blame people on a message board for their lack of involvement & indifference

I have seen some pretty nasty posts about Hillary, as well. It doesn't go just one way.

And, if these kids can't take some criticism from a message board, we have raised a generation of pampered wimps. What you describe sounds immature, self-involved, and pathetic.

Sorry, but what you describe is a REACTION not the problem. I am shocked this gets so many recommends.

(And, man oh man oh man, if they can't take this - they are in for a rude awakening when the consequences of the Bush politics hit the fan...)

[Scott from Mpls]

438. Why the republicans are losing, and the Hill Hounds are attacking.

The repubs are enamored with the politics of 25 years ago. Some of the Clinton supporters are clearly enamored with the politics of the 90's, and we want to move ahead. You Clinton people (at least the ones who are willing to stoop to nearly any level of smearing, rancor, playing all your stupid little games like calling in and pretending to be republicans or independents to radio shows, and all the misleading little internet games you want play- btw you're really easy to spot) better understand this. When we showed up at our caucuses here in Minny with 200,000 democrats, comprised of a veritable army of Obama supporters, I can tell you the Hillary people here actually looked a little relieved. Here's you're gawd dang army democrats! Wake up. I can tell you at my caucus... wall to wall people... at my table of 6, I asked how many of you are new, all hands shot up (one independent), all Obama (our count in the room was 77 Obama 30 Hill). These are first timers, you are absolutely right, and we have an army of em up here, and we seasoned democrats have developed the skill of holding our noses while pulling the lever, these people have not. And if you Hillary people believe for one second they are going to fall inline behind the Hill, YOU'RE WRONG! Electing Hillary is political suicide with regard to our big turnout leads and the inability of the gop to excite their base. I keep telling you people and telling you that running Hillary and Bill again is political suicide. We may still win, but it will be alot closer. On Barack's coattails we might even get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. I've defended Bill and Hillary a million times, and I'm getting pretty tired of it. I'd rather talk about racism for the next six months if that what it comes to, than have to relive Monica Lewinski, the Blue dress, Whitewater, Vince Foster, the Clinton machine and on and on and on and on. Forget it. And you are NOT going sink our party down any further with all you're dirty tricks, like you've been pulling all throughout this campaign. Sure, I'd be the first one to grab a Hillary sign if we lose. But you'll have to beat us! You'll have earn this one. You can join our army, or get out of the way, because we are coming through.

[awaysidetraveler]

444. They're not HillBots, they're Republicans

[Bluebear]

448. Do you eat with that mouth?

:evilgrin:

[va4wilderness]

450. Yes, what this OP says is true..

not re. all the posts, but certainly a good number of them - on both sides sometimes. This kind of tone & this kind of condescension is not going to convince anyone; it's going to turn people in the other direction. And the use of lame-brained caricatures about both the candidates and their supporters (you know = cultist, hillhound, etc.) is going to nothing but hurt the Democratic party in the general election. Let's respect each other.

[plantwomyn]

451. If your 20 somethings can't hack DU

they need to grow up before they vote.
And I don't have to imagine being young and demonized because of who I support. I voted in my first election for McGovern!

[TheDonkey]

457. sHillbots have gone completely out of control. Obamamaniacs is one thing but this cult meme is

way overboard. No class and I'm starting to think I will never vote to Clinton is she is elected if her supporters are so deranged. I do not want to support someone with mojo like that.

[Deep13]

460. Can you explain his success without referencing his attractive personality?

Supporting someone because he is a charismatic figure who says all the right words is cultish behavior. Now, I don't want to overstate that. Obviously O. is not Jim Jones or Rev. Moon, but a lot of us are wondering just what his appeal is. I know he says great things, but a lot of us would like something more tangible than that.

[Deep13]

458. Who will think of the children!?

It's not my fault someone let the air out of your inflated idol.

[NJmaverick]

462. For Hill Hounds it's all about POWER

Not what is best for the Nation or the Party or even this website. They want POWER and don't care how they get it. Rove has to be proud that his traditions have not died.

[Meshuga]

466. It's your fault

for sending these kids to GDP. The GDP forum is the rectum of DU. Fart producing bacteria live in these parts. No matter how much you complain they won't understand the damage of their actions and attitudes. Instead they will mock you.

[ExPatLeftist]

468. Have we all gone mad???

I just read the replies in this thread and I am trying to figure out when logic, social decorum, and maturity all left us.

This entire website in the last few days has become one of the biggest and most prime examples of a pre-school sandbox I have ever experienced.

Hint to all of you jokers that are still loudly and rudely arguing that the "other side" is being... louder and more rude: It's both sides. About equally on "both sides", from my casual observation. (Please use this as a reason to start the same dead tired flame war again arguing who is "worse", I could use the irony.) And who cares anyway "who does it more". Maybe you could choose to try to post and live as an example of what you view as optimal rather than trying to squeak in at slightly less lame than those that you despise. Fighting about who fights more. Kindergarten.

The "So what, look what HE did..." BS is not only illogical, it is something that was unacceptable to most of us as preschoolers. For the life of me, I cannot comprehend how an adult could attempt excuse their own (or others') acts by pointing out another's slightly more severe transgressions.... Although it might be interesting to try that in court, "I know I'm accused of verbally assaulting someone, but I saw this other guy yesterday and he was really yelling at another guy!" Wow. That would probably win you the case.

But the most maddening of all is the fundamental fallacy (that is all too prevalent and accepted in our society today) underlying all of this: That somehow all supporters of a particular candidate share a mind. "The Hillary supporters said this!" "Obama fans said that!". No, wrong, Einstein. Like it or not, in REALITY a lone doofus sits at the root of every single post, not all supporters of your flavor of choice(or blind sheer hatred). We actually accept it today when people discuss how entire groups of people feel or what they think. "Democrats say...", The Iraqis feel that..." Bullshit. We are individual humans, not bees. Some of you brainiacs even take it so far as to imply that the candidate him or herself stands behind the postings, or at least that certain qualities of a candidate's "fans" (who are all, of course, identical in this warped reality some of you have created for yourselves) reflect on the candidate him- or herself, or are a result of that candidates (evil voodoo witchery) influence People even saying they "hate" the opposing candidate because of their supporters. And some people actually choose their vote based at least in part on the perceived attitudes of the generic imaginary image of a supporter for the candidate. If someone has a problem with a post or an individual, why not address that, and realize that it is one post, not some giant machine pumping hate in your direction. You fools are talking to one sucker down in his grandma's basement, not the giant evil HillBama hivemind. (I put Hillary's name first, is that showing "my true colors"? Please fight about it. Pile on the irony.)

We are all individuals. We are not "bots" or brainwashed cult members. What an individual says is his and his alone, no one else can control it. And in turn, he should take the responsibility of controlling it. Especially rather than attempting to blame and obfuscate by pointing at others doing the exact same thing.

Some of the posts in this thread are mind-bogglingly illogical. It would waste time to point them out, but take a look anyone that wants to be amazed. Those that this post does not apply to will spot them right away. You others will remain blissfully unaware.



(This is a reply to this sorry-ass thread in general, not the OP)

[smalll]

471. ******* THREAD #2 ***********

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4503685