Democratic nominee for president!

[Meshuga]

Regardless of who wins the nod. We need a Democrat in the White House. Please check in if you are with me!

[Politicub]

1. Absolutely!

:kick:

[sam sarrha]

5. yes... but i am filled with dread and fear for the future, little support, Edwards gave me hope,

lots of hope, now we have one working with the system to change it and one running on Charisma, that a guy on Cspan discribed..'his popularity is largely based on his ability to frame Republican ideology in a manner acceptable to Democrats'.

then there is this.. http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html

and this.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obamas-faustian-bargain-_b_82863.html

i feel that Hillery has a program she has developed and is perusing, Obama is morphing as required

i don't support either one, i am concerned how cultist some of the Obama people are getting ... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4447800 i am glad to see enthusiasm, but i was a research biologist, something is odd, i did a study of cults in the 70's, i was kidnapped by the Moonies for a couple weeks,... it is just peculiar to me.

i started working in campaign centers during the Humphrey/Nixon race, the only time i ever saw people act So giddy over a candidate was working for Bobby Kennedy,.. and OBAMA IS NO BOBBY KENNEDY. i saw Bobby give a speech on a train whistle stop on his way to Los Angeles..

we just have to start where you are.. and it keeps changing, for the worse, i am worried about jobs being exported, i am disabled, i have no protection from discrimination.. no hope of job training, that just got cut by our government, thank you very much for that and the newest $78 billion dollar tax cut to the richest 4% in top if the previous $160 billion tax cut to the richest 2%... but that $300 dollar tax refund i have to pay taxes on will buy 3 weeks of subsistence groceries at Walmart which have inflated up to 100% since W, and i pay taxes on them too.. if my taxes weren't going to kill women and children in Iraq, Corporate Welfare, and bonuses for corporations who outsource jobs to china,.... i wouldn't F'n mind so much

sorry for the rant, I'm tired of Pie-in-the Sky sermons.. and deals with corporations. i vote a party ticket because i wouldn't piss on a Republican if they were on fire... i want a better reason to vote

[Jim__]

2. Agreed!

[whistle]

3. Yes, I suppose as long as that person will act like a democratic president

:yoiks:

[LWolf]

4. How do you know that they will act like a Democratic president

before they are elected? Do you expect them to walk their campaign talk, or do you expect them to be fundamentally different than their campaign image?

[whistle]

7. What all of the candidates have been saying and will continue to say

...up to the party conventions really do not show how each would act if they were to become president. Once the nominations are finalized and we have a democratic nominee established, that person's true nature will emerge in what they say and how they debate the issues against the republican nominee and who ever else may be running from the convention until election day.

As to the legitimacy of the election process of 2000 and the arguments of whether or not it should have been contested, I'll set that aside and just say I did support and vote for Al Gore. He would have made an excellent democratic president.

I also voted for Bill Clinton in both 1992 and 1996. I pretty much supported Clinton on everything. He could have been more forthright as to the Monica situation when it surfaced, but even presidents make mistakes and that is now past. I admired Hillary as First Lady. She has been a very good U.S. Democratic Senator and there is no reason in my mind why she would not be an excellent United States President and leader.

I voted for John Kerry and supported his campaign fully to my limited abilities in 2004 as I believed he would have represented the democratic platform and ideals to stop the wars and turn our economy around and away from the misdirection of the right wing and the Bush/Cheney neocon power structure. However, Kerry failed to make a strong enough case before the majority of voters even after factoring in voter fraud, vote suppression, swift-boater character assassinations and all the other KKKarl Rovian and RW corporativist dirty tricks and lies.

So, in my book, I will vote democratic, as I always have in the past going straight back to JFK. So there is no reason to question how I will vote. The democratic candidate's job when the real campaigning begins will be to convince the majority of voters that he or she will be the best choice for the majority of the American people. That won't happen if they have already sold their souls to corporations and powerful self-interest groups! :yoiks:

[LWolf]

9. "All of the candidates..."

I think you mean "the two major candidates left on the ballot."

There are other candidates who DID clearly declare how they would act as president. At least one of them had an actual record in Congress that MATCHED that declaration.

[whistle]

10. Correct, but Dennis is out and so is John Edwards, so now the focus

...can be on those who remain plus the conscience of the Democratic Party

[LWolf]

11. And if those who remain

conflict with the conscience of the Democratic Party?

It's interesting to me that we didn't hear anything about the conscience of the party while the rest of the candidates were still in the race.

It's only when we are safely beyond nominating someone who represents that conscience with integrity that we can begin talking about the conscience of the party?

[whistle]

13. I did not just begin, I certainly would have supported Kucinich all the way

...or John Edwards, but the primary process has narrowed the options.

TOTAL DELEGATES

Delegate Definitions

Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 840 Super delegates: 193 Total: 1,033

Barack Obama
Pledged: 831 Super delegates: 106 Total: 937

John Edwards
Pledged: 26 Super delegates: 0 Total: 26

Joe Biden
Pledged: 0 Super delegates: 0 Total: 0

Chris Dodd
Pledged: 0 Super delegates: 0 Total: 0

Mike Gravel
Pledged: 0 Super delegates: 0 Total: 0

Dennis Kucinich
Pledged: 0 Super delegates: 0 Total: 0

Bill Richardson
Pledged: 0 Super delegates: 0 Total: 0

Delegates Pledged now: 1,996
Delegates Needed to Win: 2,025
Delegates Available: 2,053
Delegates Total: 4,049

So, for those left in the running should they not now be finding the common ground to unit the democratic voters to get them in support of victory? Are you suggesting blind allegiance to the final nominee? That's republicanism not the democratic way. Sorry, if the democratic nominee blows that they will probably not win

[LWolf]

16. I'm not suggesting anything,

let alone "blind alliegance" to the final nominee.

I find the suggestion that the two left on the ticket might reach out to find common ground with Democrats that DON'T support them to be an interesting idea, but I'm skeptical.

In my experience, it works the other way. They expect that, since we "have no choice," we will simply suck it up and give them a "lesser of two evils" vote.

That doesn't fly well with me.

I have no intention of casting a vote for whichever one of them winds up with the nomination. I suppose that could change, but not unless the candidate him or herself made some pretty fundamental changes.

Those who remain conflict with my conscience, and with the conscience of the Democratic Party that I registered to work with.

As a matter of fact, I've been stating that since just before the primary season began, before any of them jumped into the race. I figure that the party had a chance in the primaries to nominate someone who could earn my vote. Democratic voters not only did not do that, but the party made sure I was completely disenfranchised by narrowing the field and trying to wrap up the nomination before I ever even got a chance to vote; my primary is May 20th.

Why would people expect that I would automatically support a nominee that I didn't get to help choose? My vote has already been devalued.

[whistle]

18. What you describe is the "baby-boomer arrogance" that idea that

..."They expect that, since we "have no choice," we will simply suck it up and give them a "lesser of two evils" vote" and of course that may not work anymore. Which of the two, Hillary or Obama will more likely be best at bringing together the devalued and the discarded voters from the party?

[LWolf]

20. Neither.

As I've said repeatedly since they first decided to run.

I'm a boomer myself, at the edge of that group, born in 1960.

I believe that's the basis of Obama's support: people believe he is the one more likely to bring together discarded and devalued voters. I just don't agree. I don't hear the things from him that are likely to bring me into the fold, I hear things that further alienate me.

[lame54]

6. I'm in - watch this...

I voted Edwards and am not enthused about either of the front-runners and Gravel doesn't have a chance:-(
but I will dutifully vote against the repugs come November
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUiEd0IHaDs

[HughMoran]

8. Sacrilege!

:rofl:

[SeattleGirl]

12. My feelings exactly!

:toast:

[TZ]

14. abso-friggin-loutely.

You go, Mr. Wiggles!!!:yourock:

[bigwillq]

15. With you.

I am supporting the DEM nominee on the ballot.

[UALRBSofL]

17. That being said there are still issues to be worked out

I don't think either candidate wants to be steamrolled out of the nomination. But yes I always vote Dem.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. agreed.