So you don't think DU can make a difference in this race(check it out)

[59millionmorons]

It started out a small post by (Gulliver)on DU and it now is sweeping Washington D.C. and the country. With Gullivers permission I took his lead and ran with it. This is Gullivers original post---

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian state.

Bush is a waffler. Did I miss any?
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I added to it with help from some Duers.

Bush Flip-Flops
Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island. Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
Bush claims to be for women's rights and then nominates judges who have tried to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
Bush says he's in favor of adding carbon dioxide as a regulated greenhouse gas. Then Bush said it would not be included.
Bush was against Nation Building. ooops Iraq
Bush-"I'm a uniter, not a divider." Then divides.
Bush was against amnesty for illegal aliens. Now he's for it.
Bush was against Presidents doing an end run around Congress to pack the courts. Then he did it.
Bush said the war would cost $3 billion. Then he asked for 87 billion.
Bush We need to go to war with Iraq because their WMDs pose a direct threat to the
United States. Bush- We needed to go to war with Iraq to free the Iraqi people.
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This email today from Kos informing me of the storm-
Dude, it's out there. The WaPo has been citing it, it's been
circulating in the Hill (every congressional office has received it),
and given the large numbers of reporters that read dKos, it's gotten
good coverage.

http://www.georgebush.com/GetActive/WriteNewspapers.aspx
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THIS FROM KOS

For example, my reader-powered "Bush Flip Flops" post on Saturday hit Andrew Sullivan, WaPo and dozens, if not hundreds, of blogs today. In one fell swoop, we turned a GOP talking point against our candidate against theirs, and people outside of the blogosphere "echo chamber" were receptive to the message.

I didn't write that flip-flop post. Reader TK did. Yet it'll now be picked up by the party and other media outlets when "balancing" out the RNC spin points. We are on our way to neutralizing what might've been the GOP's strongest line of attack against Kerry.

Fact is, this is a brutal time to be in GOoPer politics. The old tricks of the trade don't work anymore. Once upon a time, politicos preyed on the public's short attention span. Say one thing today, pretend you never said that tomorrow knowing no one would call you on it. ("Imminent threat", anyone?)

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also appears on
-Howard Kurtz column
-Randi Rhoades show
-Gary Sutton show
-Kerry has it
-DNC has it

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE FRIENDS

[NewYorkerfromMass]

1. Almost a week ago....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1191276

Good Job!

[arcane1]

2. hell YES!

BushCo doesn't know who they are f-ing dealing with!!

:toast:

:yourock:

[livetohike]

3. Yep

The lightning power of the Internet to bring people together and disseminate information. It's amazing. Go DU!

[ihaveaquestion]

4. Woo - Hoo!

Gives me hope!

[KoKo]

5. dem dem you and Gulliver deserve a Party! This is Fantastic News!

:toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party:

DU at it's best! Reminds me of the "good old days here!" So there can be good new days because of efforts like this.

THANKS!!!

[KoKo]

26. Kick

:kick:

[59millionmorons]

32. Still more work to do

We have to get this out to everyone we can.

[radfringe]

6. how about the evolving "reasons" for invading Iraq and other items

Saddam and Al-Qeada were working together
Saddam and 'terrorist' organizations were working together

Saddam has active WMDs
Saddam moved the WMDs to Syria
Saddam hid the WMDs
Saddam has programs for WMDs
Saddam had plans for programs for WMDs

ooops forget WMDs, we really went in to liberate the Iraqis

It's the intelligence agencies fault that there were no WMDs
Clinton believed there were WMDs
It's Clinton's fault there were no WMDs
It's Clinton's fault that the intelligence agencies got it wrong

Saddam tried to buy yellow cake from Niger
British intelligence got it wrong - it's their fault
Clinton's fault, he cut intelligence agency budget

[59millionmorons]

7. These are flat out lies

nt

[Alex146]

8. Good job

:kick:

[Melinda]

9. Sourcing and more:

Henry Waxman letter re inconsistencies to Rice:

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/waxman011404.pdf

Bush lied about seeing the 1st plane strike the WTC:

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm

And when asked if Bush lied about the war, David Corn said:

"His main argument for war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (he said intelligence gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies left "no doubt" of that) and that at any moment Saddam Hussein could slip some of his WMDs to al Qaeda, with whom (Bush asserted) he had an operation alliance. On the first point, we now know that the intelligence did not leave "no doubt." In fact, David Kay, the administration's chief weapons hunter, told Congress in October 2002 that the prewar intelligence was "bounded by large uncertainties." The Republican chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees have said the same. So it is undeniable: Bush falsely characterized the intelligence on Hussein and WMDs.

On the second point -- al Qaeda and Hussein -- Bush before the war maintained that Hussein was "dealing" with al Qaeda. And during his infamous May 1, 2003, speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln, he declared that al Qaeda was an "ally" of Hussein. There has been no evidence to back that up. When Bush was asked in July 2003 by a reporter to specify what evidence he had to make such assertions, he dodged the question. More recently, Secretary of State Colin Powell told reporters that there was no conclusive evidence of a link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. So Bush used two false premises to initiate a war. That is a proven fact. To me that's a firing offense. But ultimately it is up to the public to decide how serious such lying is."

[randr]

10. BEAUTIFUL--DESERVES ITS OWN WEB SITE

[radfringe]

11. oldie but goodie - circa pre-9/11

http://community.webshots.com/photo/27446672/30258090mjocJxpAZd

[never cry wolf]

12. Bravo demdem and gulliver!! This gives me an idea!

Can we here at DU form our own sort of "think tank", a surrogate fact checking organization/repug talking point counter? We do it anyway, all we really need is a little organization and contacts to get the word out quickly to the campaigns and the press such as what happened in this thread. Maybe even start a new forum just for that.

With all the research many here have already done and saved along with the abilities for searching we absolutely KICK ASS! We could be unpaid research volunteers, if not for Kerry, for the ABB campaign!

We'd need a group in charge of keeping an eye on the latest repug talking points and post em here, another group to research and debunk, another to put the info together coherently and the last to disseminate it. It doesn't have to be organized like this necessarily, especially if we had a separate forum where anyone could post a new project and anyone answer and a contact list pinned to the top for disemination.

What do ya all think? Let's USE the power of DU!!

[arcane1]

21. damn good idea

we kind of do it anyway, though not 'officially'

I haven't written much to the campaigns, etc, mostly to news figures, and only then based on something they actually said/wrote


I agree, it's time we took over the task of letting them ALL know!!!!

[never cry wolf]

23. Thanks! I like it alot!

I posted at ATA on this here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x15055

It really IS something we all do anyway here. Why not organize it so that it can be valuable research tool?

on edit: sort of the way Bev has activated people on the BBV issue.

[welshTerrier2]

13. let's keep adding more

bush said he would create 2.6 million jobs this year ... then he said he won't ...

bush said the budget deficits would be very short term ... now they're projected out for 10 years or more ...

[trumad]

14. So you want a web page ehhhhh...

http://www.convergcom.com/

[welshTerrier2]

20. thanks ..

i emailed my additions ...

[blondeatlast]

34. Nice work, Trumad--I AM fine folk, indeed! nt

[SangamonTaylor]

15. Picked up by Washington Post

Parts of this list has been picked up by Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post right here

Way to go

[VolcanoJen]

16. Has Howie Kurtz ever had an original thought in his life?

Just wondering...

Excellent round-up, DUers!!!! Let's keep this going... when they attack, we attack.

SPEED KILLED BUSH.

It worked in '92, and it'll work in '04, too. Go, Rapid Responders!!! All props to DU'ers and Daily Kos readers!!

[blondeatlast]

36. Sure, he and P-Diddy hang together and

figure out ways to steal other people's talent and ideas!

They're right good buddies.

[blondeatlast]

35. Kurtz, Oh, hell--he's a major league ass-wipe. nt

[LandOLincoln]

17. Wonderful! Email that list to the Kerry campaign MUY PRONTO! n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. And one more on Terror

Bush was opposed to having airline screeners become Federal employees, then he caved. I thought it unbelievable at the time that Bush really thought the public would feel safe with airline screening handled by glorified temp agencies offering little if any employee benefits.

[cally]

19. Picked up by Salon, too

Thanks Gulliver and demmdem. Great work! :toast:


Speaking of flip-flops



You've heard by now that the GOP attack line on Kerry is that he "flip-flops." Daily Kos provides a nifty rundown (still in the making) of vacillations of the true flip-flopper in the presidential race: George W. Bush.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html/index.html

[ewagner]

22. Yooohooo! That's the TRUE value of DU

Bushco's campaign will truly suffer the Death of a Thousand Cuts as long as DUers get information and pass it along like this. They can attack Kerry. They can attack Moveon.org. They can attack the DNC and the DLC. BUT THEY CAN NEVER GET TO 40,000 OF US!

Way to go guys!

:toast:

[Joanne98]

24. Bush said SH had something to do with 9/11

Then he said he didn't. Don't forget that one.

[Imalittleteapot]

25. Amazing. Wonder when Rush or Drudge will pick it

up. :toast: Congratulations! Things like this make me proud to be a part of this group. Power to the people.

[radfringe]

27. the LATEST flip-flop

more Flip-flops
First he won't testify (per Meet-the Press interview) --- then he will
next he won't testify for more than an hour - then he will


Updated: 09:13 PM EST
Bush to Give Sept. 11 Panel Full Access
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20040309115309990028
By TERENCE HUNT, AP

WASHINGTON (March 9) - President Bush will answer privately all questions raised by a federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the White House said Tuesday, softening its insistence that Bush's testimony be limited to an hour.

''Nobody's watching the clock,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Still, he said an hour was ''a reasonable period of time to set aside for a sitting president of the United States.'' The White House and the commission are working on a date for the meeting with Bush. The commission urged Bush to meet with all of its members, not just the chairman and vice chairman.

The shift came after presumed Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused Bush of stonewalling investigations of the terrorist attacks and U.S. intelligence failures.

---snip---

It was the administration's latest change of heart about the commission. Bush originally had opposed the panel's creation. Then he had opposed its request for a two-month extension of its work but eventually relented. Bush is intent on protecting his standing with Americans on the war on terror, which in polls is his best issue with voters.

[radfringe]

28. TV commercial idea

for those with the resources...

this would make a great tv commercial...

just a still shot of bush* in profile facing in one direction, voice over and/or scrolling text

"First he's against_______"

flip the photo so bush* is facing in opposite direction

"Then he's for _________"

start it off at a normal pace, and then speed up the flip-flops/scrolling/voice over in order to "cram" all the flip-flops into the as time limit

[59millionmorons]

29. I will add it to the list

Thanks

[Eurobabe]

33. another one to add from this morning

In 2000 Bush criticized Clinton administration for taking donations from people who stayed in the White House saying: "I believe they've moved that sign, `The buck stops here,' from the Oval Office desk to `The buck stops here' on the Lincoln Bedroom. And that's not good for the country."

Yet during his three years in the White House, Bush entertains over 270 individuals, taking donations from them while they stayed at either Camp David or in the Lincoln Bedroom. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=2&u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_sleepovers

[nolabels]

30. The love - hate relationship goes on

The spoon fed swill that the corporate media dishes out to the general public is beyond imaginable. Today I pick up the LA Times they have some side bar above the fold article on the all still too secret OSP. For this Secret Dick Enterprise many a careful reader that roams the INTERNET could found out about 8 or 9 months ago.

Keep the pilot light on, the heat will follow sooner or later :evilgrin:

[meti57b]

31. ::KICK::

[TacticalPeek]

37. Kick. n/t