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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:19 PM
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It's OFFICIAL, Kerry passed Delegate #, nomination wrapped up
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040313/D819LRQ00.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) - John Kerry locked up the Democratic presidential nomination Saturday, eclipsing the magic number of delegates needed to become President Bush's chief rival in the general election, according to an Associated Press tally.

The four-term Massachusetts senator reached the 2,162 delegate mark Saturday afternoon, the AP count found, just as Democrats in Kansas headed to party caucuses.

Amassing the required number of delegates was a mere formality for Kerry after his last main Democratic rival, John Edwards, dropped out of the campaign following a disastrous showing on March 2, when 10 states held "Super Tuesday" contests.

Kerry hit the magic number early Saturday afternoon thanks to support from "superdelegates" - people who get a vote at the Democratic convention in Boston by virtue of their influence within the party.

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:22 PM
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1. Way to go, JFK II!
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:35 PM
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2. Congrats!
Now, those of you who were supporting Kerry, but wanting to support
an alternate candidate like Dennis Kucinich are free to go to the wire in the convention, supporting the Kucinich platform!

I think Dennis would make a fine Veep, without a doubt.
Even better Sec of Commerce or Labor.
But just as important, we are running against
the lowest of the low, in what will turn out to be the dirtiest
campaign in the history of the U.S..
Let's keep an egg or two in other baskets.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:34 PM
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20. We were always "free to go to the wire"
but certainly now it's very important.

As one of the more generous Kerry supporters keeps saying "No harm, no foul"

Kanary

Another Delusional Diehard for Dennis!!

Kucinich 2004!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:43 PM
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3. Here we go, yo
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:59 PM
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4. Now DK and Sharpton GET OUT!
Get out and support our candidate or vacate the Democratic Party. We will not be held hostage to Anti-Democratic Party factions.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:04 PM
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5. "We will not be held hostage to Anti-Democratic Party factions"
Dumbest. Post. Ever.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:07 PM
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6. Yes, yours was dumb
Edited on Sat Mar-13-04 03:08 PM by TrueAmerican
But don't be too hard on yourself. I have seen worse.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:17 PM
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12. *rolls eyes*
Nice come back. Almost as good as "I know you are but what am I?" :eyes:
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:21 PM
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14. You said you were a Butt
I didn't. Please spell "butt" correctly next time. It's not "but" when use the way you use it.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:12 PM
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8. Sounds like a true American to me.
:silly:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:12 PM
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:39 PM
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25. You're joking right?????
"Anti-Democratic Party Factions"??????? Are you fucking kidding me?????

Dennis Kucinich is a REAL Democrat who is fighting for the inclusion of core Democratic principles. He is recognized as a progressive leader in the party. The Democratic Party NEEDS its progressive wing.

Al Sharpton is reaching out to VERY IMPORTANT contituencies that don't always particpate in the political process (the poor, minorities). The more people he can bring in the better.

To call them and their supporters "Anti-Democratic Party Factions" is at best DEMEANING and at worst an OUTRIGHT LIE.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:15 PM
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36. You're kidding me right?
This race would be boring as hell without Al Sharpton. And DK is just one more person on the road bashing Bush and helping Kerry. Not to mention the fact that they aren't getting any media coverage whatsoever. I think they are helping us.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:11 PM
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7. Congrats to JK and his supporters...
I look forward to supporting him in the race to win back the White House.

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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:14 PM
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10. Thanks, mzmolly.
I have a feeling we are going to see a blow out with all the talent we have now on board.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:25 PM
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16. thank you
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:13 PM
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9. Good. Now vote for DK and Sharpton so the platform will be what we want
Kerry doesn't need anymore votes. So it's time for his supporters to join with those who want the platform to reflect the values that Dennis and Sharpton have been expressing. A vote for DK or Sharpton is a vote for you and your family.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:16 PM
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11. LOL
Face reality. DK and Sharpton will not have any impact on the convenction or platform. The Democratic Party will not be held hostage to left wing wackos.
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:15 PM
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22. Learn how to spell
It's CONVENTION not convection!!!!!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:17 PM
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37. I think he was talking about the Democratic Convection Oven...
Although I could be wrong.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:14 PM
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43. I imagine there will be a good deal of hot air. n/t
:)
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:38 PM
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38. FYI
I know how to spell. I may have trouble typing. A true DK supporter who has nothing better to do than harass and whine.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:46 PM
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26. God forbid that DEMOCRATS have any say in the Democratic Party, right?
Rather people like yourself should control it. :eyes:
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 08:29 PM
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42. you're right
the Democratic party will not be held hostage to left wing "wackos"; it'll be held hostage by corporatist swine and people like you are to stupid to realize that they consider you nothing more than chattel.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:19 PM
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13. Are you serious? What is it that makes you think that
Dean, or Kucinich or Sharpton have ANY juice to dictate what the platform will be?
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:23 PM
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15. It's called being deranged
I think they have pills for that nowadays. Maybe Kerry should make free or low cost deranged medication part of his platform.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:33 PM
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19. It's called standing up for America and Americans
DK better represents the interests of the future of this country than those who are trying to stop his campaign. Kerry may have already lost the general election. It is DK's efforts to get Holt's and Graham's bill passed that give us any hope that a Democrat will win the White House in November.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:49 PM
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27. So you say. Why then, did your wonderful candidate do so
poorly?

I'll tell you.

Because nobody likes him or his ideas, which is why he will be all but ignored at the convention.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 05:20 PM
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29. Ew
I feel dirty just reading that.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 05:29 PM
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30. Based on the numbers, can you deny what I said?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 05:42 PM
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32. "Because nobody likes him or his ideas"
I've met thousands and thousands and thousands of people who love both him and his ideas. So, based not only on numbers but on actual empirical evidence based upon personal experience all across the country...yeah, I can deny what you said.

More than that, though, it was your tone that was gross. "Wonderful candidate" was snide. I get a kick out of people who accuse others of having ego problems and then spew stuff like that. Makes me giggle.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:05 PM
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33. P.S.
If you're not worried about his numbers, if he has no numbers, why are you worried he might "try and hold the party hostage". Hard to hold anything hostage if you don't have any hostages, right? Or not. Or what?



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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:10 PM
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34. Oh Will, don't go confusing the issue...
with logic. :crazy:
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:57 PM
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41. Gee Will, do I, someone who isn't a "best selling" author have
to explain it to you?

A great deal of politics has to do with the perception of power.

Since Kucinich is an Ohioan, and WAS a presidential candidate, albeit not an effective one, then any attempt to hijack the party on his part would no doubt be covered ad nauseum by the media.

That, in itself would be counterproductive, Will.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:52 PM
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40. Will, where were those thousands and thousands of people
when the primaries took place? I guess they couldn't find the time to make it to the polls.

Speaking of polls, it would be interesting to have a poll taken on just who does have an ego around here.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:42 PM
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44. Kerry hasnt lost the general election
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 12:03 AM by Nicholas_J
far from it. with Every negative add that Bushco puts out, Kerry's polling numbers go up, while Bush's go down. Seriously down and oddly enough when Nader is brought into the mix, it effects Bush's numbers as much as it effects Kerry's, leaing the differential betwen Kerry and Bush exactly the same. Of course, the die hard Voters in each party will vote either democrat or repubican, but the small group of swing voters, constituting 7 percent of the voters, are supporting Kerry 2 to 1 over Bush. Half of the expected Reagan Democrats have switched allegiance back from the Republicans to the Democratic party again, and Kerry was the only candidate who's polling records showed the smallest number of democrats who would vote for Bush if he was the nominee. In Dean's case, 20 percent of Democrats indicated that they would vote for Bush if Dean was the nominee, but only 10 percent arestating they will vote for Bush if Kerry is the nominee. Similar breakdoen for Repubicans who will go Democrat. In comparative polls more moderate Republicans will choose to vote Democrat If Kerry is the nominee rather than if Dean or one of the other candidates were the nominee. Twelve percent of Republicans have stated they will not vote for Bush, but for Kerry if he is the nominee. But only ten percent of Democrats have stated that they will vote for Bush if Kerry is the nominee, giving Kerry a two percent advantage over Bush in cross over voters. When you are talking a turnout of 40 to 50 million voters, this two percent gives Kerry an advantage of 800,000 to a million voters just from this cross over votes between parties. This does not include the 7 percent of independent voters who are the swing voters who do not vote straight party line, the group that both candidates are trying to convince to vote for them. The two percent differential in party crossover gives Kerry a larger advantage over Bush. Almost twice the popular vote win that Gore had in 2000. Since polls have Kerry getting thew support of twice as many of those independents right now, The polls indicate that Kerry would win by a very large margin, and that this campaign is not likely to be a close race, as political pundits are assuming. The polling information is indicating that Kerry will win this election by a anywhere from one million to 3 million votes.

So far, the negative ads that Bush is running seem to be affecting him negatively, rather than affecting Kerry negatively. Bush will be able to keep his core support, but every poll indicates that his negative campaigning is not appealing to the swing voters, and in fact, Kerry's not going negative except to refute Bush's negative advertising is having the same effect it had for Kerry in Iowa where he only went negative in response to negative campaighning by other democrats and it was extrmely effective for both Kerry and Edwards to only go negative in response to negative attacks on themselves.

All Kerry needs to do is respond to Bush's negative ads with valid information about his record on the issues that Bush is attempting to misrepresent, and Bushco's behavior seems to be blwing back into their own faces.

Only a few days ago, Bush's made statements about outsourcing of jobs being good for America, and today he did a 180 on that and stated that they were going to have to do something about outsourcing as it was bad for America. Bad move after sputting out ads talking about Kerry's flip flops.

As we long time Kerry supporters pointed out when supporters of other candidates were stating that the race wasn't over a week ago, and the fact that Kerry only had 1500 delegates was a sure indicator that we were goig to have a brokered convention, and that no-one would give their delegates to Kerry, so Kerry would have to give his dleegates to other other candidates, this scenario just wasnt going to occur. In fact I ams surprised by how fast this occurred, as I figured Kerry would end up passing the winning number around the middle of May.

So far, we Kerry supporters and the polls seem to have been rather accurate in our accessment of the campaign for the nomination. The polls have been rather strikingly accurate this time around, and in most cases, Kerry has won every primary and caucus by very close to the margins predicted in the polls. The polls, except those done by journals like Business Weeks and for large Business related consortiums all have Bush losing to Kerry by a rather large margin.

These poll have yet to be wrong. I estimate that Bush will do worse than even these polls state, particularly if another terrorist event ocurs in the next few months which would blow apart any semeblence of reality to Bush's claims that he is making the country safer. Even a small terrorist act would completely ruin the Bush campaign.

Given the recent events in Madrid, if anything, it has been proven that the world is not safer from Al Qaeda, and that the people who planned and initiated the events that caused the September 11th tragedy are still alive, well, free and active. The fact that there were no WMD's found in Iraq indicates that Saddam was no threat to us, as the main clain to his being a threat was that he would provide terrorists with WMD's to use against the United States. David Kays report that Saddams had no WMD's but had the means of producing them and is simply waiting for theU.N. to lift sanctions and the rest of the world to lift its observation of Iraq and its borders and eliminate the no-fly zomes indicated that the international community was correct and that Saddam and Iraq was safely bottled up and that there was enough time to continue inspections and wait to attempt a diplomatic solution, or wait to get full support in the U.N. for regime change. Enough time to make the case that even if Saddam did not pose a threat to the outside world, that his regime was brutal and engaged in massive human rights violations that made his removal warranted, and involve the U.N. with that regime change.

Kerry will be able to make this point very clearly, that he is not flip flopping about Iraq, that Iraq posed no threat to the U.S., that the U.N. and the diploamtic community should have been persuaded to be more fully involved in getting rid of an inhumane dictator.
And that it is not a good idea to go to war on a hunch, but rather, to only do so with the consent of the interantional community if there is no direct threat to the U.S. and that there was no possibility of waiting until we saw the mushroom clouds. Kerry will prosecute the case of the People v. Bush with the same skill that he pursued the case of the People v. Ollie North.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:32 PM
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18. Your sig line kinda describes your actions here towards others
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 05:31 PM
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31. I just tell it like it is. If you don't like the message, well......
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:19 PM
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23. Um, Dean Kucinich and Sharpton
combined represent a significant percentage of Democratic activists. Pissing off their supporters may not cost Kerry votes (most of us know that Bush must go!!! and will vote accordingly), but it will affect their level of enthusiasm as far as $$$ and volunteer time go.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:45 PM
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39. Vote for Sharpton?
Sharpton is already $600,000 in debt.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:31 PM
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17. good for JK
now pick a good VP that's currently trying to help you win Ohio
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:20 PM
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24. Congrats to Senator Kerry!!!!!
I look forward to voting for him in November!!!!
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Mr. Socko Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 04:52 PM
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28. About time.
Now Kerry can get serious with his campaign and tear Bush a new asshole.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:15 PM
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35. An official congrats to John Kerry
Now go kick some cowboy butt
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 12:03 AM
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45. Great! Now lets move the Monkey OUT!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:02 AM
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46. Not so fast!
We are voting on May 4 for the Indiana Primary Election.

The candidates on the ballot are:

Wesley K.Clark
Howard Dean
John Edwards
John F.Kerry
Dennis J.Kucinich
Lyndon H.LaRouche,Jr.

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/candidates04/candidatelist.pdf

I helped collect signatures to get Kucinich on the ballot, and I will most definitely vote for Dennis for President because he best represents my views and speaks to my issues.
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