Anyone Else Tired of Lieberman (R-Conn) Whining and Attacking Dean?

[Stevendsmith]

If moving "backwards" means igniting grassroots democracy and targeting for removal the most corrupt administration in U.S. history, then sign me up.

Piss off, Joe!

[atreides1]

1. I Know I Am

N/T

[dodgerartful]

2. Im put off by

his seeming party switch, I never liked him to begin with, now, he seems to be grasping at straws, you dont see his supporters here....

[Patriot_Spear]

3. Does Lieberman have a platform OTHER than attacking Dean?

Just curious.

[HereSince1628]

4. maybe its posted at www.RNC.com

[Patriot_Spear]

29. No really- does he have platform that different from the republicans? n/t

[impeach the gop]

5. He's a whiner for sure

I'll be glad not to have listen to the pitty party he's so obsessed with. Time for slow joe to grow up and leave the adults alone to beat smirky!

[Lefta Dissenter]

6. Frankly, you shouldn't feel singled out.

This is the one area in which I feel I can relate to the Dean supporters. I'm really sick of Lieberman's slams against ALL of the other candidates (except bush, of course! - he seems to forget to make any of those).

[Howardx]

7. lol!

good point! haha:)

[liberalhistorian]

9. Exactly!

And his suggesting "another look" at the abortion laws and Roe vs. Wade in light of medical advances was the final, last straw for me. I no longer consider him any kind of Democrat at all. I wish he would just make it formal and officially switch parties.

[JNelson6563]

17. That's what I was thinking

He basically smears everyone who's ahead of him, ok, everyone. haha

Julie

[Hep]

8. I won't vote for Lieberman

if he wins the nomination. I'll move to Canada.

[dsc]

10. I have defended Lieberman often

but his campaign is literally inexplicable. It is hard to know just what he is thinking.

[dolstein]

15. Well, he certainly speaks for this life-long Democrat

I'm sure I'm not the only life-long Democrat who's sick and tired of being called a Republican by the likes of Howard Dean simply because I don't agree with his anti-Iraq agenda. I also doubt I'm the only one whose offended by the fact that Dean, who has been relentlessly negative toward other national Democrats for the past year, has the nerve to declare himself off limits to criticism for the sake of "party unity". Indeed, the fact is that Lieberman is hardly the only candidate who has been responding forcefully to Dean's arrogance and hypocrisy -- it's just that everybody around here chooses to focus their fire on Lieberman, so candidates like Kerry and Gephardt get a free pass. That's the way it's always been around here.

[dsc]

22. Lieberman was leading in the polls

at the beginning of this race. He had access to big money to get his message out. Now he is running poorly in the polls and can't pay his workers. DUers aren't to blame. His terrible campaign is.

[dolstein]

26. And your point would be -- what?

That now Howard Dean is at the top of the polls, none of the other Democrats have the right to criticize him?

Sorry, but Dean has said a lot of stupid and needlessly antagonizing things in the past two weeks. The idea that these comments are somehow off limits is ridiculous. Dean hasn't pulled any punches when it comes to attacking other candidates. Why does he deserve protection from other candidates' attacks?

[dsc]

27. How's it working for ya?

Lieberman has run a bitter, whiny campaign and it is doing nothing but sinking. That is inexplicable.

[dolstein]

31. Actually

Up until a few weeks ago, Lieberman's campaign has been very upbeat and substantive. He was giving major policy speeches and annoucing new initiatives on a regular basis. And he was completely ignored by the press. Now that he's going after Dean for making comments that I'm sure even many of Dean's supporters would, in a rare moment of candor, admit were pretty stupid, he's getting loads of free publicity. You figure it out. When your low on cash, any publicity is good publicity.

As for the "bitter, whiny" remark, I think that description is far more typical of Dean and his supporters, particularly in recent weeks. Suffice it to say that such things are a matter of interpretation.

[dsc]

32. Maybe you missed the Dean depresion remark

in a debate several months ago. Care to try again.

[dolstein]

33. May you missed all the substantive proposals he'd made in the meantime

The fact that you have to latch on to a remark made in a debate several months ago speaks volumes. Believe it or not, between the time of that debate and his remarks over the past two weeks, Lieberman has had an awful lot to say, the vast majority of which has absolutely nothing to do with Howard Dean.

[dsc]

34. It speaks to the fact that it was the first thing which came into my head

There are several things that I could site if I wished to do the research.

[dolstein]

36. But isn't it interesting

that you're more inclined to research the statements Lieberman makes about Dean than Lieberman's substative proposals? DU'ers really do seem to go out of their way to find things that they can hate about Lieberman. I only wish they'd put as much time and effort into examining his voting record and his background. There's actually much there to like. But of course, once you've done that, it becomes far more difficult to demonize the guy. The dirty little secret is that Lieberman is far more liberal on far broader range of issues than anyone around here would care to admit. It's really a sign of just how far out of the mainstream the DU community is that people could get away with routinely branding Lieberman as a right-wing Republican.

[RageAgainstTheirMachine]

11. I am and I don't even like Dean

Lieberman should do everyone a favor and drop out.

[Padraig18]

12. I've tried to defend Joe, but...

... yesterday's attack on gen. Clark was the last straw! :grr:

[w13rd0]

14. attacking dems is his purpose...

...hell, Gore added him to the ticket for:

attacking Bill Clinton

seriously, think about it...attacking democrats is joe's claim to fame...

[Padraig18]

18. It saddens me beyond words, though.

He has so many admirable achievements: an admirable record in civil rights and the environment, etc.. Why oh WHY is he throwing it all away? :shrug:

[YEM]

13. Frankly, I'm a jew and a bit embarrassed by Joe.

He really is no leader. A Whiner, yes. Leader, no.

[Jersey Devil]

16. His best shot is to run for Republican Veep

That's where he belongs anyway. I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.

[diamondsoul]

19. This kind of thing just is-

well, low!

Look, I'm no fan of Lieberman's positions or even some of his campaign tactics, but calling him and by association his supporters Republicans is a low blow. It may be popular around hereto beat up on Joe, but I find it offensive given the constant whines from other candidates supporters over attacks just like this one.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out no matter WHICH candidate it is!

[Stevendsmith]

23. I Wonder what Kucinich Thinks of Lieberman?

Lieberman in the poster boy for the corpocrat movement.

[diamondsoul]

38. Well, I wouldn't know,

since I've never asked him, but I do know he wouldn't call Lieberman a Republican.

[mkultra]

20. he was first

Sick of it, and frankly, I think it was old Joe who started the negativity. He was nasty very early in the first debate by making comments that i felt where beyond the pail.

[revcarol]

21. Why is only Lieberman a whiner?

Kerry and Gephart have attacked Dean. I sure don't like Joe(never did since he got in bed with the insurance industry and stopped being a liberal), but he is only ONE of several attacking Dean.

So, flame me. Just asking.

[Stevendsmith]

24. No Flame Here

You make a good point. But it seems that Lieberman has appointed himself as the vanguard of the attack Dean movement. It's the fact that he's attacking grassroots democratic participation that makes me so mad.

[dolstein]

28. Why does it "seem" that way?

Could it be because nobody on DU bothers to report the attacks on Dean from Gephardt and Kerry?

The truth is that there has always been a double standard around here when it comes to Joe Lieberman. This is a guy with a pretty liberal voting record who is routinely branded as a right-wing Republican. Nobody receives more critical scrutiny than Lieberman. I'm sure it people looks at other candidates as closely as they do Lieberman, they'd find plenty to hate. But nobody bothers? Is it sheer laziness? Or something more insidious?

I also don't buy the argument that Lieberman is attacking "grassroots democratic participation". Please give me the quote where he attacks Dean's supporters. I think it's more the case of Dean's supports taking Lieberman's criticism personally. But that's their problem -- Lieberman certainly can't be faulted for going after Dean when he repeatedly sticks his foot in his mouth.

[Stevendsmith]

35. I Formulate my Opinions Based on Lieberman's Statements

He explicitly states that he is here to "rescue" the party from Dean's backward vision. C'mon, are you telling me that Lieberman isn't carrying the anti-Dean mantle?

A "pretty liberal voting record" isn't the standard for me. As an earlier poster noted, Lieberman is in the pocket of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries--to name just two. He is the emblem for the Republican Lite wing of the Democratic party.

And by attacking Dean, Lieberman is attacking Dean supporters and grassroots democracy. He's saying that to support Dean is to support a wrongheaded vision for America.

[eileen from OH]

25. I'm tired of Lieberman, period.

eileen from OH

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[NewJerseyDem]

37. I getting a little annoyed with him

I have been defending him and will continue to defend him against those ridiculous claims that he is a republican. Most people who make those claims are probably not informed and don't realize that he is much more liberal than many democrats in this country.

However, recently he has attacking Dean and indeed most liberal democrats in ways that go too far. I don't like Dean; I would actually call it a hate of Dean (But, I hate most people so it doesn't mean much). But, Lieberman has basically been saying that if you don't support the war than you can't defend America. That is what republicans say and democrats shouldn't join them. However, in his defense Dean's attacks on many other democrats have been too extreme as well. Both sides need to tone down the rhetoric and remember that the goal is winning the presidency in 2004 not destroying the party.

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