This forum has become tedious, boring, pathetic, and worst of all, irrelevant.

[Redstone]

Christ, I never thought I'd say that about a DU forum; even the forums (or should that be fora?) and groups that are, shall we say, a bit off-center do provide a refreshing break when visited now and again.

I like a good discussion. Hell, I like a good argument as much as the next guy. And a spirited slap-fest, now and again, is a healthy way to keep the old corpuscles circulating in a sprightly manner. But this, this THING that GD-P has devolved to (and as much as I'll get flamed for saying so), is just stupid. And an absurd waste of time, not to mention the tragic waste of precious electrons and our limited supply of keystrokes.

OK, that wasn't much in the way of an attempt at humor. But this forum has composted to much less in the way of an attempt at any kind of discussion or discourse, nor does it have anything even remotely related to an actual purpose anymore.

People piss and moan about any even remotely-perceived slight to their chosen candidate. People call each other every imaginable kind of juvenile names, because of their support for one candidate or another. People seize upon the most ridiculous, most vaporous hint of an imagined slight against their chosen candidate, and beat that imagined slight to death, over and over just to gain some kind of imagined "advantage" or "victory" over the supporters of another candidate.

And for WHAT? Have any of you (and you know who you are) persuaded even one person to change his or her mind, and vote for YOUR candidate, with your hateful posts?

If you say you have, you're lying. That's what bothers me the most, I think: All this screaming and yelling and carrying on, all for NOTHING. (Kind of like some wars we've had, including the one we're still in, yes? It's been five fucking years, people. Has everyone forgotten?)

OK, enough. I've seen many, MANY people who I know to be honorable and conscientious DUers trying their best in this forum; God knows they've tried to battle the tide of obsessiveness and trollishness and occasional outright lunacy. And for what? For nothing.

But they try, don't they? They try to turn this forum back into an actual DISCUSSION, not the dung-flinging cesspool it's turned into, thanks to the participants (yes, you know who you are) who can't grow up enough to type a post that doesn't contain a childish, insulting, third-grade-level, name-calling taunt to refer to the supporters of one candidate or another.

Those valiant DUers have earned my never-ending respect; they have the strength I wish I had to try to hold back the tide.

But as for the name-callers, the imagined-slight whiners, the trollish interlopers, and the obsessive serial posters: Bad cess to the lot of you. I'll not be reading your pustulent, toxic, and pointless rants anymore.

When you have something to say that actually might have a chance of making a difference, rather than the masturbatory posts that consist of something like "I'm picking out one word from your candidate's speech today, and turning it into a National Emergency, and furthermore citing it as an example of why you people who don't support My Candidate Are Worse Than Republicans..." THEN, this forum might be worth visiting again.

I'm outta here, for now. I'm sure some will be happy to hear that.

Redstone

[LoZoccolo]

1. Dude are you mad? Are you *angry*? Are you? n/t

[arewenotdemo]

10. He must be between candidates.

[ErnestoG]

2. What, no forwarding address?

How rude.

[Redstone]

6. I'll be in the Lounge. Or several other places. This is the only part of DU that's

become toxic.

But just to me; as you know, I don't tell other people where they should be or what they should do.

Redstone

[LoZoccolo]

9. Don't forget to check your blood pressure!

You can do it at Walgreen's or some other pharmacy! The doctors were able to detect my slight cardiomyopathy early and successfully treat it.

[cbayer]

27. They have doctors at Walgreens???? Where do I sign up?

[LoZoccolo]

30. They actually have nurse practitioners at some.

It's this new program they have. But I was referring more to those automatic machines where you sit down and it has the cuff.

They used to have those at Meijer's in Michigan where I grew up too, and we used to lol when we'd put a coffee can in the cuff and press the button.

[mitchtv]

59. I've been calling for a "hide Forum" option

My lounge is the GLBT forum. It gets too slow , unfortunately.

[psychopomp]

71. We know different DU's then...

...'cause I can think of a couple of other contentious dens on DU that are often depressing and pointless...I/P, September 11, Guns...and talk about boring and irrelevant (to me), I haven't hung out in the Lounge for about four years (I have nothing against it, though).

Different strokes, I guess.

[LeftyMom]

3. K&R.

[southlandshari]

24. x 2

[gateley]

4. I'm sorry.

:(

[jackson_dem]

5. Folks need to chill out. This all may be over in 2 weeks

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. pick me up some weed while you're out

I could use it, and judging by your post, I bet you could too.

[nonconformist]

13. I'm way ahead of you both on that

:smoke:

[Redstone]

18. Uh, no.

Redstone

[THUNDER HANDS]

26. a bottle of Schlitz, then?

help a brotha out, will ya?

[cbayer]

29. Call me.

Just kidding. I AM NOT A DRUG DEALER.

[CatWoman]

40. well

could you at least point me in the direction of one?

:)

[LeftCoast]

8. I continue to hold out hope that the new version of DU solves some of these problems

I sincerely hope you come back when you're rested and things have (maybe) calmed down a bit here. You leaving is not an improvement as far as I'm concerned.

:hi:

[cbayer]

11. Hi, my name is cbayer and i am a DUholic.

First step - Admit that I am powerless over DU.

Ok, I am going to work on that one


tomorrow.

Well, tomorrow is Sunday and I really have only one more day to really indulge myself.


I'll quit on Monday.



No, no, that's Presidents Day!!! I mean what's more patriotic than spending my entire day in a political miasma. God bless america and it's former presidents.


So, tuesdays the day I quit. I promise. Really.

[Redstone]

20. Your point being...?

Redstone

[cbayer]

25. No offense meant. Seriously.

We need to lighten up. There were a lot of very funny posts today. Very funny.

And the DUzy's yesterday - what a great comic relief. And it highlighted the best in us - our ability to laugh at ourselves.

And I, like you, really need to get out of here for awhile. Jeez, my husband thinks I am in a frigging cult.

Please just laugh at my weak attempt at humor. I swear, that's all it was.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

32. cbayer ... I thought it was cute, and funny.

:hi:

[cbayer]

35. Thank you.

Sometimes i think i am on and i am really way off.
I just love, love, love to laugh.

[Auntie Bush]

67. I post things here regularly that I think are kind of funny but no one

here seems to have a sense of humor. Then I have to explain that it was posted as humor...not viciousness. But they're too busy projecting their hatred toward one another. I said something humorous the other day and was told I'd be put on ignore for the comment. Sheeeeeesh!

[autorank]

89. So PM me when you do it....the funny posts.

We need more humor and these two primary candidates - Hillary ("Heather") Clinton and Barack ("Sweet Smell of Success") Obama are not that funny after a while (unless you consider ignoring 1.1 million dead Iraqi civilians and the point a few decades out when we run out of oxygen funny in a sick sort of way).

[Viva_La_Revolution]

39. LOL!

We could start a support group.

On Tuesday.

[Major Hogwash]

12. So, where is the exciting, adventurous, thrilling, relevant forum you post at?

LoL

[LoZoccolo]

15. lol over here too!

:thumbsup:

[leftstreet]

14. YOUR CANDIDATE SUCKS!!1111

:rofl:

Actually, I like the bickering here. McCain won't win so the Dem primary is basically the Nov 08 GE.

[MADem]

16. Yep, it's all that and more. It's more of a virtual punching bag than anything else.

It may seem to be "for nothing" but maybe someone wandering by will read a cite or obtain a scrap of useful information.

Or maybe not.

Best bet if you can't deal with it IS to turn away. Or turn off all the irritating threads, using the HIDE THREAD button.

That ignore button works a treat for some, too, so I understand.

[still_one]

17. I agree with you, but I will still participate if nothing else then to encourage critical thinking

[ErnestoG]

19. It's the Primaries. Grow a pair for the love of god....

[RetroLounge]

61. OMG! Again?

You're telling Redstone to grow a pair?

OMFG! You have no idea...

RL

[MsMagnificent]

62. LOL

Indeed! :applause:

Yet still the bots dare snark at his post...
I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.

[JI7]

21. yup, i'm disgusted by posts from people on both sides

many of them not having anything to do with issues or why they support their candidate. just stupid empty attacks.

[JVS]

22. Just like your candidate!

[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[question everything]

28. Main reason is that the last two candidates that remained standing have support

or dislike, based on many factors other than the issues.

Poor Edwards was trying to discuss the issues and everyone ignored him.

So people love or hate Hillary because she is a woman, because she is (still) married to Bill Clinton because the effects she has on the Republicans.

And people love or hate Obama because he is black, because he is "fresh" (not much of a track record in Washington) because he talks about ideas and not about the specifics.

[samplegirl]

31. I have to agree with you Redstone

We have had a long eight years of misery. Every Democrat wants change. If I may elaborate on a very important aspect
I think democrats need to realize...no matter which candidate
wins Obama or Hillary we can't lose. Both are competent intelligent people and we should be thankful that we have such great candidates to fight over.
If your a true democrat and you really want change...you should support whatever candidate wins.
Finally we have a chance to conquer not divide.

[Political Heretic]

33. To me it feels like its taken a noticable downturn in the last week or so.

It could be that the long primary season is just starting to burn me out, I don't know.

[candymarl]

34. Tell us how you really feel

I don't get your point.
P.S. Don't forget the waste of "precious bodily fluids". ;-)

[Chasing Dreams]

36. I did get a few folks to switch to Edwards several weeks ago.

That worked really well, right?!

:cry:

[stevenleser]

37. Not just this forum, much of this whole campaign has become a clusterfuck

I've tried to stay pro-Obama and not anti-Hillary but the inertia/gravity pulling anyone even slightly invested in one of the candidates to attack the other side in response to real or imagined slights is very powerful.

I'm probably going to be accused of doing that very thing now, but I really blame Hillary for starting this war with Obama and I believed that even when I was still in the Edwards camp. Hillary and her campaign made the first two substantive attacks/swipes at Obama. First with the calling him naiive back in mid to late 2007 and then Bill's borderline race baiting in and regarding South Carolina. Those things both happened before I was an Obama supporter and I was already appalled by those things back then.

I remember seeing the demeanor of Obama supporters completely change after the things Bill said about South Carolina and about "Fairy Tales". All of a sudden, the entire tone of the campaign and between Obama and Clinton supporters turned negative. Everything completely changed after that. This is one of the major reasons I endorsed Obama and said some of the things I said in that endorsement http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080202_obama_endorsement__96_.htm to wit:

"...He is even more attractive when compared against Hillary Clinton in the race for the nomination. Hillary’s negative ratings by voters have consistently been so high that it would be an uphill battle from day one to try to get her elected. In order for her to have a chance at getting elected, she and her husband would have to wage the most negative campaign in history to try to raise the negative ratings of her opponent. I don’t want to be a part of that kind of campaign."
------------------------------------

This is exactly what Hillary is trying to do now. This change in campaign tenor over the last few days since the regime change in her campaign has been all about trying to raise Obamas negatives, not raise her positives. It would be the same with McCain. I dont want to be a part of that kind of campaign particularly when there is such a better alternative.

[Emit]

38. I imagine

it is a taste of what DU would look and be like if Repugs and other anti-Dem posters were allowed to post -- bitter, senseless and demeaning bickering with little substance or value.

[robbedvoter]

41. Been outta here for a few days now - just checked in to K&R tthis post

[Nitrogenica]

42. Great Post

Thank you. I have always counted on DU to help me get through this right wing madness.

Now I'm beginning to wonder, because I just get insulted when I post a genuine concern here.

I'm not ready to jump ship. I think, though, something should be done to remedy this craziness.

From the DU rules...

"3. Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum."

I think this rule has been broken thousands of times just in the past couple of days.

[CatWoman]

43. kick

:kick:

[Rabrrrrrr]

44. It's precisely attitude like yours that will make it impossible for my candidate to defeat McCain.

So, yeah, if you want to throw the country back to the Republican shitter - hey, that's your right.

We'll see how you like your ability to speak after the Republicans shred the Constitution and turn us into a military dictatorship under the rule of the aliens they've been hiding since 1947, all because my candidate lost.

[Catchawave]

83. Gravel's still in it ?

:silly:

[Guava Jelly]

45. Why do you hate America?

I agree 100%.
This place is nothing short of a monkey cage full of simians slinging poo.
Thanks for trying to edumakate the children here...Sadly I think it is in vain.

[stellanoir]

46. Redstone

I'm beaming out towards the Cape my unwittingly well developed "psychic ignore" function.

People were equally as crazed in '04. The race just didn't go on as long.

Bereft of any truly representative leadership for too long, employing a entirely compromised voting systems, with a complicit and coerced media, folks are just plain FRUSTRATED.

I figure, it's far better that the flame each other on the message boards than go to their alma mater bearing arms.

Maybe something constructive will come out of all the rancor. It's largely juvenile at best.

I'm a deluded optimist though.

This too shall pass my friend.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

47. Irrelevant? Ha!

QUACK

[Blue_In_AK]

48. Well said, Redstone.

I alternate between laughing out loud and screaming epithets at my monitor.

[H2O Man]

49. "tedious, boring, pathetic, & irrelevant"

But other than that?

[helderheid]

50. K&R. You said it much better than I did:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4629497&mesg_id=4629497

[NashVegas]

51. It's Really Not Worth It, To Get That Worked Up

Seriously, Redstone, if you wish to discuss the campaigns in a rational manner, I suggest you go to the groups, where incivility won't be tolerated.

[saltpoint]

52. Plus, there aren't enough recipes.

[AlCzervik]

54. ain't that the truth.

[PeaceNikki]

53. I am sure there has NEVER been a thread that you've engaged in

this reprehensible behavior that you describe, huh?

Be careful on that high-horse, you might get hurt if you fall!

[high density]

55. I think you're making his point for him... NM

[tandot]

56. "...dung-flinging cesspool it's turned into..." ... no shit ...

However, as long as there are some mindless idiots who recommend hateful and ignorant posts to put them on the Greatest page, it won't stop. And it seems that reasonable DUers have left or refuse to step in when stupid nonsense is posted. I guess it is easy to turn a blind eye on sophomoric attacks when it is against the candidate you are not supporting.

[RBInMaine]

57. Hey, this is politics. Gotta have the stomach for it.

Don't worry, we'll all be fine in the end. This is poltics. Gotta have the stomach for it or don't mess around with it.

[DS1]

66. It's not politics, it's shit

That's the point of the OP. Don't confuse the SHIT in here with actualy politics.

[Neecy]

58. It's true that no minds are being changed...

But I'm hoping it'll get better. The serial posters and one-line hit and run topics have been fixed by the new rules, and the mods have done a good job with the RW smears that are too often posted. It's still toxic but not nearly as bad as it was getting to be.

I think that when something like this is neck-and-neck, and so much is at stake, that tensions are going to flare. No, it doesn't change anything and lots of stuff is pure garbage. But I give credit even to the Clinton supporters for caring passionately about something other than American Idol and Britney.

[blogslut]

60. I understand

I tried to stay away from GD-P when it was first proposed. I was very glad that Skinner and Co. cordoned off this crazy sub-forum. I thought to myself "I will never be a part of that pointless, insane crossfire."

Now, here I am. Stuck in an addictive cycle of callous deflection. I try to be civil but I often fail. I find myself resorting to flamewar tactics I haven't implemented since 1996. I read a post that I see as ridiculous and I lose all sense of dignity and reason.

I wish I had your discipline, Redstone, but I do not. I shall stay here and trade barbs until this thing is decided. I know full well that this little sub-forum is not the real world. I know that outside there is a whole country, populated by people who don't give a damn what GD-P thinks. I know that as far as this place goes, most of us have our minds made and attempts to change those minds is an exercise in futility.

Just the same, because of GD-P, I know more about each candidate than I would have, had I stayed away.

Good luck to you. See you when it's over. :hi:

EDIT ADD - stupid auto-emoticons

[MasonJar]

63. I totally agree!!!!!!!!!! with Redstone, that is!

[EffieBlack]

64. THANK you!

I'm sure you are speaking for many people here!

[EffieBlack]

65. THANK you!

I'm sure you are speaking for many people here!

[susanr516]

68. Great post, Redstone

Hold the door--I'm right behind you.

[andym]

69. This forum seems to be for the sport of politics than for findng common ground

This forum seems to be for the sport of politics than for finding common ground. Therefore, what is often seen here is mostly "poisoning the well" attacks in a kind of mini-war between the most extreme supporters of each remaining candidate. Ironic that many supporters are really "against war." Of course, there is no real winning on this forum (winning happens in the real world), only congratulations from allies and epithets from "enemies."

This forum probably should be subtitled: "FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY"

[mopinko]

70. well. politics is a substitute for war.

but, yeah, the quality of the conversation does get a little bent. i try to stay out, but i do have trouble resisting a fight.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4610954

[earth mom]

72. Well, considering that both candidates are no different than McCain, DU has a huge problem.

IMO, McCain is a done deal, so better get used to more misery heading our way in 2009 and beyond.

Meanwhile,

Don't expect anything to change around here

unless

Al Gore charges in on his white horse to save us. O8)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4629973

[loveangelc]

73. bye...

[FlyingSquirrel]

74. Be nice or I'm taking my heart back...

Oh wait nevermind.

;)

[loveangelc]

76. lol :)

[comradebillyboy]

75. I find that drugs and alcohol ease the pain of GD-P

I can't stand to come to Du if I'm not drunk or stoned any more. While I don't necessarily approve of drugs and alcohol, I find they work well for me. This is now a forum where we are all free to be total assholes, and we exercise that freedom to the max. Yes me too. Maybe apathy is the better way. Fuck Obama, fuck Hillary, fuck Edwards, fuck Kucinich and all of them and fuck you too DU. Fuck me for being stupid enough to give my money to this worthless forum, instead of using it to buy another gun, or drugs or scotch whiskey or computer hardware..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

77. Redstone, you rock.

GD-P has become a bizarre mating of professional wrestlers, ADD first-graders, a troupe of poo-flinging baboons and banshees on crack.

I've also made a few pleas for sanity, or at least civility, but it's always "THEY started it first!" So I guess it's OK for the supporters of Candidate A to be ranting, spittle-flecked asshats because they are merely defending their sun-shining-out-of-the-ass hero from the evil slanders of Candidate B and his/her flying monkey partisans. None of the ranters seem willing to consider the fact that both are good, competent candidates; either would be a good President; and we will be in damn good shape regardless of which one is nominated.

So I, too, give up. I'll pop in now and then and toss a cream pie or post an appropriate lolcat but I'm not going to even complain any more.

A noble effort, Redstone. See ya back in the lounge...

[ekwhite]

105. GD-P kind of reminds me of the classic Red vs. Blue quote

Q: How do you prepare for the internet?

A: Go to the local high school chess club and hand out guns and crack cocaine. :evilgrin:

[DawgHouse]

78. great post, Redstone.

[kestrel91316]

79. You DO realize that we are in the midst of our typical primary season

troll/disrupter takeover? This will eventually pass, and we who HATE THE RW and LOVE THE LEFT will still be here.

[spag68]

80. DU flame wars

I've been here quite awhile, and I've always found your posts to be insightful and level headed. As a senior citizen, I can only offer this message, Stress is the enemy. Thats been my mantra for a long time and it has helped me through some trying times. You're a good doobie redstone and I'm pretty sure you will be around when many of the trolls and flame posters are gone. All the real dems. will help to get these criminals out of office, better times are coming.

[OwnedByFerrets]

81. Gladly Kicked and Recommended

[MissDeeds]

82. K & R

Well said, Redstone.

:kick:

[Barrymores Ghost]

84. Many fuckin' thanks -- K & Fuckin' R

Fuckin' A. I've been trying to fucking say this fucking shit for some fucking time, only not with a fucking top-post.

A-fucking-men to you, and can we all just fucking get along, for fuckity-fuck's fucking sake?

Fuck.

[RestoreGore]

85. Agreed. Thanks.

[Danger Mouse]

86. Oh, I've been persuaded alright.

Persuaded that Hillary and Obama are both fantastic candidates, they both just happen to have a lot of supporters on DU that are some of the most stunningly immature people I've ever encountered.

[Milly]

87. This forum has become tedious, boring, pathetic, and worst of all, irrelevant

Why do so many people on this site scream at new posters ? They get called all sorts of things on this site . WHY?
I prefer to lurk as the name calling is so uncalled for,
I can't understand why if you are a newbie and against somebody's candidate You are a dumb ass and uneducated.
Shit i'm a collage graduate and housewife, I dislike Sen Clinton and Former Pres.Clinton he was a good president but I hate his morals ,I'm sorry but thats my opinion.

GO OBAMA

[bluhoodie]

91. Another post proving Redstone's point

More pointless and irrelevant "I dislike" and "I hate" whines... Give it a rest.
And college is not spelled with an "a". <sigh>

[rove karl rove]

93. we do?

that's NOT been my experience, all they've done to is ignore me or welcome me, lol.

[autorank]

88. That's just part of the charm. I've noticed things picking up significantly

...over just the past two weeks. Back to the great finds in the MSM cauldron, some interesting ideas, etc.

Besides, where else will the Democrats go to see their candidates vetted. The "blue sky" acceptance and challenges, of any real nature, aid in identifying weak points that will be exploited (count on it).

So take your "experience" and get on the "hope" train for a better tomorrow;)

So you're gone but if you come back, that means you were lurking, which means you're really notouta here, yo9u're just a "little disappointed and upset." Relax, listen to some Muzak and enjoy one of the better narratives on the decline and fall of the empire based on "exceptionalism."

Here's a place you might like http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/

[McCamy Taylor]

90. Agreed! I challenge people to start posting campaign strategy against McCain.

That will make this forum relevant again.

[go west young man]

92. For anything of depth and relevance I recommend the

editorial section of DU. Your right about the candidate silliness. DU was a lot more in depth a few years ago. It's become a lot more mainstream in the last few years hence the crap topics we seem over run with lately. The fact that the candidates the media has chosen for us are all gonna give the Bush admin a free pass on their war crimes doesn't help moral here either.

[stevietheman]

94. Now that your "inevitable" candidate has run out of gas... :) n/t

n/t

[Skittles]

102. EXHIBIT NUMBER ONE

is it some sort of fucking disease?????

[mtnsnake]

95. This forum has become polluted with an incredible infestation of Repukes, mostly hiding behind Obama

in disguise as being supporters of his, when all they are really here to do is belittle anyone named Clinton. That much is obvious because no true Democrat would ever say the things about the Clintons that are said here on this forum by so many of Obama's so-called "supporters".

Karl Rove couldn't have planned it any better himself.

[Redstone]

98. Prove my point, much?

Redstone

[Skittles]

103. LOL........Redstone

:thumbsup:

[mtnsnake]

109. No, but you're doing a nice job of it, thank you

mtnsnake

[rosesaylavee]

96. Yes.

I agree. See you in the Lounge.

[Nihilistic]

97. With all due respect, what else did you expect? That's the nature of politics and blogs.

I suspect the forum hasn't devoled, but rather you matured a little.

[ekwhite]

99. I can't disagree with you on this one, Redstone

This forum is getting mighty hard to read, with all of the arguments between the Clinton supporters and Obama supporters. They are both good candidates, and we can discuss their policies and why or why not they are the best candidate to go up against John McCain without all of the ad hominem attacks and invective.

[Bitwit1234]

100. REMEMBER when you used to come and get breaking news

you didn't hear on the TV, in the MSM or newspapers. I really enjoyed it, now I just look it over once a day. Tonight I'm waiting for the Top Ten. There is so much Hillary bashing you can't see anything else.

[Skittles]

101. I AGREE

as someone who sees both candidates as flawed (OK, freaking HUMAN), I'm tired of the MY CANDIDATE IS ALL THAT crap. Just SICK OF IT. NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS ALL THAT! Can we get back to the issues?

[demonsweat]

104. everybody sucks and we're all assholes

[Skittles]

106. speak for yourself, please

:rofl:

[Redstone]

107. Thank you so much for your contribution. I'm sure that DU will be a MUCH better place

because of your presence.

Redstone

[Eurobabe]

113. but issues are boring, poo flinging is more fun

:

[Bongo Prophet]

108. Redstone, you are a great DUer, and I am honored to be your ally. And yes, the trolls thrive for now

Some may burn out and leave soon, others will stay on to do their mischief through the election.
Those of us who tried to maintain a level of discourse worthy of our time - many of whom have posted in this thread - are pulling back to let the sharks devour each other.
Some are finding other settlements upstream of the toxicity, or setting up camps in the mountains. The air is clear there, and one can hunt and fish and sow seeds of thought. Sometimes one needs to strike out to build a place where we can learn and teach and give comfort to each other...

I look forward to seeing you and others of like mind in those unsoiled lands.

Thank you for putting up a good struggle.
After all we have been through after the coup, we should see the dawn from a peak and not a valley.
Much less a swamp.


We'll be in touch.

[Redstone]

110. May I offer one minor clarification? I actually WILL be checking in here, now and again,

for the specific purpose of trying to help fight the Troll Tide.

Redstone

[Eurobabe]

111. I'm about to say toodles myself and stay in the

photo group, pets forum. Anywhere but Goddamn Politics.

[Redstone]

114. You re-name this forum "God Damn: Politics?" PERFECT. The beer's on me if we ever meet.

Redstone

[Eurobabe]

117. Thanks Redstone!

:toast: :toast:

Right now it's Goddamn Primaries. :rofl:

[Bonobo]

112. This should be pinned to the top og GDP and at the end of everyone's posts.

[Redstone]

115. Thank you for your support (seriously). I'm going to wade in here now and again to

help the real DUers (like you and the others who know who they are) and the Mods with the unceasing battle of "Whack-A-Troll."

THAT much, I can contribute, even if I can't deal with the other stuff.

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[elixir2]

116. Once again, an Obama supporter picks up his toys and goes home.

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118. That's pretty lame. You don't have anything better than that?

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