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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:35 PM
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We need a response to the anti-$87 billion commercial * is airing
* is airing a new ad that attacks Kerry for voting against the $87 billion blank check. DUers, we need to counter-punch at * and knock Rove to the ground. Attack the media whores and take no prisoners!
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:36 PM
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1. Divide $87 billion by the number of
dead soldiers.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:38 PM
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2. I kinda like them reminding people that Smirk
Pulled that $87 billion number out of his ass after he convinced the country to invade Iraq in a free cake-walk.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:38 PM
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3. The Bush Admin wanted the 87 Billion for Haliburton!
Who rips off the taxpayer and then doesn't even pay its tax bill. Every single spending bill of this administration is a billion dollar welfare check for some Enron or Haliburton.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:41 PM
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4. DBunker
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doubleyoi Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:45 PM
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5. wasn't only
some small percentage of that ACTUALLY going to be used "for the troops" and the WH resisted giving an actual accounting of how the remaining funds would be dispersed. I seem to remember it was par for the course for the BushLeaguers, demand money, defame anyone who asks what you're going to do with it. This was the first real spine the Dems started to show.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:51 PM
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6. See & Use FACTCHECK.ORG
Did Kerry Vote "No" on Body Armor for Troops?

Yes, along with $87 billion worth of other things. But Bush didn't send enough in the first place.

March 16, 2004

Modified:March 16, 2004
Summary



Bush-Cheney '04 launched a new attack ad against Kerry in West Virginia on March 16, calling him "wrong on defense" because he voted against last year's $87-billion supplemental appropriation to support military operations and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The ad characterizes that as voting "against funding our soldiers." It shows Kerry casting specific "no" votes on body armor for troops, higher combat pay and health-care benefits for reservists, all of which were in fact included in the bill.

But it is also true, as Kerry has been saying, that Bush sent US troops to Iraq with too little of the best-grade body armor to equip all who needed it.
Analysis



The Bush ad says Kerry "voted . . . for military action in Iraq" and then "voted against funding our soldiers." In fact, Kerry did vote October 11, 2002 to grant Bush authority to use military force against Iraq at his discretion, and a year later Kerry also voted against Bush's request for $87 billion to fund military operations and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush-Cheney '04 Ad

"Troops"

Bush: I’m George W. Bush and I approve this message.

Announcer: Few votes in Congress are as important as funding our troops at war. Though John Kerry voted in October of 2002 for military action in Iraq , he later voted against funding our soldiers.

Senate Clerk: Mr. Kerry:

Announcer: No.

Announcer: Body armor for troops in combat.

Senate Clerk: Mr. Kerry:

Announcer: No.

Announcer: Higher combat pay.

Senate Clerk: Mr. Kerry:

Announcer: No.

Announcer: And, better health care for reservists and their families…

Senate Clerk: Mr. Kerry:

Announcer: No.

Announcer: Wrong on defense.

The ad strains the facts in some places. Granting Bush the authority to use force is not exactly the same thing as favoring its actual use, for one thing (though Kerry had a difficult time convincing many Democratic voters of that.) And Kerry did not cast separate "no" votes on popular items contained in the $87-billion package, as the ad depicts him doing. There was one vote on the entire package.

"No" on Body Armor?

Nevertheless, the bill Kerry opposed did contain $300 million requested by the Pentagon to buy best-grade body armor for all troops in Iraq, and also contained additional combat pay and health benefits for reservists called to active duty.

But it's also true that as many as 40,000 US troops were sent to Iraq without the best-grade body armor. Frontline troops had the new vests, containing ceramic plates that can stop assault-rifle bullets, while others had only older designs that offered protection mainly against shrapnel and lower-velocity projectiles.

At a House Appropritions subcommittee hearing Sept. 24, 2003, Army Gen. John Abizaid, chief of the U.S. Central Command, did not dispute the estimate that 40,000 troops were without the newer design, and said the $300 million was needed to buy more of the vests.

Abizaid: Now, I can't answer for the record why we started this war with protective vests that were in short supply. But I can tell you that by November, every soldier that's serving in Iraq will have one. It's very important.

Bush campaign aides say their ad is in part a reaction to Kerry's recent criticisms of Bush on that very point. In a radio address on March 7, for example, Kerry said Bush sent troops "into harm's way without enough firepower and support," and the the Pentagon had only recently started making armored door kits to protect Humvee occupants from roadside ambushes.

Kerry: Even more shocking, tens of thousands of other troops arrived in Iraq to find that - with danger around every corner - there wasn't enough body armor

In a telephone conference call with reporters March 16, a Bush aide said Kerry is living in a "parallel universe," criticizing the President for failing to provide enough body armor while voting against a bill to provide money to buy more.

On March 15 Kerry gave his most recent explanation of his vote on the $87-billion measure, in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters:

Kerry: And I might add, that vote for the $87 billion, which was was a vote to change our policy and get other nations involved and get other people on the ground and take the target off of American troops by sharing the responsibility, it was also a vote that took place long after they already committed the troops, long after they should have had the equipment that they needed.

For the record, the body-armor money amounted to just over 1/3 of 1 percent of the $87 billion supplemental bill that Kerry opposed.
Sources



U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session (H.J.Res. 114) Vote #237 11 Oct 2002.

Senate Roll Call Votes 108th Congress - 1st Session S. 1689 (Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Security and Reconstruction Act, 2004) Vote #400 17 Oct. 2003.

Patrick Healy, “In Swipe At Bush, Kerry Says Us Troops In Iraq Ill Prepared” Boston Globe 7 March 2004: A13.

US Congress, House Appropriations Committee; Subcommittee On Foreign Operations, Export Financing And Related Programs, “Hearing On Reconstruction Portion Of Iraq Supplemental,” 24 Sept 2003.

Richard Sisk: “G.I.s Short On Protection Lack New Body Armor To Stop Iraq Sniper Attacks” NY Daily News 28 Sept 2003: A22.

U.S. Senator John Kerry “Remarks At The International Association Of Fire Fighters Conference” Washington DC 15 March 2004.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 07:23 PM
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7. Wesley Clark. eom
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 07:31 PM
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8. Bush is right
No body armor? Cutting combat pay, family pay, veterans benefits?

Bush is right, this is wrong on defense. So why did he support cutting combat pay, family pay, and veterans benefits? And why didn't he make sure the troops had body armor before they ever went into Iraq? Troops were sitting in Kuwait for 6 full months before they were deployed.

Is paying for defense now instead of passing it off to our children wrong? Then why wouldn't the Republicans rescind 1% of the tax cut to the top 1% in order to pay for defense. Like responsible adults ought to be more than willing to do. Like John Kerry wanted to do.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:01 PM
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9. I don't think the American people wanted that 87B spent anyways.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 08:02 PM by alcuno
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Oct. 26-29, 2003. N=1,207 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS Intersearch.

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"Earlier this year, Congress approved spending 79 billion dollars to help pay for the war in Iraq and the rebuilding effort there. George W. Bush has now called for spending 87 billion dollars more. Do you support or oppose this additional spending for the war and rebuilding in Iraq?"
Support Oppose No Opinion
10/26-29/03 34 64 2
9/26-29/03 36 62 2
9/10-13/03 38 61 1


10/26-29 64% opposed
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:55 PM
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10. Kick!
BTW send that poll to the Kerry campaign.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 11:19 PM
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11. an ad stating the $87billion were used for a $2trillion taxcut to the rich
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 11:20 PM by flaminbats
money that could be made available to our soldiers if the rich would pay their share! That was a taxcut Kerry opposed, but the Whitehouse signed.

In the background Bush's state of the union would be played when he called on all to sacrifice...:spank:
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