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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:48 PM
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Hillary's spokesperson, Wolfson, says the plagiarism attack is working.
He just said it on Ed Schultz. He said it is working because of all the attention. This is just silly.

He says he has enormous respect for Pelosi, so he won't say a bad word about her...and her comments about not counting FL and MI.

He kept using the word "seat" in relation to the FL and MI delegates. He did not say more. Are they backing down from asking they be counted?

He seemed so happy that the plagarism attack is working.

I don't care for the people surrounding Hillary Clinton. There are probably some surrounding Obama I might not care for either. I did not like some who surrounded Howard Dean either. But I know for sure I find Penn, Wolfson, and Carville most annoying.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:51 PM
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1. I could only listen to part of him
He is indeed very annoying.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:52 PM
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2. I guess we'll see
if it is or it isn't by 9 tonight-if it is-I'd be real proud that being a SCUMBAG paid off you know if I was Wolfson
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:53 PM
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4. and this speaks volumes about the candidate for
whom he works. Slime, ooze, filth and dirt...

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:53 PM
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3. It is Working. Obama's Lead in the Gallup Tracking Poll is now at 1 down from 7 the day beffore
Hillary won Monday's numbers. This is sticking and Wolfson is a slimey Piece of Shit
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:17 PM
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33. A 3-point shift - that's not that unusual, right?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:20 PM
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34. Never seen it do this on a day that wasnt following a primary.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:22 PM
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35. Thanks.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:07 PM
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54. OMG! Three point! Pack it up! It's f**king over.
:eyes:
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:37 PM
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41. Rasmussen daily poll shows no movement....
+4 Obama today
has been +3, or + 4 Obama since Feb. 16th

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:42 PM
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46. Rasmussen is not as good of a polling company as Gallup
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:54 PM
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5. Is Wolfson really part of the Clinton campaign?
Because yesterday they were denying any part of the phony plagiarism lie.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:09 PM
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25. Wolfson is a main advisor and confidant.
He is the one she "loaned" to Ned Lamont in CT. Swan was kicked off to the side and Lamont went on vacation. Good tactics? No.

I don't trust him.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:50 PM
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60. It was backfiring yesterday. Today their internals tell them its working.
Wolfson is a sonuvabitch.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:54 PM
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6. the plagarism attack is working

Obama is finished. Through. This will sink him.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:05 PM
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53. Wait there. Don't be so quick to write his OBIT. Let's wait for the voting, shall we?
:evilgrin:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:55 PM
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7. I hope he's proud
if his "girl" wins the nomination and loses the GE.

Fuck them and their right wing rovian bullshit.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:57 PM
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11. Well, I hope his "girl" Hillary Mondale enjoys her little "bump."
Because she's a loser and a hypocrite.

If anyone has plagiarized, it's her.

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:38 PM
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55. You've got that right.




Peace:thumbsup:
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:55 PM
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8. That's because it goes to the core
Of Obama's phony candidacy. I know the kool-aid drinking Obamaniacs can't see this, but Obama hasn't exactly closed the deal with millions of potential voters who still have to weigh in. Any thing that gives the slightest pause and causes them to take a second look is a good thing from the Clinton camp's perspective.

Anything that causes voters to ask, "Well, who is this guy, really? And what really has he done, besides give some inspiring speeches, some of which aren't even his own?" works to Clinton's advantage and to the messiah's disadvantage.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:04 PM
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21. hookay troll...
fucking douchebag
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:08 PM
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wow
no there's an informed well stated political argument...:rofl:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:15 PM
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29. yeah, that's all the response these "hyuck cult hyuck cult phoney hyuck messiah " trolls deserve
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 02:15 PM by dionysus
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:09 PM
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24. Anything goes eh? Anything???
Do you hear what you are saying? And do you understand that this is at the core of why many people do not like your candidate?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:55 PM
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9. They are pathetic.
I will not vote for them.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:56 PM
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10. Are these people really that far out of touch?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:58 PM
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12. MSNBC has had Wolfson on numerous times today.
They're really helping Camp Clinton push this story.

I don't recall seeing anyone from Camp Obama on to offer their point of view. The last time Wolfson was on, MSNBC followed up with the NBC/MSNBC reporter assigned to the Obama campaign. He said he heard Obama give the speech in question and was *shocked* to learn that those weren't his words.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:59 PM
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13. I got the impression that Wolfson
Was suggesting that Hillary was seceding Florida to the republicans in the GE and that they wouldn't pursue it any more. I felt he was trying to say once we have the GE Hillary can win without florida.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:59 PM
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14. I'm happy it's working too!!!!
and this will not be the last time we see this video on you tube. If he wins the nomination mcain will use it...and if he loses the nomination the speech will be his Howard Dean (yeaaaah) moment.

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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:01 PM
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17. I'm glad you're "happy" it's working.
Let's see how "happy" you are when McCain takes the Oath of Office in 2009 if "your girl" wins.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:24 PM
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37. If she wins the nomination Obama can inspire everyone in the
country to vote for her with his "words" so i'm not worried about mcain. just kidding come on either candidate can beat old man mccain Nobama is no slam dunk against mccain...if he was THAT good of a candidate how come Hillary is still in this race down by only 40-something delegates with what seems like the everyone against her. Nobama has gotten a pass from the media just wait till they turn on him in the GE then it's a whole different ball game.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:39 PM
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43. Fuck that shit and fuck the smear attacks
of the fucking hilarys.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:01 PM
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48. You disgust me. (eom)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:01 PM
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18. What about this one? Any response from you?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:00 PM
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15. It won't work.
There's simply too much time between the next contests. Once the voters get to know the candidates better, this shit just disappears.

It's hard to read much into the national polls anyway as the contests become hyper-focused. They just don't represent OH, TX and PA.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:00 PM
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16. It could still backfire. Hill "borrows" words and phrases too.
Check out this DUer's thread. You can't sling slime without getting some on yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4661949
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:01 PM
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19. So, if you have a speech writer it is great to quote word for word
their words..... A candidate is not required to tell us these words they are speaking are not really their words, just some that have been bought and paid for...

The media is busy, busy trying to whip up some good press to get the people to pay attention to their blather. Sad isn't it?

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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:02 PM
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20. So this is proof-positive that it originated with the Clinton campaign
Weren't they denying it just yesterday? I have a hard time understanding why anyone would trust her to run the country... :banghead: :puke:
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:42 PM
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56. And proof it has no substance whatsoever (n/t)
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:05 PM
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22. Obamaniacs just don't get it
What does Obama really have to offer except the pose of "authenticity." That's it, really. No concrete accomplishments. No strikingly new policy proposals. No depth of experience. Nothing, really. They got in the Senate in a cake walk against a carpet-bagging joke of a candidate and then almost immediately started running for the presidency. On the basis of what, exactly?

Well, he gives a good speech and he's kind of a blank slate onto which one can project all of one's hopes and aspirations. This plagiarism think breaks just the teeny is crack in that pose of authenticity. But once that starts to crack there is simply no there, there, no real basis for his candidacy.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:08 PM
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23. Let me turn your argument around.
What does Hillary really have to offer except being married to a former president? Don't give me that "35 years of experience" crap. It won't work.

As for her "pamphlet" on managing the economy, she couldn't even manage her own campaign. I sure as hell wouldn't trust her with fixing the economy.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:11 PM
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27. And Hillary offers....
More of the same DLC focus-group tested bullshit that helped get us in this mess we are in now. Give me hope over the same old swill.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:12 PM
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28. I not one of those.....I am still a Deaniac.
They made fun of him and of us as well. I am so used to it. Now Dean people are leading major campaigns throughout the country, doing the work for the party and not just being talking heads.

We voted for Obama, to show our upset with Hillary trying to get FL delegates.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:11 PM
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26. That's all they want...for it to "work"
They don't care about its validity, but its utility. It's disgusting.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:16 PM
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30. what happens when the news cycle
starts to repeat michelle obamas statement about having never been relly proud of her country before....they're gonna love that message in texas and ohio.....
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:16 PM
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31. I wonder what the Money situation is in both camps.
I haven't heard anything on that aspect for a few days now.

Penn and Wolfson are absolutely horrible. Senator Clinton ought to demand a refund.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:23 PM
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36. 15 million online in 15 days for Clinton
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/02/15m.html">story here.

I'm sure Obama is pulling in at least as much dough. Plus I think Clinton had a big fundraiser in Texas, getting it the old-fashioned way.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:17 PM
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32. "It's working, I swear! Please don't fire me"
:rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:03 PM
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51. Precisely! WTF is ol harold the lying smearing asshole
gonna say? That "oooop's it's not working..back to the war room"?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:25 PM
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38. Howard Wolfson couldn't sell ice at the equator. He's an idiot.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:33 PM
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39. I am so thankful at times like this I don't get CNN or MSNBC....
I really believe this will come back to bite Hillery. Voters are really getting tired of canidates going negative. Do they really think most voters are not smart enough to see through this ?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:34 PM
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40. Just like the "surge"?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:38 PM
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42. Working where, on whom?
These people are just desperate. Maybe he thinks it's working because the MSM is blabbering about it non-stop? I don't know I have stayed away from the TV today, I need a break from all the bullshit.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:40 PM
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44. He sounded proud.
I haven't had the TV on today.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:03 PM
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50. I'm just watching stuff I TiVo'd
staying away from MSM today.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:40 PM
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45. Here's the test of whether it's working
If Hillary says "My opponent offers words and not even his own words. I offer solutions."

The campaign won't put this plagiarism charge in Hillary's mouth unless they believe it is really hitting home. Otherwise, they will leave it to staffers and not even her main surrogates on the trail will pursue it.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:46 PM
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47. If it's working, people are even dumber than I think they are
It's a non-story.

I support Clinton, and I am about as unmoved by this "scandal" as the one involving Tony Rezko.

I admire that she's fighting till the end. Her fighting spirit is one of the things I like most about her. But she is throwing wild punches. If her advisors think she's connecting, they are either high or full of shit.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:03 PM
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49. IMO, Wolfson is a smarmy POS on par with Mark Penn and KKKarl Rove.
:puke: :thumbsdown:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:04 PM
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52. Wolfson is a sniveling liar who will go as low as he can go to distort Obama's record
He is scum. I heard the interview and he continued to spin on the faux issue.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:44 PM
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57. He's right. It's working to show how LITTLE Hillary has to say about ANYTHING...
...other than "Obama is kicking my pant-suited ass all over the map and because I have no ideas myself and have the crossover appeal of a dead leper I'll just attack him on some inane bullshit that no-one cares about"....

Yeah, THAT part is working out fine...

What a mucking foron...

:eyes:

Oh and he can try and seat as many FL and MI delegates as he wants, she STILL won't have enough for the nomination...They're dead-even in TX...and a tiny lead in OH...Sorry Hilltards, it aint' gonna be enuff using ANYONE'S math...


Buh-bye!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:44 PM
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58. And now the Clinton reps. are claiming they agree with Obama that words ARE important...
What bull! If they had never said "words are cheap" Obama would never have USED those lines in his speech! :eyes:
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:48 PM
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59. Yay! poo flinging, cynicism, and devisiveness is coming back!
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:49 PM by cottonseed
Now we're back to the politics of old, what a relief.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:51 PM
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61. Wolfson says, "I'm trying to make it work, now."
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:55 PM
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62. Good, he has a job for 2 more weeks. After that he can go back to the Enquirer magazine
And peddle his lies about Lindsay Lohan.

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