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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:35 PM Original message |
Clinton's struggle vexes feminists. To some, her skills losing out to style |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. And I wish like hell that potential voters would stop looking at the Presidency ... |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. AA's are not looking at it in the way you are wishing women would but I am |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. And I think that was the point the poster was making |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. my reply was not to the OP |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yep - I was speaking to your response to LakeSamish706 |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. If Hillary was not the wife of ex-president Bill, |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Well-said. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. If FDR hadn't been related to TR, he never would have gotten any of his first 3 jobs. |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The country is way overdue for a female president |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Indeed. I don't think folks have a problem voting for a woman, just not THIS particular woman |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Hell, I'd vote for Michelle. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
51. If you want a woman President, give me a woman worth voting for |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. If she wasn't the wife of Bill C, she'd be Harriet Myers |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. What makes you think she wouldn't have been a senator from Illinois? nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. OTOH, if Hillary was not the wife of ex-president Bill, |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. spoken like a man |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Word up. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
55. However, it's not just that time frame that's killing her. Let's face it, |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
64. How soone we forget that Bill Clinton along with his bright wife was the 'Change" |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. Older feminists are not doing their candidate any good. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. What is it with you and ageism? You just won't stop, will you? |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Lots of "'isms" thrown up around here. Sounds more like excuses to me |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Um, no... implying that feminists who don't support Obama |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. she will when she is better read and better informed. which will probably be 20 years hence. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
70. Nope, this girl must think that she's going to stay young for ever. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
72. To be young and naive again... No thanks! |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. what do you mean by that? also thats a severely bigoted comment. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
57. . |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hillary is not a good candidate. If she were not Bill's wife, if she were a man ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Measure that comment up against the insane/ignorant W Bush as son of Poppy--??? |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Hell, I said it. Plenty of moderates did. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. OK -- keep in mind that he supposedly got "elected" and "re-elected" . . . |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. In the American political system |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. I heard it constantly. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. and they were right about Bush, Jr. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. that's a nonsensical Non sequitur |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
63. . |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think her style is fine. But, then again, I just ADORE Michael Dukakis. nt |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
61. . |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. What the hell, the taller candidate always wins. Just like Dukakis....we're heightists. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Except that GOP fanatics are about to elected a short, old, pink guy . . !!! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. i think she was let down by the people around her |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. who chose those people? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. it`s about judgments is`t it..and she is failing |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. exactly |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. except that campaigning is also a test of skills, and she's doing badly at that... |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's very simple: Clinton has run a bad campaign, plagued with problems, gaffes, and bad strategy. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. HRC is NOT a Leader. She has intelligence but her micro-management and self-righteous secrecy |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
59. ! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think in some ways she's running an anti-feminist campaign |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Have you been channeling my Mom?! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Maybe.... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
65. . |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
25. Fauxminism |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Amen brother - great post |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. "rigid dogma where ideology wins out over rationality and common sense" |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. Reminds me of the ERA vote in Florida in '77(?)... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The ERA was one of my earliest political memories... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. I am under 30 (hence wasn't around for the debate on it) |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
28. What "decades" of experience? |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Being married to the president = being the president, didn't you know!?! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. In that case, I'm writing in the white house sous chef. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
46. hyper-substantive career? on what planet? |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. . |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
48. What bizarre spin. Obama has more years in elected office. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
52. "hyper-substantive career" |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
60. Interesting take, but I disagree with the premise that Sen. Clinton's |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
62. Yeah, it's unfair to judge a politician based on style, what good is that in politics |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
66. Are they mildly vexed or sorely vexed? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
67. Thanks for the comment from a Canadian feminist! |
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Obamaniac (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
68. This is more Clinton's as victims bullshit |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
69. My objection to Clinton's candidacy has nothing to do with her gender. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
71. To me this election will go down as the year we chose style over substance. |
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