Obama camp criticizes Clinton for photo

[BuyingThyme]

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"On the very day that Sen. Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

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http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/25/obama_camp_criticizes_clinton_for_photo/9006/

[maddiejoan]

1. kk

"I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said in a teleconference with reporters. "None of us have seen the e-mail in question. If anybody has independent reporting that they've done on it I would welcome it."

[tabatha]

6. Listen to Mike Malloy tonight.

[maddiejoan]

16. Why?

Will he change my mind?

[tabatha]

55. Actually, possibly tomorrow.

His equipment went fizz.

[TheDebbieDee]

8. So, the Obamacans can once again benefit from their fake outrage!

[ristruck]

13. Yeah Right.....

All convicts on death row are all innocent too if you talk to them and their supporters. Keep drinking the gender based kool aid.

[maddiejoan]

15. huh?

that made zero sense.

what are you saying?

gender based Koolaid?

:wtf:

[ristruck]

23. Read On

Read my post titled "Just Imagine". I am angry. I just got a chance to review the news of the day and this was my first exposure to this story. I think this kind of crap is dirty politics. I have no idea if you believe the Clinton lies based on gender bias or not. For accusing you of that I apologize. It was a knee jerk reaction. If you read my post later on you will see that I think this kind of behavior fits with the MO I have seen so far from the Clinton camp.

[BuyingThyme]

17. Moot point after her official statement.

I've never even cared about whether or not they were behind the emailing because it doesn't matter anymore.

[Double T]

2. Why is the obama camp getting their feathers ruffled?

obama is in his native country's costume garb. obama and his supporters should be proud.

[BuyingThyme]

4. His supporters are proud. But Hillary is a racist.

[Double T]

9. C'mon. YOU can do better than playing the weak, cheap race card routine.

Try again, this time make it something original....with substance.

[BuyingThyme]

10. I'm 100% serious. There's no other explanation.

Her campaign released a formal statement and pretended not to know anything about any racists using those pictures for racist purposes. They pretended not to know the difference between Barack sporting African garb and Hillary sporting African garb. I know they're liars.

[ristruck]

18. Just Imagine

Just simply try to imagine the outrage if this was released during the GE right before November election. We would ALL cry fowl and racism of the worst sort. DO NOT BE NAIVE. The Clinton's have played the race card all along. They tried to make him seem like a "black candidate". Bill compared him to Jesse Jackson. You would have to be naive beyond belief to not believe that this came from them.

[BuyingThyme]

19. It doesn't even matter because we know from where their statement came.

[maddiejoan]

27. Okay

Where is your evidence that this came from the Clinton camp?

[ristruck]

34. Common Sense

And a track record of using race. She has motive, to win at all costs. She has opportunity, a top down machine like none other in presidential politics. She has a record, she and her surrogates have used race more than once, so clearly she is not above this kind of thing. Is there a smoking gun? Nah..But a boatload of circumstantial evidence that all points one way. Who do you think did it? Ralph Nadar?

[maddiejoan]

36. How about the obvious.

Matt Drudge.

[ristruck]

39. Yeah....

And who leaked it to him? This could go on all night. You wanna know why people are excited about Obama? They perceive that he will be a leader who will help us get beyond these kind of prejudices. The same prejudices the Clinton's have tried to exploit in other venues. I do not hear you defending that do I?

[maddiejoan]

40. leaked it to him?

It's been on the web since 2006 and was just published in the National Examiner 3 weeks ago.

[ristruck]

43. Drudge is a snake.

People who play race politics are snakes. If you have a track record of hanging around with snakes, and playing the games snakes play, then you should not feign surprise that those of us who can add 2 plus 2 and get four would think the way we do. The timing of this is incredible, especially prior to the Texas primary where she is now behind. This has a Rovian feel to it.

I still have not heard you defend their obvious use of race in this campaign. I have read your posts and do respect your intellect. I cannot wait to hear your defense of their behavior as it relates to playing the race card.

[maddiejoan]

49. Yeah it does feel Rovian

and the timing IS suspect.

That's why I find it so interesting that the Obama camp immediately pounced on Hillary.

Who was likely to know more about this photo op?

Who does the Drudge article hurt more?

Want my defense of the race-baiting, here goes --but you won't like it and it's classic Rove.

Rove strategy mandates that you attack a candidate on their strength.

Obama has been using Rovian tactics of painting the Clinton's as racist through this whole campaign. Apparently you have bought it hook line and sinker.

This picture was a plant by the Obama campaign --same as the 4 page memo of cherry-picked quotes of 'racist' comments.

The Clintons have always been good on race --but thanks to Rovian style slime coming from Ploufe and Axelrod, the Clintons history of being strong in their support of the AA community has been tarnished like John Kerry's war record.

That's how Rove plays.

[ristruck]

52. Interesting Post

We will agree to disagree. I look forward to reading your posts in the future. Thank you for accepting my apology on the gender comment. I pray this gets over soon. Regardless of how slimy politics is, the Democrats represent the best chance to solve the big problems we face. I will cheer and raise a toast if she gets the nomination. I will cheer louder if he does. Have a nice evening.

[maddiejoan]

53. You too

Bottom line in the end --we want the same things :)

[lumpy]

44. Everyone who pretends to be a Democrat should be aware

of Matt Drudge's dirty little underhanded tactics.

[ristruck]

50. Pretends?

Please enlighten me as to the meaning of this? As I have said, I do know Drudge is a snake. I have seen race politics used by the Clintons. Are they guilty by association? Maybe not in a court of law. But if you have a track record in this arena it makes it awfully easy for the average cat like me to draw this conclusion. This does not make me a pretend Democrat. I just am calling it like I see it. At the point of now creating some potential ill will I will move on.

My reason for being on here is to hope for a better America for my kids. I am in a mixed race family. I despise racism. I could tell you some amazing stories of how hurtful racism is. I do hope for a better day under a leader who can potentially help us transcend race. Am I naive to hope for this? It has been my experience that the type of people who misuse race in any way are not the kind of people I want to follow. I have seen this in this election. Many of us have. I will leave it at that. I do not wish to argue any longer.

[lumpy]

42. Do you know anything about the Drudge report ?

Common knowledge is that Drudge is devious and not to be trusted to tell it like it is. There has been absolutely no proof shown that Clinton or her campaign is behind submiting a picture to Drudge report. Some people believe anything, especially if it something they want to believe.

[TheDebbieDee]

3. Oh, the poor Obamacans. Once again, they've been

victimized by those horrible, horrible Clintons.

Oh, those poor, poor widdle Obamacans.......:nopity:

Every time the Obama camp claims to have been victimized by the Clinton camp Barack goes up in the polls. How many points will those posers get this time around?

[tabatha]

7. Gosh I must have missed Obama yelling into a microphone.

[rodeodance]

35. then you missed his news conf where he said his mailers were accurate. Fackck says NO

[Occam Bandage]

20. "Shame on you, Barack Obama!"

Never mind that her campaign's first reaction to learning that it had been circulating race-baiting emails was to complain about Obama.

[BlueStater]

5. Whining again I see

This "I'm such a victim" act is getting old.

[DemBones DemBones]

11. This was beaten into the ground all day -- how about

your man's problem of being lauded in a nearly two hour long speech by Louis Farrakhan? You don't think that's going to hurt him with voters?

BTW, there is NO proof anyone in the Clinton campaign had anything to do with the photo being posted on Drudge.

[BuyingThyme]

12. Hitler did the same with blond white people.

[rodeodance]

28. your analogy is shameful

[BuyingThyme]

33. How so? What's the difference?

[rodeodance]

37. I choose not to respond to your question. Your posts on this thread are disgusting

[BuyingThyme]

38. That's right. Run away and blame me for the absurd analogy

that precisely reflects what your ilk keeps posting here.

[rodeodance]

14. Drudge posted, BO believed Drudge, then critized HRC, then Clinton camp said NO--

they had nothing to do with it.


abc downplayed this issue on the evening news. I hope it sinks

[JackORoses]

21. Clinton Camp never said no. Wolfson said "not to his knowledge" and "not that he was aware of"

Perfect Alberto Gonzales non-denial denials

[rodeodance]

26. that a NO

[maddiejoan]

31. Here's Wolfson

"I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said in a teleconference with reporters. "None of us have seen the e-mail in question. If anybody has independent reporting that they've done on it I would welcome it."


Sounds pretty damned definate to me.

[JackORoses]

41. ok, I'll try to help you understand subtlety

"not aware of it....None of us have seen the e-mail "

vs.

"This photo absolutely did not come from our Campaign."


Can you tell any difference in clarity in these statements?

[maddiejoan]

45. Yes I can

Unlike Obama's campaign --Hillary's campaign doesn't make bullshit answers it can't for a fact back up.
That's why I TRUST them.

with that many staffers --sure there is a possibility. What he said absolutely was it wasn't a sanctioned act.

If Wolfson said "Nobody did it" and it turned out some asshole on the staff did do it -- then all of a sudden it's "CLINTON LIES"

Nice trap the Obama campaign wants to set up.

How do you know Ploufe didn't send it to Drudge himself?

[JackORoses]

46. should the asshole staffer(s) be fired?

[maddiejoan]

51. If there is one?

Absolutely.

[Cass]

25. This is playing out like Robert Novak incident awhile back.

Remember when Novak printed a bunch of bull, Obama blamed the Hillary camp who, it turned out, had nothing to do with Novak's rantings? Obama is getting played by these right wing sleaze-masters.

This was the Clinton campaign's response to the Novak incident...

"This is how Republicans work. A Republican-leaning journalist runs a blind item designed to set Democrats against one another. Experienced Democrats see this for what it is. Others get distracted and thrown off their games. Voters should be concerned about the readiness of any Democrat inexperienced enough to fall for this.http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/11/17/162416/73

[rodeodance]

32. I vaguely recall. Yes, BO got taken by the RW! again today. Experince does count

[maddiejoan]

29. same thing Obama did with Novak

attack Hillary first (with no proof) don't even bother to ask questions later.

[lumpy]

48. If BO believed the Drudge Report than he shows poor

judgment in not recognizing that he might have been duped by Drudge the Deceiver who takes great pleasure in lies and deception.

[cd3dem]

22. what is he ashamed of?

[BuyingThyme]

24. That he has to share a stage with Hillary?

[cd3dem]

56. if he is proud of heritage, as am I, then why is he crying foul? and ashamed?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

30. You should stop SmokingThyme ...

It's altered your reality.

[MagsDem]

47. Yeah, 'cause Drudge said so

I'm sorry, but Obama's people are such rank amatuers. Gonna be a little hard for them to deny the veracity of Drudge in the GE when they are embracing his truthful now, isn't it? It's going to go about as good for him as John Kerry denying the SBVT did.

[tabatha]

54. If they are rank amateurs

why is Hillary losing?