Polls show Clinton strategies not working: USA/TX/NC/OH

[grantcart]

Pollster.com

Pollster.com which combines polls and therefore has the largest possible polling sources is showing in state after state that changes in the last few weeks in Clinton campaign strategy are not working. Obama has passed Clinton in the USA poll, the Texas poll, North Carolina Poll and has narrowed significantly in the Ohio poll


http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-Primary.php


http://www.pollster.com/08-TX-Dem-Pres-Primary.php


http://www.pollster.com/08-NC-Dem-Pres-Primary.php


http://www.pollster.com/08-OH-Dem-Pres-Primary.php



BREAKING NEWS PRESS RELEASE FROM CLINTON CAMPAIGN


Rhode Island Officially known as State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations is the state that is most equipped to decide who should be our next president for the following reasons:

-Rhode Island was the first of the thirteen original American colonies to declare independence from British rule

-Rhode Island is one of the most reliably Democratic states during presidential elections, regularly giving the Democratic nominees one of their best showings. In 1980, Rhode Island was one of only 6 states to vote against Ronald Reagan

-In the 1984 Reagan landslide, Rhode Island provided Walter Mondale with his 3rd best performance

- Rhode Island was the Democrats' best state in 1988 and 2000 and 2nd best in 1996 and 2004

-Rhode Island gave John Kerry a greater than 20 percentage point margin of victory (the third highest of any state) with 59.4% of its vote

-All but three of Rhode Island's 39 cities and towns voted for the Democratic candidate

-The Fox show Family Guy takes place in a fictional town in Rhode Island named Quahog

-The nautical nature of Rhode Island's geography pervades its culture. Newport Harbor, in particular, holds many pleasure boats

-A now defunct professional football team, the Providence Steam Roller won the 1928 NFL title

-Fort Adams, on Narragansett Bay, was the setting for the finish of Eco-Challenge 1995.

If Sen. Obama is not able to win in this one of the most Deomocratic States of the Union which is famous for its cultural, athletic, ecological leadership then he should do the party and the country a favor and quit the race

[rsmith6621]

1. Put a Fork in Her......

.....HRC is done and she knows it.......let her enjoy her last flights on HillForce 1....the 737 will be back at ATA in Indy soon.

[workinclasszero]

50. The Anti-Hope will not stop a nation of Hope-mongers!

:party:GOBAMA!!:party:
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

A :hug: for all the idealistic new democrat voters!

We need your strength and vision this fall!

Yes we can change this country!!:patriot::toast:

[Tellurian]

68. After tonight, you can put those polls in the circular files...

Hillary crushed Obama's weak defense mechanisms tonight..He barely kept his head above water trying to defend the wrongful attacks he's been leveling at Senator Clinton with the distorted Health Care Literature sent to Ohioians and Texans regarding her Health Care Plan and NAFTA! She nailed him on both issues leaving Obama wounded and wanting. She was great tonight.

[Blondiegrrl]

73. She was desperate and pathetic.

I can't say with certainty that Hillary won't somehow weasel her way into the Democratic nomination via some backdoor, undemocratic process (much like GWB "won" his spot in the White House) -- but there's no denying she made a fool of herself time and again during last night's debate. Her whining about being asked the first question was bad, but the funniest moment had to have been when Obama lobbed her "denounce/reject" silliness right back at her.

[thevoiceofreason]

2. It's a movement, I tell you.

[antigop]

3. Keep it up, Hillary! n/t

[zulchzulu]

4. Oh the humanity...

[rosetta627]

5. The strategy of demonizing hope is failing?!?!

Go figure.

[tabasco]

30. Denigrating millions of voters is not propelling her to the nomination?

Whooda thunk it?!?

[babylonsister]

6. Oh well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5NtEKI51oU

[Blondiegrrl]

72. OMG! I LOL'd.

:spray:

[BayouBengal07]

7. What the hell, Ohio?

[The Anti-Bush]

42. He was trailing by over 20 wasn't he?

They're catching on.

[Trajan]

8. Nothing has worked for Clinton in 2 months ....

Even as someone who would support her if she won the nomination, I dont see it happening ....

There has been no strategy that has worked, and many that have been tried have HURT her image ...

Frank Rich's opinion piece, 'The Audacity of Hopelessness', nailed it completely : If Hillary cannot run her campaign with any competence, then how can anyone accept her argument that she is most able to lead a nation ?

The mean assed shit from their side has been their downfall .... no one likes that shit ...

Except, of course, the candidate-partisans in DU .... They love that stuff ....

[Thrill]

9. They begged for the debate.......

Careful what you ask for

[Yael]

27. By saying "begged" did you mean "demanded"?

[Johnny__Motown]

10. K&R despite the caps

[grantcart]

12. I know its terrible, so I added a press release as a bonus

[Trajan]

23. It isn't too late ...

... to edit the ALL CAPS ....

[grantcart]

28. good idea now people will think its a new thread lol

[Major Hogwash]

11. Hillary peaked too early - before we got to vote!

Great post as usual.

[ProSense]

13. More:

Tale of the Tape:

CBS News/NYT national poll:

Jan 13: Clinton 42%, Obama 27%
Feb 3: Clinton 41%, Obama 41%
Feb 25: Obama 54%, Clinton 38%

[grantcart]

15. thanks - we have to conserve our threads with so much good news

Did you see the press release from Clinton campaign that I added?

[ProSense]

20. A RI superdelegate supporting Hillary is upset

The afternoon saw a rally at Rhode Island College in Providence. The senator was joined on stage by supporters from Rhode Island's political landscape... but noticably absent was mayor David Cicilline, who has long stood by her.

The rally for was free of picketing by the Providence firefighters, with stalled contract talks. Mayor David Cicilline was asked just days ago by the Clinton campaign to stay home and keep the heat off. Cicilline, a superdelegate, agreed not to appear, but was upset.

link

[grantcart]

26. She loved him on June 14, 2007

Providence Mayor Cicilline Endorses Clinton
Cicilline Will Serve As Rhode Island Campaign Co-Chair
The Clinton Campaign today announced the endorsement of Providence Mayor David Cicilline and named him a Co-Chair of Hillary's Rhode Island campaign.

"Hillary Clinton understands the challenges facing our cities, and she has the experience and vision needed to lead this country from her first day in office," Cicilline said.

Cicilline has made a name for himself as reform-minded mayor intent on modernizing city government and improving neighborhood schools. Under his leadership, Providence's crime rate has dropped to its lowest level in 30 years due to an innovative community policing program, and fiscal integrity has been restored as evidenced by straight-A bond ratings.

Prior to his election as Mayor, Cicilline served four terms as a state representative, championing ethics reform and gun safety. His dedication to transparency and accountability in government earned him Common Cause's #1 ranking.

"Mayor Cicilline is an exciting young leader who has turned Providence around and restored faith in city government again," Clinton said. "I'm honored to have his support as we take our message of change across Rhode Island."

[Debi]

14. And what is the State Motto for Rhode Island???

:P

Look it up.

[grantcart]

16. lol

[SoxFan]

18. LOL

[Jennifer C]

LOL

:spray:

[WillyT]

22. LOL !!!

:bounce:

[saltpoint]

17. grantcart, thanks for posting these graphs. I'm happy that my

candidate is doing well but what's really drawing me with these graphs are all those little orange and purple dots.

They're so fizzly.

[nolabels]

21. I'll drink to that !

:toast:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. My God, If One Ever Needed Proof Of A Gravy Train Effect, That Top Graph Says It All.

That sharp incline is so telling. It shows so clearly how though Obama is good, his recent success is far beyond what he's earned himself, and more a product of this weird cultural phenomenon type thing. Because no matter how much someone likes or respects Obama, you can't look at that graph and tell me he's done anything to THAT level of amazing in the past few weeks. He just hasn't. And since you can see how steady Hillary has been, you can't claim that she's just failed or tanked either. In fact, her graph stability even in the face of his skyrocketing numbers, is quite a tribute to her ability to hang in there. Politics, sometimes, just simply cannot be readily explained.

[grantcart]

24. The odd thing about this is if remember Poli Sci 101

They explain that low positives doesn't mean anything but if a candidate has high negatives there really is very little that can be done.

The reason is that when people answer that they favor someone it could mean anthing from "yeah ok" to "my favorite candidate ever" but it is human instinct not to express a negative opinion about someone unless it is a highly determined and fixed opinion, something like "that candidate is a complete fraud".

When Hillary started this race she favorites/negatives in the 40s. In a field of large candidates 45% is great. Once it became basically a 2 person race (for all practical purposes after Feb 5th) she was doomed. All of the political science experts knew this.

[Forkboy]

29. Exactly...going negative is a double edged sword.

It'll raise your opponents negatives but it also raises your own, and she had virtually no wiggle room on that to start with. Load gun, shoot foot.

[HooptieWagon]

33. True that

And it appears the voters don't much care for the feces-flinging well-poisoning Hillary7.0... of course, if she were going to discuss actual issues she might have to explain her IWR and Kyle/Lieberman votes among so many others.

[Ikonoklast]

69. More like "Ready, Fire, Aim!"

Ready on day one my ass.

After it was apparent there was to be no coronation after Super Tuesday, we found out who was really ready.

[KittyWampus]

34. read about his organizing skills you are so uniformed it's painful. He's got professional organizers

training and educating the grassroots activists in states across the country.

[grantcart]

37. And he has been organizing for 15 years

This article is very good http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/

It turns out organizing in the neighborhood is better than sitting in Senate office.

[Occam Bandage]

39. "His recent success is far beyond what he's earned himself"

Keep telling yourself that. He's nothing special. There's nothing there. He doesn't deserve it. It can't last. He's not that good.

It don't change a thing. We saw this coming a mile off. We knew this would happen. We knew the Democratic party wanted an alternative to Clinton and cynicism. Most voters have a viability threshold; they won't support a candidate--no matter how much they like them--if they don't think they can win. Obama is perhaps the most talented natural politician in a generation. However, due to his youth, he naturally had a high viability threshold.

As he won each contest, his visibility and viability increased; as his viability increased, so did his support, and so he won, and so his viability increased. Politics is a positive feedback loop. And Obama, it seems, has hit escape velocity.

I don't know how high his ceiling is, but he's beating the best political machine of the last two decades and he still hasn't hit his peak.

That's Obama's rise. As for Clinton's fall? That's obvious. She went negative. She started out with 45% unfavorables. She only had to convince 6% of the electorate to dislike her in order to secure a loss. We warned you that her attacks were going to destroy her, even as you beat your chest and cheered her "brilliance."

[grantcart]

41. HRC campaign for President has simply failed to develop a compelling

message on why she should be President. If you did not immediately buy into the inevitability argument there was never a compelling hook for anybody to join that was not already a fan. Her experience arguement was destroyed by her inability to make a clear statement about the IWR vote, admitting the mistake and moving on.

If she repeat she had not been so interested in packaging a product for consumption but rather fired her pollsters and consultants and just put herself out there she would have been the candidate. It happened for a moment in NH and the people responded. The great irony of this campaign season is, that Sen. McCain's prescription of just leaving all of the packagers behind and doing town meetings would have made her a rock star. Can you imagine the media she would have generated by travelling by herself and just talking to people.

So now she has been hanging on after one landslide after another. Please do not take any one instance and make a morality statement out of that. Sen. Clinton has been defeated. She has no hope of winning the nomination without some nuclear event. So now the Obama campaign and everyone else in the party are going to jump on every little mosquito burp to get this done by Mar 4th.

Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and all of the other paid consultants are guilty of campaign malpractice. Rather than settling out of court we have to wait for another jury. Just like any other civil action don't be surprised if the jury on Mar 4th brings in damages that will have a devestating effect on the Clintons. They could have settled some time ago for pennuies.

After Wisconsin this stopped being about Obama winning it is now simply about packing up the circus with as little damage as possible. The ball is in Clinton's court.

[tblue37]

49. Your comment is on the money, grantcart:

Can you imagine the media she would have generated by travelling by herself and just talking to people.

That is essentially what she did when she first ran for Senator from NY, and she ended up winning over a lot of people who had initially bought into the MSM narrative about her.

[ArfDogMNO]

44. one must look beyond the fuzzy dots

and consider which OTHER major candidates might have left the race, such as Edwards. Maybe even correlate the sum of edwards and obama %'s.

"Because no matter how much someone likes or respects Obama, you can't look at that graph and tell me he's done anything to THAT level of amazing in the past few weeks. He just hasn't."

[FlyingSquirrel]

57. In a way you're right, in a way not...

You're right that Obama's numbers immediately took a turn for the better when the rest dropped out (Especially Edwards). However, knowing politics, the fact that he has withstood slime attacks and pretty much everything thrown at him to CONTINUE climbing long after the exit of Edwards is in itself something amazing. It's not anything he's "done", just that he has stayed on message and run a nearly flawless and error-free campaign. The one exception might be Michelle Obama's unfortunate statement - however even in that instance, he showed his ability to easily recover from something that the Kerry campaign, for example, might have misplayed or ignored to their detriment.

[mudesi]

60. LOL!

That wasn't your best.

[Thrill]

25. What would be good. Is for her to say there is no need to debate tonight

"Lets all just get behind, Sen. Obama"

[Forkboy]

31. Didn't need graphs and polls to tell us that. It's obvious to everyone but her supporters.

And I think even some of them know it, too.

[grantcart]

35. its going to be painful to watch

[Scurrilous]

32. Good work!

K & R :thumbsup:

[grantcart]

36. tks

[Eurobabe]

38. Let Clinton keep on doing what she is doing

She'll be toasted after 3/4.

[Jamastiene]

40. They obviously haven't asked anyone in my family...

We are Hillary supporters all the way here in NC, IF, and that's a big hugh, IF, we get to vote in the primary at all. Seems like everyone has already decided before it ever gets to us.

[WolverineDG]

55. Well if she'd had her way

no one after Feb. 5 would have gotten a chance to vote, so why are you complaining about that now?

dg

[FrenchieCat]

43. I think that Hillary's Strategy

of NOPE, you DOPES is working!

[workinclasszero]

51. Hillary's political views in a nutshell!

ROTFLMAO!!:rofl:

Hey who knew that the black hole of hope that is Hillary Clinton wouldn't sell to the american people?:shrug::)




WARNING: You are now entering Hillary Clinton campaign headquarters!

[grantcart]

66. its political malpractice lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4782802&mesg_id=4782802

[Raine]

45. Hillary keep on doing what you're doing

you'll only help Obama get nomination! :evilgrin:

[grantcart]

52. you got it

[AtomicKitten]

46. Wow!! Obama has run a brilliant campaign.

[TexasObserver]

47. Those charts show why Hillary is putting all her eggs in the Ohio basket.

[grantcart]

58. Rhode Island

[sendero]

48. Any moron....

.... would know that HRC going negative was a huge, HUGE GIGANTIC mistake, it plays right into the hands of what people really think about her.

Her vaunted brilliant political instincts are just smoke and mirrors like her support the war with votes - talk it down with rhetoric history.

When I saw that ridiculous "shame on you" bullshit Sunday morning, I broke into a huge grin. It's OVER Hillary, it's over.

[grantcart]

53. Somebody needs to find a moron and send it over to HRC headquarters

[Fire_brand]

54. ha ha

[sendero]

63. Apparently..

.... we are too late. HRC is going double or nothing and the polls are already saying "nothing", Obama has taken the lead in TX.

[hogwyld]

56. Kick

[dcindian]

59. Odd I wonder what changed so drastically

at that sharp down turn for Hillary?

[grantcart]

67. not enough cow bell

[rosetta627]

61. Bummer Billary

Guess you misunderestimated the public.

[FlyingSquirrel]

62. Obama is now within the margin of error for OH

Polls, Feb 23-25

Rasmussen: Clinton 48, Obama 43, MOE 3%
SurveyUSA: Clinton 50, Obama 44, MOE 3.6%
Public Policy: Clinton 50, Obama 46, MOE 4%
ARG: Clinton 49, Obama 39, MOE 4%

All four combined: Clinton 49.25, Obama 43, MOE 3.65%

(If MOE went to Obama, would be Clinton 45.6, Obama 46.65)

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Please, no three stooges pics.

[grantcart]

65. update

[SunDrop23]

64. I think Obama will pretty much steamroll NC. Woo hoo! (n/t)

[greguganus]

70. Lots of Obama08 signs and stickers here.

Only other signs/stickers I have seen up and down the highways is Ron Paul. I know of only 2 Hillary supporters. I think Obama will do great in NC too.

[SunDrop23]

71. Ron Paul? Who's that? hee hee hee (n/t)

[grantcart]

74. where are you ?