How the Hell do I respond tho this????

[napi21]

I received this email from my brother-in-law who was a Marine pilot in Vietnam. I am a Kerry supporter, and I know there's a lot of arrogance in ALL of our Senators, but this is a real tough one to respond to.

What do you think?



I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience. During
my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small
twin-engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan.
On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a
Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) who was also in Kerry's party
to various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the MIA/POW
talks. When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his
sailboat on it. I told him I had a small 27' sailboat in Okinawa, he
remarked 'Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet'. I laughed to
myself and realized this guy was no sailor.

When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the
airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed
it around to his staff. He was never offered any pizza because they were
supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government once we landed. The
pizza would have been our only meal that day. He just never cared to ask.


Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to
the airport. We could not start the engines and therefore the air
conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100
degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse
behind the cockpit windows. When he finally did arrive, we were wringing
out our clothes from the perspiration. He walks out of the air
conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us 'Could you guys get the
air conditioning running, I'm a little warm." The other pilot had to
physically restrain me from going back there and picking a fight.

Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi. After we picked him up
the next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we
taxied out, ran up the engines for takeoff, and noticed that our prop rpm
was vibrating all over the place. We taxied off to the side to look at
it, but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction
and the engine may fail if we took off with it. Well, Mr. Senator sticks
his head up in the cockpit and says 'this plane WILL take - off, I have a
press conference in Bangkok in three hours!"(Maybe this is an indication
of how he will run the FAA). We ran the engines again, and did not have
the problem, so we took off and made it back.

During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small
General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot
remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't
know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little,
single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the 'right stuff'.

After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized
and said basically that he knows Kerry is a jerk and that we should be
glad we don't have to deal with him every day....

Or will we?
WE HAD BETTER GET OUT AND VOTE!!

[mobuto]

1. Easy

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/pizza.asp

[flamingyouth]

2. You beat me to it

I love snopes.

[bedtimeforbonzo]

10. that just leaves it up in the air

undetermined :|

[Desertrose]

11. did you read the entire article?

from your snopes link...I love snopes too :)


Whatever the probity of the e-mailed account, the larger issue isn't whether this specific piece is true, but whether the sentiment it expresses — that Senator Kerry goes through life with his nose in the air, oblivious to the hoi polloi who inhabit his immediate surroundings — is accurate. In regards to that issue, we can confirm that others have reported experiencing similar encounters with Senator Kerry


In case you missed that part...just a little food fro thought...we already have one jerk with that sense of entitlement...I'd sure hate it if we get another

Peace
DR

[sangh0]

13. How weak!

others have reported experiencing similar encounters with Senator Kerry

Let me guess! They're all liberal Democrats

[Hav]

17. Scott Lee,....

And they cited only one other "story" but whenever someone reports something bad about Kerry some here (!) give 100% credence to it.
The intern story should have been a lesson for some peeps.

[mzmolly]

28. Give Scott a break....

sheesh!

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[SquireJons]

18. Come On Now!!!

Who ever said Kerry was perfect? I've never heard anyone say he was a man of the people; he a patrician, plain and simple. But the question must be, will he be a good President? On that score, I'm pretty confident that he will know what he's doing, maybe more so than any Democrat to occupy the White House in a long time. I think Clinton was great - the last 6 years, but the first 2 were rough.

The real no brainer is weather Kerry will do a better job of running America. Believe me, I could do a better job than * (or Cheney, who is the real power behind the crown).

I may not want to hang with Kerry and have a few beers, but I sure as hell want him as President - now would be nice.

[PATRICK]

23. JFK, RFK

The curse of the rich is insensitivity. It is part of the privileged territory more than a moral failing. Would you vote against Kennedy based on his arrogance and lack of appreciation of others' feelings?

If you lived you life surrounded naturally by entitlement you wouldn't understand those working around you were doing anymore than the job- conspicuous only by its absence.

But how does Bush who has gone way way over into wallowing in that life have the nerve to cast the first stone? Easy, an even worse attitude- this time studied and manipulative.

[KissMyAsscroft]

3. Just send him a couple of Bush's finer moments..

Bush drunk off his ass at a wedding, Bush picking his nose, Bush lying through his teeth, Bush looking like a scared little pussy on 9-11...

Than say "We all have choices to make."

[underpants]

4. I got that e-mail the other day

I ignored it. IT probably is a lie or it could be Kerry on a bad day or it could be someone who didn't feel the got the respect they expected.

[Richardo]

5. Ooooo - he was TESTY??? In 100 degree heat in Cambodia?? the BASTARD!!

Alert Drudge! :eyes:

But first, always snopes yo'self.

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. well I'm convinced

I guess I'll be voting for Bush now.

:eyes:

[SquireJons]

19. LOL

...me too!

I'm wiring him all of my money right now...

[aintitfunny]

7. Really, has it come to this?

Nanny Nanny boo boo. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah! He took my lollipop. If this is all they've got, some loser RW whiner's Bad Day in Vietnam, they ain't got much at all. It is truly pitiful, making a big deal out of such small potatoes. The writer apparently needs to get a life.

[preciousdove]

8. Lets see annoying vs vicious....insensitive vs arrogant..

Kerry ticked off some people. Don't know anyone who has done anything that hasn't. But he hasn't murdered anyone, lied about his service or his criminal background nor has his family stole money from the American people.

Shouldn't be that hard.

[HFishbine]

9. Blank

I told you it was blank.

[napi21]

12. Not to a lot of BIN's but it's scary how many other vets!

You guys don't undrstand, I want to be able to go back to him and say, HEY! This is wrong! I just read the article on snoops and it didn't help much. Pretty much said, who knows, keep watching him and you'll see.

The list of contacts at the top of that email was VERY LONG! All I'm trying to do is stop this kind of stuff from convincing a whole lot of active duty and retired vets from voting against Kerry.

Don't shoot the messenger!

[sangh0]

14. Why don't you just say

"Do you believe EVERYTHING you read?"

Then hand them an article on how BUsh* went AWOL

[HFishbine]

15. Yes

I agree. I had second thoughts and edited my post within minutes, but you obviously saw the post I tried to redact. Show him the Snopes link.

[Career Prole]

21. Won't convince me to vote against him.

This vet's solidly for Kerry.
I put that story in my B.F.D. pile. Tell that fella I'll buy him two pizzas and throw in a bottle o' pepsi. Talk about holding a grudge!

[Lefty48197]

16. Here's my response:

People that believe the bullshit in these right wing e-slander-mails are idiots. Please don't be an idiot.

[indie_voter]

27. Bush has made some comments

He made fun of a death row inmate, he told a prof he didn't understand how poor people think, etc.

None of this is really relevant, the zinger is Kerry at least SERVED, while Bush couldn't even fulfill stateside duty. Cheney had "other priorities".

Throw in some comments made by O'Neill and Clarke about his attitude towards policy meetings for good measure.

Somebody more eloquent than me can put all of that together to counter this kind of idiocy.

[Guaranteed]

20. As a vet, he shouldn't be worrying about Kerry being polite.

He should be worrying about whether or not some chickenhawk clown is going to send his buddies off to die so that corporations can buy cheap oil.

[mouse7]

22. I don't need to beat you with picture of Kerry on a sailboard, do I?

Okay, I'll do it anyway.

Last time I checked, sailboards are significantly shorter than 135'

[hippiegranny]

24. remember to select "reply all"

when you refute this jackinine crapola (send them to snopes and give them some awol links)

[Mountainman]

25. I'm sure Bush cares about the Hoi Polli also

Why didn't you get the memo? Bush gave us all a tax cut. Even us little people. That shows how much a man of the people Bush is. Now compare and contrast what Kerry would do for you if elected.

[w4rma]

26. It's bullcrap, made-up fiction. Part of the smear/whisper campaign

that Republicans like to partake in.

You CAN'T respond to this, because it's based on no credible source with no names or dates.

Note, post #17 proves one part correct with the photo:

[TreasonousBastard]

29. The Snopes piece is fair...

and reminds me of the observations a cousin of mine made.

He was in the old House technology office, and his job was to explain to Congresscritters such things as just which end of a rocket went up.

He said, esentially, that he was was bemused and somewhat digusted by every single one of them. Liberal, conservative, Republican, Democrat... made no difference.

Every single one of them was an arrogant prick. Treated the staff and every one they met (except contributors) as scum. Just vassals meant to do the duty of The Great Elected Ones. And that's the House-- imagine the egos of Senators.

One of the NPR reporters (brain fart-- can't think of the name right now) was interviewed a few years ago. She said that when she workled for NBC, she followed a bunch of the candidates around for a few months. Apparently, back then they didn't embed teams with individual candidates. Anyway, after it was over, she said she completely lost her initial impressions and thoughts about the candidates and ended up hating them all. Familiarity doth breed contempt.

Bottom line here-- the sort of person who is going to go through the crap you have to go through to get elected is probably not always the nicest person around. Part of the rewards of winning is being in the center of power, and that would tend to reinforce whatever arrogance one already has.

Even your good ol' boy down home Presidents like Truman and Carter would hardly be recognized by the people they grew up with. Clinton, Reagan, Nixon?

Unfortunately, it seems we just gotta live with those imperial attitudes and concentrate on what they do, not how they appear.

[yorgatron]

30. try putting it this way

at least Kerry has worked on resolving POW/MIA issues,what has Bush* done for POW/MIA lately?

[liberalitch]

35. EXCEPT FOR CREATE MORE OF THEM.....

can't think of a damned thing!

[SquireJons]

31. How True

Power is usually the attraction, and power corrupts. But policy is the important issue. One of the things I liked about Clinton is that he managed to (at least in appearances) maintain his connection to ordinary people. Maybe it was an illusion, but if so, it was a good one.

[VOX]

34. Google any phrase of this "letter" -- it's all over the Net...

It's authorship is generally attributed to a "Hal Cranmer" with a hotmail address.

Everything about this screams "fake."

[liberalitch]

36. spam him, spam him!

I'd eat his pizza, drink his beer, smoke his last butt and leave the toilet paper roll empty...

[WoodrowFan]

37. remind him

That Kerry seems to be pretty popular among the men who served under him.