Senate voting on the "unborn victims of violence" act now

[DaveSZ]

www.c-span.org

It defines a fetus as a person, and is likely an underhanded attempt to outlaw abortion since all the fundie organizations support the bill.

It looks like it will pass.

[Thrill]

1. I heard Lautenburg

ripping it today. Lets hope Chafee, Collins, and crew vote like they have some sense.

[DaveSZ]

2. I hope so too

Is McCain pro-choice or anti-abortion?

[DaveSZ]

3. "The Homeland"

That's what Hitler used to call it didn't he? }(

[Sandpiper]

6. The Fatherland

is what the Nazis called Germany. But it's still similar enough to be unsettling.

[Thrill]

4. He's not pro-choice

If I remember correctly he only supports abortion if the woman is raped

[Zynx]

9. He is very anti-abortion.

I think anyway.

[Sandpiper]

5. This is just the camel sticking his nose

Further into the tent. The "partial birth abortion" ban was step one in taking away a woman's right to choose. This is step two.

[Thrill]

8. This is why I laugh

at people who suggest Bayh should be VP. Watch him vote yes to this.

[RC]

7. If a fetus is a person from conception,

Why do we wait till birth to record it's existence?

Why not have 30 days from the date of conception to register the person? with hefty fines or jail time for not registering in time.

[DaveSZ]

10. Ugh

http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/

How did these crazed Fundies take over our country?

Oh, that's right, 15% of eligible voters voted in 2002.

[DieboldMustDie]

12. Don't give them any ideas.

[genius]

29. I imagine malpractice rates will go way up for obstetricians

Actually, there are a few careless doctors I wouldn't mind seeing go to jail. But the trouble is that this is a step toward overturning Roe v. Wade.

At the time of Roe, there were a phenomenal number of teenage deaths from illegal abortions. We owe it to girls growing up today to do what it takes to preserve the lives of the living and laws like this do just the opposite.

[mzmolly]

11. Diane Feinstein rocked today at the hearing.

;)

[bain_sidhe]

13. Remember the woman charged with "murder"

for not having a c-section? That's the kind of thing (only worse) we'll see more of if this law passes.

[Thrill]

14. Who were the 13 to vote

for this

[DaveSZ]

15. I agree Bain

It appears to have passed.

I can't belive they just outlawed stem cell research.

[Thrill]

16. This is why this party pisses me off

Why did 13 jump over for the friggin repukes. UNREAL.

[NewJerseyDem]

17. Link to roll call

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00063

Democrats voting yes:

Jeff Bingaman (NM)
John Breaux (LA)
Tom Carper (DE)
Kent Conrad (ND)
****** TOM DASCHLE (SD) ****** Democratic leader
Mark Dayton (MN)
Byron Dorgan (ND) Democratic Policy Committee Chair
Mary Landrieu (LA)
Zell Miller (GA) - shocking!
Ben Nelson (NE)
Mark Pryor (AR)
Harry Reid (NV) Democratic whip
Jay Rockefeller (WV)

Republicans voting no:

Lincoln Chafee (RI)
Olympia Snowe (ME)

[Thrill]

18. No kinda leadershio

Daschle clearly voting because he is locked in a tough race to be re-elected

[NewJerseyDem]

19. Almost the entire leadership voted for it

Daschle, Reid and Dorgan are pretty much the entire membership of the actual democratic leadership in the Senate. Barbara Mikulski (MD) is the conference secretary and voted against it but that is the lowest position out of the 4 elected leadership position.

[Atlant]

20. It's a good thing they're all "Electable", ehh? Or what would we do? (NT)

[Hippo_Tron]

22. Well, luckilly Corzine is running the national dem senate campaign...

I'd say he votes more democratic than Daschle.

[Atlant]

35. My point, of course, was "What does it matter?"

Did we not elect Democrats in the hopes of stopping shit like this?
And then the Democratic leadershit all turns around and votes for it!

Do they not stand for ANYTHING???

Atlant

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Daschle PLEASE resign...

It's not that I don't like him it's just that he lives in a SMALL very Republican state. He doesn't have a choice but to take Republican positions. We can give hin a nice chairmanship/ranking membership and that should be enough to keep his seat.

[Hippo_Tron]

21. What the hell? Landrieu is 5 years away from re-election...

She doesn't need to be voting pro-life. I need to send Mary a letter about this. Its time she started voting for a woman's right to choose like she campaigned on.

[DaveSZ]

26. I'm still pissed at the spineless nature of our leadership

At least Kerry and Edwards voted the right way, but I'll wager most dems who voted for this bill were up for reelection.

I can just imagine the attack ads the repukes would run against them otherwise, but that's still no excuse to kowtow to the Falwell wing of the GOP.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24697-2004Mar25.html

Senate Votes to Make Harming a Fetus a Crime

By Jim Abrams
Associated Press Writer
Thursday, March 25, 2004; 8:16 PM


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate voted Thursday to make it a separate crime to harm a fetus during commission of a violent federal crime, a victory for those seeking to expand the legal rights of the unborn.



The 61-38 vote on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act sends the legislation, after a five-year battle in Congress, to President Bush for his signature. The White House said in a statement that it "strongly supports protection for unborn children." The House passed the bill last month.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the bill was "powerful because this act is about simple humanity, about simple reality."

But abortion rights lawmakers contended that giving a fetus, from the point of conception, the same legal rights as its mother sets a precedent that could be used in future legal challenges to abortion rights.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

[Moderator]

37. DaveSZ

Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
news source.

Thank you.

DU Moderator

[genius]

24. Look at the names of the Democrats who voted for it.

Some of them we may have to re-elect but they are our real enemy that will destroy our party if we don't replace them at the first opportunity. So much for Landrieu or Breaux for VP. It would be political suicide for Kerry. And is anyone else eager to replace Daschle and Reid in their leadership positions now?

[jpgray]

39. Dayton!? What the Christ was he thinking!

Arrgh! Time to fire off a letter or fax!

[mzmolly]

40. Mark Dayton?!

OMG. Daschle?!

Some good people on this list, I wonder what they were thinking?

Course the RW rolled out pics of bodies for the camara and all. :eyes:

*sigh* I can only hope this doesn't set a precident for the eliminating choice for women in the future.

[genius]

25. I know. That's outrageous.

I'm NOT gung-ho on abortions but even I can see the handwriting on the wall.

[Thrill]

27. Dashle won't be the leader

much longer anyway

[genius]

33. You want to bet. Conservatives who love him are taking over local parties

In 2002, Loretta Sanchez's alternate to one committee stood up and announced her undying support for Tom Daschle as the greatest leader of all time, for the death penalty, for the war, against an independent investigation into the death of Paul Wellstone because it might lessen the amounts Raytheon was willing to contribute to Loretta's campaign. The board of that committee apparently subjected the liberals who dared to suggest more liberal Senate leadership to all kinds of nastiness. This has been all over the California yahoo groups on and off. Reportedly the conservatives on that same committee spent a tremendous amount of money in an attempt to unseat the liberals.

[DaveSZ]

28. Who is gung ho for abortion?

Nobody.

The point is, if it's outlawed women will die like they do in third world countries with illegal abortions.

Outlawing stem cell research will also set our country back in finding important cures for diseases.

[genius]

30. That was a reference to extreme positions. I oppose this bill.

There are some people who are so gung-ho on abortions that if some congressman has ever waivered in supporting government financing of Susan's five-hundredth abortion, he is forever treated as a traitor to the cause.

[DaveSZ]

32. LOL

You're making it sound like some women enjoy getting pregnant just so they can experience the joy of a government-funded abortion. :P

[genius]

34. I'm concerned about some of the extreme attitudes.

For instance, when Dennis improved his position and became more liberal than any other candidate on the issue, there were a number of people on this board who would not forgive him for ever hesitating on the financing issue.

I know some women who lack self control on this issue. Unfortunately, there would be no way to protect indigent women who are more deserving without ensuring that women getting their 500th abortion get their financing too. Personally I am morally opposed to abortions but I believe all women have the right to make that decision for themselves and I am opposed to any limitation on the right.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. One more reason

John Breaux and Mary Landrieu SHOULD NOT BE VP!!! Damn...with Democrats like these who needs republicans? :eyes: This coming from the Democratic party...REALLY PISSES ME OFF. :grr: And a FEMALE Democrat who votes for this should be voted OUT. She voted for the Medicare bill too. So did Daschle. They are useless to us. They should be proud...they voted WITH ZELL MILLER!!!!! :grr:

Democrats voting yes:

Jeff Bingaman (NM)
John Breaux (LA)
Tom Carper (DE)
Kent Conrad (ND)
****** TOM DASCHLE (SD) ****** Democratic leader
Mark Dayton (MN)
Byron Dorgan (ND) Democratic Policy Committee Chair
Mary Landrieu (LA)
Zell Miller (GA) - shocking!
Ben Nelson (NE)
Mark Pryor (AR)
Harry Reid (NV) Democratic whip
Jay Rockefeller (WV)

[SCDem]

36. So if a husband and pregnant wife are having emotional stress

because they can't pay for health insurance and can't pay all their bills and living paycheck to paycheck and because of this stress she has a miscarriage should the couple charge the federal government with murder of their "unborn fetus"?

This is so ridiculous.

[Killarney]

38. Did Kerry vote?

If so, which way?

[MoonRiver]

41. A good example of why just getting Kerry in isn't enough.

We need to take back the Senate, and by a sizeable majority.

[DaveSZ]

42. Kerry voted the right way

:)

I will also be sure to snip the articles I post from now on. :)