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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:23 AM Original message |
It was a vote for fucking war. Period. |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. Who cares now? Only you do because its the only weapon you have |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I care. I care about history. I care about facing facts. It has fuck all to do |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I just did and "your history" is the twist here! |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. What are you mumbling about? |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
54. That's not what I'm "mumbling" about...read first! |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
58. "Dearie" I just did respond, your clueless, check out international law |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
93. I don't see anything under existing international law that makes this war legal. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
131. So, of course, you didn't vote for John Kerry, right? |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:49 AM Response to Reply #131 |
164. I sure didn't vote for John Kerry.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Actually, a lot of people care. I'm guessing about 65% of Texas and 60% of Ohio care. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. You sound like John McCain. And that's no compliment. nt |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Sooooooo....how exactly could Bush go to WAR without that vote? |
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samrock (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Easy!! |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Let's start with the basics, OK? |
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samrock (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
56. LOLOL |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. THANK YOU SAMROCK...MY POINT AS WELL... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
128. I would venture you could not pass a HS government test.... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #128 |
241. I'll second that! |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
160. The First Person In This Conversation To "Get Personal" |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #66 |
194. Your point in NOT well taken. YOU don't know jack-shit about |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
218. Without a use of force resolution, he could only keep troops in Iraq for 60 days -PERIOD. |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. This isn't about declaring war you idiots! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Stupid is as stupid does |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. COME NOW, can you spell R-E-A-L-I-T-Y! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Can you spell D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L? You haven't proven jackshit, jack |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I'm now a holocust denier...WOW...GREAT COMEBACK! |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
110. A war is defined by the use of millitary force. End of story. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:51 AM Response to Reply #73 |
165. Read the resolution. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
132. Yelling doesn't get you any closer to being right |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
136. No kidding? |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
179. an Authorization for the use of force |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
210. Sorry, did you just say the Iraq WAR RESOLUTION was not a WAR RESOLUTION??? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. The UN didn't invade Iraq. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Just a wild guess here.... |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
68. is that what they now call history...government classes? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
98. I have no clue on what they are doing now. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
96. The UN refused to authorize the invasion of Iraq. Bush didn't have a leg to stand on |
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samrock (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. hehejehe |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
116. Yes. The energized base. Hammer, meet nail |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
142. I too care a great deal about the activists who support Obama |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
53. Yup, here goes! |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
94. So, that's how you think this stuff works. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Scary what some people seem to think about how things... |
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nvme (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
150. the UN resolutions |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. What a disgusting fucking post |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
82. "Fuck all those dead and wounded" |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. No, just Iraqi civilians |
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nvme (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #82 |
151. YOur using Republican talking points Watch it |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
232. How Did You Make That Leap? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
81. I cared about this vote long before I knew who Obama was, and it disqualified Hillary fot me. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. If truth is the only weapon I can use, I'll take it every time |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. The truth of what, foolishness? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Obviously there's no reasoning with you |
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CatnHat (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
161. The truth is |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. That's What Mary Matalin Said Today on Tim Russertt Show |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #105 |
130. james carville's dim bulb, |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #105 |
231. Hey Mary Matalin, here's a photo for you... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
133. I care. and right on, cali |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
140. Freeper? Go home. n/t |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
155. No, the lies and the revisions of history are attempts to turn this into something it isn't. |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
185. Who cares...because if the phone rings at 3AM I want the president to do the right thing! |
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geiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
197. how you infer hate for Hillary from this post is beyond me. |
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Gonnuts (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
200. Who cares? |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
202. It's one more weapon that Saddam Hussein had |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
217. It's not just the vote itself, it's the fact |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. Agreed. It is really pathetic how desperate the Hillbots are, trying to revise history. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Actually, if your read in good Senator's speech, it is, in essence, what Hillary said. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Then why did she vote against the Levin Amendment? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Because the Levin Amendment, if passed, would .. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
83. Obama LIES and his ilk push the LIE for him! |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
227. Zero concept of the WPA |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. It was not a vote for war. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Ex-fucking-actly! |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
196. Hillary ain't a lint lizard. She's the best 'camel toe' jockey money |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. Yes - arrogant and idiotic |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. I was in the Marines. It was signed on Oct. 16. We were mobilized on Oct. 18 |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
106. 2002 Clairvoyant Convention, New York City |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. It was NOT a vote for "war"....... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. You can post that in big bold red letters and it's still a big bold red lie. |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
71. Leahy's speech proves nothing! |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
84. Now posting exact quotes is lying? You really have lost your mind! |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Oh, fucking bullshit. |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
72. What the hell do you think the Korean conflict was...a police action |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
103. No shit.... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Finally. Some TRUTH!!!!!!! |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
109. Or doublespeak. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. I can't sign someone's death warrant |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
52. Right. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
169. You have to face the fact Obama is a LIAR! |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
89. The "Use of United States Armed Forces" part must have fooled me |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
108. "I'm voting for this obvious rush to war even as I leave myself plausable deniability" |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #108 |
170. Kerry Won the election and refused to fight for us.. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 07:01 AM Response to Reply #170 |
180. My senators were right. They voted against the damn thing. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
126. It was a vote to authorize the use of military force in Iraq |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #126 |
172. Huh? This is all that mattered.. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
141. You are mistaken. n/t |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
149. I am sorry, but anyone who wanted to put responsibility in the hands of "our President" was wrong |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
188. So, was it called the "Iraq reasoned diplomacy resolution"? No, it was the Iraq WAR resolution |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
8. She hedged her bets: she cautioned him with her vote.... |
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nvme (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
156. its 3 am |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
13. 'This resolution, like others before it, does not declare anything.' |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. oh please |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I made a verbatim quote and you bash me? lol |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. yet nothing in that document precludes Congress from refusing to fund that occupation |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 05:45 AM Response to Reply #77 |
168. They DON'T need votes to end the funding. |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Sure. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. Well, were the so-called presidential palaces well suited or not??? |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
16. St. Obama: "I think this is a tough question and a tough call." |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Get a clue, OK? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Clueless. This has fuck all to do with Clinton or Obama |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. It is a major theme of the Obama campaign -- of course it is relevant |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
113. Obama has stopped short of decoupling the war and the vote that enabled it. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
18. It was not a vote for war. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Tell it to Pat Leahy |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. I have no doubt that Pat Leahy is smarter than 99% of the people on this board |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
114. How intellectually lazy of me to confuse the use of Military force |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
23. Absolutely! Hillary must think we all fell off the turnip truck yesterday. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
26. It Wasn't A Vote For War: Period. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. This is NOT about Clinton. It's about my disgust for revisionist history |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Sure It Is. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I've posted the same thing in GD. You're engaging in a logical fallacy |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. You Don't Get It. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. I have to call you on this one. |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Right, it's not about Clinton. Good one. LOL n/t |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
104. Talk about delusion |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Correction: SOME Democrats were afraid of looking weak. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
120. And yet, somehow, it was a vote for war. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. well said |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
37. Agreed and recommended nt |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
41. must you all keep trying to convince yourselves over n over again...btw who did you vote for in 04? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. read my posts, genius. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
48. It's just some dead-enders and die-hard Baathists |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
49. Twisted words and phrases........ |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
50. The resolution did not authorize the preemptive invasion and occupation Bush waged |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Senator Leahy says that's allowed bush to do whatever he freakin' wanted |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. Nothing in that document prevented Congress from defunding Bush. THAT'S what stops him. |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. This is like arguing religion... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I think it was a mistake to give Bush any encouragement |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Well, at least we can agree that it was a mistake... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Everyone knew he was going to deploy troops, and afterward, Congress would be loath to pull the rug |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
57. Obama voted against the Iraq War Resolution? Really? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Get it through your skull: This isn't about Obama and it's not about |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. This argument is always so BS. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
91. If Obama had really cared, he would have run for Senate in 1998. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #67 |
174. It's only because you are not aware of ALL the facts.. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #174 |
228. No kidding! What a revelation. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #67 |
175. It's only because you are not aware of ALL the facts.. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
59. watch~~listen~~LEARN! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. that's just so igorant. One can't help but be amused in a sort |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. asked to give the president the authority to use force.. in the first 10 seconds of that video |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:10 AM Response to Reply #59 |
171. Thats what Congress thought, until Bush used the War Powers Act of 1973 |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #171 |
230. Keep spamming |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
63. But HRC "didn't know." She was "misled." It was not a vote for war, it was to send in inspectors. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
86. Why do you hate America? |
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Omega3 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
95. "I was against the war until I actually had to vote on it in the US Senate, since then I've been a |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Believe it or not this isn't about Hillary or Obama |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
97. Of course it was a vote for war. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
99. Yes indeed. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
111. To all those who try and nit pik what this OP is saying in clear terms: |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
112. Yep! Exactly right. K & R. n/t |
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Caro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
115. Obama has made conflicting statements ... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. you fucking don't get it at all. |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. What's with the rage and nasty language? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. The war makes me angry |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. What are you doing to end it ? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I've marched in DC three times |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Then I must have met you in DC or NYC ? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Nope. Never went to NY and went |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Why do you start threads, then verbally abuse people? |
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Caro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #117 |
135. He said he would have voted for the war. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
121. It was a vote for funding the fucking war. Period. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
123. Here's The Bottom Line: Hillary Has Never Admitted That The Vote Was Wrong |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #123 |
145. Yep. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #123 |
146. Indeed. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
124. It think HRC's brilliant minions .. |
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Caro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
137. All we're saying is that Obama's record ... |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. As if starting a war and funding the US military are the same thing. |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #138 |
148. Yes, they are the same thing |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:54 AM Response to Reply #148 |
166. no they are not |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #166 |
223. Saying they aren't doesn't make it true either, O-Bot |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #223 |
238. Don't call me O-bot, Barak was not my first choice Hill-shiller |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #148 |
229. Speaking of dumb as a post |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #138 |
163. Recklessly driving bus into ditch verses carefully getting bus out of ditch |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. At least Obama's lip service.. |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
143. Amen |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
144. This is true. nt |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
147. Disingenuosu, lying O-Bots are still trying to spin their same vile shit, day in and day out |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #147 |
153. CLINTON VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
152. OK, so you're writing in Kucinich, right? nt |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
154. All anyone needs to do to conclude it was a vote for war is to read the fucking resolution. |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
157. Duh-err! Doi! Duh! Doo! Phflbtttt! Which way did he go George? |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
158. A guy who wasn't there to vote can't claim he voted against it. |
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guyanakoolaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #158 |
162. I keep seeing this hilarious line from Clinton supporters |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:20 AM Response to Reply #162 |
177. Hillary can beat Obama because he's a bald faced LIAR.. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #177 |
187. what slobbering nonsense you spew |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
159. This kind of tack is for me tedious i.e. "Those indians killed that nice man Gen. Custer period" |
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silentchurch (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
167. potty mouth is so wrong... |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:23 AM Response to Reply #167 |
178. Cali has never been right yet.. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #178 |
181. um, not quite |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 07:23 AM Response to Reply #167 |
182. hey, a big fucking welcome to fucking DU. n/t |
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BringBigDogBack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
173. Fucking, A, cali.... |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
176. "Error: You've already recommended that thread." |
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Ravachol (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
183. As the debate rages on... |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
184. there you go again cali. having another tantrum. we have to take your word over the word of the |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #184 |
186. This really is NOT about Hillary. And it's LEAHY you're calling a liar |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #186 |
191. dear cali ... kids go on having tantrum when truth hits them in the face ... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. dear flor, your powers of discernment are irrevocably broken |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #192 |
216. as to discernment ... |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
189. My thinking regarding those that voted yes for IWR was in place |
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Guava Jelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
190. something I made a few years ago |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
193. bttft and recommend with many kudos for a great post. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
195. Let me tell you one thing Cali |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. maybe you should clarify that statement |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #198 |
208. ecdab another thing about Kerry |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #208 |
219. I think you are speaking in overly generalized terms, |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #208 |
222. Non-issue? It was a HUGE issue to those of us against the war from day one. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
199. Yes, it was a vote for war. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #199 |
207. kick |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
201. Do we need this foul language on the FRONT PAGE of DU?? |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Apparently we do |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Emphasis is one thing, obscenity it something entirely different! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #204 |
213. Fuckin-A. I, for one, am SICK of these fucking shit-mouthed motherfuckers |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #204 |
214. Technically... |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
205. Hillary knew, everybody knew it was a vote for war |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
206. Some people took to the streets, others were complicit |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
209. Great post, Cali! Thank you for saying it. |
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jaybeat (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
211. So was every vote in favor of funding it. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
212. Just one of those corner stone votes of the CRAP-HOUSE they want to defend |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
215. Way to go, cali. It's all very simple. n/t |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #215 |
220. whadya know |
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Herman74 (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
221. As an Obama supporter, let me come to Hillary's defense on this one |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #221 |
225. naive |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
224. The real Main Page news should be the Obama camp calling black Clinton supporters "Uncle Toms" |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #224 |
226. Way to stay on topic Tarc. Do you want to argue the points |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #226 |
240. It isn't rumor, O-Bot |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
233. "ITS THE WAR, STUPID" |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
234. Wars, plural. IWR in 2002, cluster bombs in 2006, Kyl-Lieberman in 2007, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
235. I don't agree, but that's beside the point. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #235 |
236. Kerry stands by 'yes' vote on Iraq war 8/10/04 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #236 |
237. Nonsense, from your link: |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #237 |
239. This is when Kerry made his "I'm sorry speech" and he didn't even say he was sorry |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-03-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #239 |
242. Kerry's not running for President either. CLINTON IS. She has not APOLOGIZED for siding with Bush |
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