Kerry will win if Graham's-Holt's bill passes. He loses if it doesn't.

[genius]

The Democrats, both left and center, are planning to vote for Kerry. The attacks on the left are coming from infiltrators who want the left to abandon Kerry. But, despite the attempts to separate the party, most on the left see him as a liberal who needs to be true to the values he's been afraid to vote for over the last few years. There is a need for truly liberal platform as only a genuinely liberal platform will return jobs to America, get us out of other countries' business and save all life on Earth from environmental extinction. However, the news media will continue conducting bogus polls which make it look as though Kerry's percentages are slipping. Why? So that no one will be surprised by a Bush victory. Without VCIAA, Kerry cannot possibly win as he will absolutely lose Ohio and Florida both and a great many other states he needs to win under the voting systems in place or being put in place. If we get a national paper trail, they will have trouble faking a Bush victory and Kerry is guaranteed a landslide.

Is your Senator backing Graham's bill? Is your Congressperson backing Holt's bill? If not, contact them tomorrow. This is more important than contributions or volunteer work.

[jpgray]

1. Doesn't this bill only take effect in 2006? (nt)

[JVS]

3. uh-oh

[genius]

5. Nope. It will take effect before this November's election if passed fast

It has to be passed before the election. The 2006 figure was Shelley's game plan in California.

[jobycom]

2. No law or system will stop them from cheating

Republicans will cheat no matter what system is used. Black boxes don't make it harder or easier than any other system, just different. They cheated with punch card ballots, they will cheat with paper trail verified electronic voting, or any other system we can dream up. Rather than building new and better systems, we ought to be spending the time and money monitoring systems and investigating old crimes, like Florida-- and locking people up. Until we do that, no one will be afraid of being caught, and cheating will continue.

[Thrill]

4. The Dems just have to monitor

things closely. Have officials out in those places from now until the election. This bill won't affect this election from my understanding

[genius]

6. Monitor the inside of a computer with half a million lines of code?

In one demonstration, everyone verified their votes but the rigging was in the counting phase. The rigging just involved a couple of lines of code and the result was wrong. There was even a testing phase that didn't show the rigging. The head of diebold has promised Ohio to Bush and he can deliver it without anyone knowing if VCIAA does not pass.

[jobycom]

10. It won't matter, they'll still cheat, and no one will watch them.

Some of the machines, like the eSlate machines my county uses, captures and stores each ballot electronically after it has been verified by the voter. They can be individually counted. The ballots are programmed in at the county level, without any code being introduced from outside, so that writing a code to misregister the ballots is almost impossible, since the ballots are different each time. The votes and the ballots are recorded on hard chips, and are unalterable once recorded. This is much harder to cheat with than paper ballots, and adding paper verified trails to them would only allow more confusion-- what happens if the paper doesn't agree with the electronic chips? Which is accepted as the real vote? Paper is easier to alter than ROM.

To my mind, ordering paper trails just opens up a new avenue for them to cheat (And for the record, I was calling for paper trails before anyone else was talking about them, but I no longer trust them). If someone is to cheat, they will alter the paper, just as they altered the punchcards in Florida. I don't trust it. I don't trust any solution that tries to develop a cheat-proof system. There isn't one.

The best way to investigate is by using exit polling and sampling to determine likely outcomes, then comparing the actual outcomes to those. When there is a discrepancy, as in Florida (where the exit polls agreed with what would have happened if those ballots hadn't been "overvoted" by someone), there should be an independent agency that investigates more thoroughly than the IRS, and the penalties should be the stiffest we have for any crimes. We are doing what the cheats want: we are looking in the wrong place, spending money on the wrong things, and causing confusion which they can exploit next time. Instead of ironing out the wrinkles, they just throw out the old systems and introduce new ones, and exploit the new wrinkles.

The prize is world domination. It is worth any risk to them. If you can think of a way they can cheat, they will have the top minds in the world figure out how to do it, and will have unlimited funds to do it. The only solution is to use unlimited funds to stop it, and treat election fraud as more serious than murder. That might make it harder for them.

[genius]

7. The bill is the diffence between winning and losing. Check out studies

Johns Hopkins University and a great many other reputable sources have proven that anyone can rig these computers and that there is no way to ensure an accurate result with these computers.

[AndyP]

8. send this link

along with a letter to your Rep and congressperson http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf it's an independent study done in Maryland, showing many flaws.

[DaveSZ]

9. If this doesn't pass and we don't get a paper tral for the BBV machines

Let's get our party mobilized early to hand out paper ballots or absentee ballots to people in precincts affected by the BBV machines.

Many of these machines failed in their early trial runs, and we cannot afford for that to happen in this election.

[Zinfandel]

11. How will a paper trail help, if the machines spit out an accurate paper

receipt to the voter, but the machines software can still distort the actual vote count passed on as the official total?

[Thrill]

12. If the Repukes can cheat

Why can't the Dems do the same????

[Zinfandel]

13. I think the "repukes" own the software to the machines, no?

[Bombtrack]

14. As I've said, the bill will get the most exposure/press if Graham's chosen

as runningmate.