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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:10 PM
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Should we be hoping Toomey or Specter wins the Pennsylvania primary?
Toomey seems like he'd be easier to beat, and while I'd like to say Pennsylvania would never elect someone as crazy as him, they did elect Santorum. If Toomey won he'd be a lot worse than Specter, and we'd have John Kyl instead of Specter as head of the Judiciary Committee. However I think Hoeffel would be favored over Toomey since suburban moderate Republicans would vote for him over that nutcase (he doesn't have the problems Ron Klink did), and then we could take back the Senate. Tough call.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:13 PM
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1. imo, Specter
Pennsylvania has proven that they can elect an extreme right winger so it is no guarantee that Toomey would be easier to beat just because he is more conservative than Arlen.

On the other hand, Specter has been in there, what? six terms--our candidate can make the strong statement that "it is time for change" that is what defeated Roth in neighboring Delaware. Also the right wingers will sit on their hands if Specter wins.
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:14 PM
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2. tough call indeed
but there is some speculation that Specter would retire after before his term ended, and have his replacement appointed by Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell...

Who has his own issues...

http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040329speedp6.asp
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:18 PM
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3. Rendell better make
his driver drive at a safer speed.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:21 PM
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4. Yeah. If he hits someone, he and they will both be dead.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:50 PM
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5. I think Hoeffel would beat Toomey (via Pitt and Philly) but not
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 02:51 PM by AlinPA
Specter. Specter is well accepted in PA. Toomey is a right-wing jerk.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:23 PM
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15. Hello, can you say Santorum?
What, can Toomey be any more conservative?
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:51 PM
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6. Toomey
Joe Hoeffel would clean his clock.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:01 PM
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7. Toomey
Joe Hoeffel would be able to beat Toomey (though it would be close) in this presidential year. The though of Kyl being head of the Judiciary Committee isn't pleasant (though considering that it currently is Orrin Hatch, I can't see how it could get worse), but if we win the PA seat, we might not even have to worry about it, because that could lead to Pat Leahy being the chair of the Judiciary.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:35 PM
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8. Toomey
he'd stand little chance against Hoeffl who is a much better opponent than what Santorum ran against.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:54 PM
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9. DEFINITELY Toomey!
Joe Hoefle will kick his ass!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 06:55 PM
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10. Hoeffel beats Toomey but loses to Specter. I may switch.
I'm considering switiching over to Repuke for the primary to vote for Toomey. Plus I can write in Clark as President. Any thoughts?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:10 PM
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11. Tommey needs to win it
Specter has the independents and moderate reukes locked up. Hoefel will beat Tommey. Who is very far right
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 11:33 PM
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12. Not only can we beat Toomey, unlike Specter, Toomey will hurt Bush
tOOMEY WILL HURT bUSH BECAUSE bUSH NEEDS TO RUN AS A MODERATE IN pa
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 12:03 AM
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13. My rule is, always root for the better person
All this tactical voting crap just ends up backfiring more often than not.

If I were voting in the GOP primary, I'd vote for Specter. If I were voting in the general election, I'd vote for Hoeffel over either of them.

And YES, PA DID electect Santorum is a similar situation where the Dems all thought the Republicans had committed suicide by nominating him (turned out to be the '94 debacle, if I remember correctly).
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:10 AM
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14. I just disagree with that
but I respect your opinion
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:32 PM
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18. Thanks. If it makes you feel any better ...
... I'm as critical of the PA AFL-CIO's tactical voting ploy in support of Specter as I would be of Dems voting for Toomey hoping for a weaker candidates!!
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:26 PM
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16. 1994 was very different from 2004
Santorum only won in 1994 because of the Republican sweep occuring across the country. There is no vast wave of pro-Republican sentiment sweeping the country this year. Toomey will lose.
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:30 PM
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17. Which is exactly my point
Nobody knows the future.

We do know, however, which of the candidates we think is better.
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