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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:08 PM
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Kerry and Heinz Ketchup
I was listening to the fountain of misinformation Rush this afternoon and he was railing about Kerry and the letter they sent out to the media saying that neither Kerry or his wife are involved in the operations of the Heinz company. Rush extrapolated out of this that they are distancing themselves from our next president because of his stance on companies operating outside of the company to avoid taxes. He then railed that maybe President Kerry and his wife should give all their benefits from the Heinz fortune back to protest the fact that they do have plants outside of the company.

Anyway, I decided to check to see if this was based on truth at all and have discovered that yes, Heinz does have plants in 57 different countries, but lo and behold they do pay taxes on that money.

This is going to be a long campaign.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:10 PM
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1. bush & harkin energy. . .?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:12 PM
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2. ...and I doubt that those plants are re-importing back to the US...
I heard that too, and the gigantic nazi gasbag shot down his own argument when he was saying: "I can;t find any of those Heinz fried goats eyeballs here in the US." No shit, dipshit, that's why they have plants in the countries that have specific local or regional tastes, diets, etc.

Effenidiot. :eyes:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:12 PM
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3. what's more American than ketchup?
at least the ketchup industry doesn't involve being cozy with the Saudis.

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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:14 PM
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4. Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda cool
...that Heinz has plants in 57 countries? Not 56, not 58, but 57! :P

Now THAT's animating the brand. :thumbsup:
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:18 PM
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5. I was fascinated by that as well. NT
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:19 PM
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6. Heinz distancing themselves from Kerry looks bad
You don't see Enron and Haliburton sending out letters trying to distance themselves from Bush and Cheney - at least if they did, it didn't become a major news story.

It makes Kerry look poisonous when a company with his wife's last name is trying to stay away from him.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:38 PM
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12. It kinda makes sense from a business P.O.V....
Heinz is major, world-wide corporate power, and the powers-that-be at Heinz don't want potential customers NOT buying Heinz products because said customers fear it's helping Kerry's campaign. That may well be considered a heartless, capitalist perspective, but Heinz Inc. does have truth on its side: Kerry and his wife do not run Heinz, and never have, despite rumours and Repub slander to the contrary. Heinz Co., in setting the record straight, is doing just that. So I don't see it as a "distancing" thing at all.

Comparisons to Enron and Haliburton are not relevant. IMO.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 07:18 PM
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16. That's an odd way of interpreting it. RWers were using
the Heinz connection to insinuate that Kerry was being two-faced about outsourcing because he and/or his wife supposedly had a management/substantial financial connection to Heinz, which does have overseas plants. The company in essence cleared his name.

In addition, it was a smart business move as RWers have been threatening a boycott.

I was happy to see the .pdf on their page, I already used it to refute a RWer on another site.

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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:21 PM
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7. Heinz in 57 countries? I thought it was 57 varieties
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:29 PM
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9. it was 1981. . .
and ketchup was a vegetable.

Or so sayeth Ronnie Raygun. Nevermind that a tomato is a fruit.
And I thought the government was scary back then. Sheesh. . .no comparison.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 04:46 PM
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15. Rest easy, knowing that they're now feeding Ray-Gun...
...Heinz ketchup through a straw.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:50 AM
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17. legally the tomato is a vegetable
scientifically a fruit. the good eats episode about tomatos clued me in to this. The supreme court actually ruled at one point tha ttomatos were vegetables and fell under the same import/export laws.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:28 PM
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8. Snopes.... (Posted today!)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

Claim: Senator John Kerry's wife owns Heinz, a company that outsources much of its work abroad.

Status: False.

Example:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:34 PM
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10. Beeeyoootiful post.
A real troll crusher.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:35 PM
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11. Great find!
:D
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:51 PM
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13. Great find!
It is nice to crush that fat windbag!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 04:17 PM
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14. Heinz is an international company, just like CocaCola
They locate the factories where the raw ingredients are and market to that country - that is not the outsourcing Kerry is talking about - in any case even if it were - the only Kerry-Heinz connection is that Kerry's wife controls a foundation that owns about 4% of the Heinz stock - which isn't enough to control anything.
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