Hillary

[littlebit]

OK, so I'm a Hillary supporter. I like her stance on the issue's that actually matter to the way our country is run, and to me personally.
I am an educated, upper-middle class lesbian. I don't consider myself ignorant.
I am getting increasingly tired of certain supporters from the other side saying the same tired crap about Hillary supporters being stupid, poor, and unable to think for themselves.
Up until a year ago I supported Edwards. In looking in to all of the candidates, attended rallies for several of them in SC, I decided to support Hillary. For me the choice was between someone who could run the country, or someone who could run the country in to the ground. Since I think Bush has done a pretty good job of this, I didn't think he needed any help finishing it.
I just don't understand the appeal of Obama. I also don't understand how many of his supporters can be so nasty.
I've stayed out of this argument until tonight.
I think the country has much bigger issues than who was meaner to another in a commercial.
I already know who I'm voting for on May 6th. All the flame baiting won't change that for me.

So go ahead, you know who you are. Start the flaming. (I'm going to ignore all of it though.) If you have something you can share with me, without getting nasty, I'll listen.

[Yael]

1. Asking for flames? Too much drama for me, but thanks anyway.

Have a good weekend!

[thunder rising]

Good for you.

[subsuelo]

2. Why not Kucinich?

just curious

[littlebit]

6. My partner loved Kucinich

but I had to be a realist.

[LisaM]

3. I agree with you, and you're very brave

I also have to say, I also just don't get Obama's appeal. He's okay, I guess, but I just don't find him very exciting. It baffles me that others do. I simply can't see it.

[ExtraGriz]

9. he dont appeal to me either..n/t

[cloud75]

4. Welcome to DU go Hillary

[JohnnyLib2]

5. I'll second both parts of this reply!

:hi:

[littlebit]

10. Thanks

I have been here for almost two years. I just don't post much. But thank you for the welcome. :hi:

[Levgreee]

7. "I think the country has much bigger issues than who was meaner to another in a commercial."

unfortunately, this sways voters. That's why Hillary is doing it. Do you want a candidate to ride into the nomination on the back of lies and inappropriateness, instead of their own credentials?

[moobu2]

8. Cant see Obama’s appeal either.. it completely baffles me.

[frog92969]

11. I don't bite

anybody who doesn't ask for it.

Just think you should read this post-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4952091

There are many reasons to keep her out. Do some research beyond her speeches.

[susankh4]

12. Thanks for the positive post!

K&R

[OhioBlue]

15. positive post... lol. n/t

[RazBerryBeret]

13. Respect your opinion...

but I don't know why you would think Obama would "run this country into the ground". what is that based on?

For me, one of the important things is that Obama talks AND demonstrates transparency in government. It is OUR government, although it hasn't been run that way for years.

And the whole dynasty thing. I am still angry that Iran Contra was swept under the rug.

Another big thing for me is the possibility that I can be involved in my government--and that others really want to be involved in their government as will. I've watched helplessly as I've lost civil rights, had my candidate smeared by lies (I'm talking Kerry here) we invaded a sovereign country, we are occupying that country, we let a terrorist run free, we've run up an astronommical debt.....(I won't go on) I've sat and watched, wondering at what point would people start caring again? what will it take to get to that "tipping poing"?

What I see with Obama is a chance to take back my government, I see people excited to be involved. this is the closest I've seen to citizens being ready to take to the streets and reclaim what is theirs. I have 2 little boys, I want them to have a better world. With Obama I see a chance to have something different in ways that matter to me.

I'm not trying to flame here, but if Hillary was a man, she would be the same old, same old. Her point of difference is that she is a woman (as much as I'd love a woman prez...) I don't see much changing here with her.

Don't get me wrong--I loved Bill in the WH, I voted for him twice. And I'm NOT a sexist (as I've been called on here because I'm a woman who isn't supporting Clinton).

[OhioBlue]

14. yeah, you lost me with

"the choice was between someone that could run the country and someone that could run it into the ground"....

You challenge readers to "flame away". Heck, you almost dare them.

And yet, you don't understand how "Obama supporters" can just be so nasty.

Vote for whomever you wish.

[atreides1]

16. I hope this doesn't appear to be nasty

"I am getting increasingly tired of certain supporters from the other side saying the same tired crap about Hillary supporters being stupid, poor, and unable to think for themselves."

And I'm sure that Obama supporters are just as tired of hearing insults from Clinton supporters. The reality is that both sides have ignorant people, not stupid, ignorant! This of course can be determined by the hyperbole and insults that they hurl at each other almost on a daily basis.

"For me the choice was between someone who could run the country, or someone who could run the country in to the ground."

What evidence do you have that suggests that Senator Clinton would do a better job then Senator Obama, besides your personal feelings? As far as I can tell either one could run the country better or into the ground, the problem is until it happens we won't know how either one will do.

"I just don't understand the appeal of Obama. I also don't understand how many of his supporters can be so nasty."

I'm sure that there are many Obama supporters who don't understand the appeal of Senator Clinton, also some supporters of Senator Clinton have shown themselves to be as nasty as some of Senator Obama's.

"I think the country has much bigger issues than who was meaner to another in a commercial."

Yes this country has bigger issues then whose commercial is meaner or which member of a candidates staff made a mean comment about the opponent, but that doesn't seem to mean much to many people, to include supporters of both candidates here at DU.

I hope that none of this is considered either flaming or nasty.

[sueragingroz]

17. Welcome to the fracas!

we are a minority but we do our best to represent!

[jefferson_dem]

18. No need to get flamed for that testimony, littlebit.

We should all respect your right to support whomever you like. We are Democrats! :hi:

[littlebit]

20. Thank you!!

nice post :toast:

[jillan]

19. Excellent post! A big k/r!

[ananda]

21. Personally..

I also find the emotional extremism against Hillary very distasteful
and counterproductive for both candidates and the process of the
election.

Neither Clinton nor Obama should be considered an enemy.

The enemy is corporofascism.. the enemy is endless war.. the enemy
is a battered economy and ruined lives.. all in the person and
government of Bushinc and his annointed successor John McCain!!!

[RazBerryBeret]

25. That's it Exactly!!!

we should be united against our enemy, which this year is John McCain.
I don't see that happening, but that's where we need to be. it's our only hope (obi wan kenobi..)

[BluWtrLynn]

22. I supported Dennis K until he dropped out.

Now I support Sen. Obama. One key issue for me is the Democratic Leadership Council. I know that is is sometimes hard to remember the world before George Bush. I know I sometimes have a hard time seeing through the red haze myself. But, the fact is that before Bush, Bill Clinton and the "Third Way" gave us NAFTA and opened the door for many trade give aways to follow. You can see the results all over the country in lost jobs and flight of capital to avoid taxation. We are seeing our economy in meltdown, perhaps on the way to another depression. The speculation that led us to where we are today was permitted when we deregulated the securities industry un-doing FDR's work. This was in 1999 under Bill with the DLC pushing. There are many other examples where the DLC has undermined the basic principles of the Democratic party and introduced their basically, conservative, agenda.

Far from distancing herself from the DLC and its agenda, Sen. Clinton is the poster woman for these folks. (I wish Obama were further away too.)

The second issue is one of trust. Here are some links to issues I would like to hear her respond to honestly and openly.

<http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/07/clintons_iran_vote_prompts_a_h.html| Iraq war:>
<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18958566|InfoUSA:>
<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/|Rose Law Firm:>


Civil enough?

[Laelth]

23. I respect your reasoning and your choice.

I invite you to read this article about Hillary's faith and how it shapes her policy decisions.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

It also explains some of her coziness with McCain.

Either way, I recognize that we are on the same team. Cheers!

:toast:

-Laelth

[JackORoses]

24. Hillary is an inviable candidate and a drag on her Party. Anchors aweigh!!!!

[emilyg]

26. Welcome to Du

Go Hillary.