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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:12 AM Original message |
Educate me. Why are caucuses "undemocratic"? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because Obama supporters have no jobs, children, and never get sick. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
46. LMAO |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. I thiink ours was very democratic in that regard |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Hand counted |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Ours too was hand counted |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
3. Because You Have To Get There |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. Because not everyone can caucus. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. LOL. American Government textbooks don't criticize our election process. Good grief. n/t |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Do you really think I made that up? Guess you just hate facts. |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. So it is a fact because someone wrote it in a book? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. you sound like a typical denier |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. This is a political science textbook used at Yale. |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Yale credentials give automatic credibility? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Written by a senior Hoover Institute fellow. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Thanks for pointing that out! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Lol |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Fiorino is listed as the primary author - it is HIS text. Whatever |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
54. well that seals it. Yale is the right winger's Ivy League school. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. "The New American Democracy", for the new american century. |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Hmmm. Voting in the caucus only took a few minutes |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's not how it is in most states. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. That's because of high voter turnout |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. There ya go. REAL democracy |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. ... |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. I'm not trying to start a flame war but... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Taking Fiorino's neo-con propaganda as "any text" |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
8. Hillary can't win them ergo in HillaryWorld they are "undemocratic." |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. the Iowa caucus is undemocratic at least, because you don't have a private ballot |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Where is it written democarcy depends upon a... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Bullshit. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. Because Hillary isn't winning them. nt |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
16. Because not everyone can participate. I don't know why any Dem would |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
18. What's more democratic? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. popular vote, through secret/private ballot, that's democratic |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
22. They are only undemocratic when the "wrong" candidate wins. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
25. Caucuses have been around for decades...it's not until |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. so many deniers of history and facts |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Do you have examples? |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. This has nothing to do |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
29. Because Clinton can't win them, and it's harder to cheat with them? |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
32. Because the Clinton campaign lives in an Orwellian opposite world: |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
35. Because Hillary tends to lose them? |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
36. Cause Hillary can't win them |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
38. A caucus is kind of like an instant run-off in a way |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
39. Even if a caucus is somehow "less democratic" |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Superdelegates taking this into account isn't "changing the rules" |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. huh? I didn't make any comment on superdelegates |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Nor did I make a comment on "changing the rules." |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:23 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. my comment was addressed to the OP |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. "these problems with caucuses" |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
40. Because it disenfranchises a whole mess of people who don't have |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
41. They aren't insofar as they are meetings on business and issues... |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
48. What is "undemocratic" about having a brief debate before voting? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
50. Caucuses have a specific purpose Clinton supporters overlook in their anger |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
53. I think Texas was a good example. One person won the vote, and... |
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