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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:48 AM Original message |
Mother Jones article: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics (was a surprise to me) - |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. I don't recall Christ calling for no steenking "spiritual war." |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. war is peace what repugs say and many in religious belt dominion attitude. didnt read |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Sounds like an attempt at a nicer was of saying "Holy Crusade" doesn't it? I would never have |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
2. Best quote: |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Whoa, that's some info about Grace Nelson. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Exactly. This is not about religion, it's about power, wealth and control |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. What is particularly dangerous is when they feel that they have the right... |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Kinda leaves a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Kinda? |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Yeah, sometimes politics and religion isn't such a good mix, like here for example.... |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. Well, I don't like lots of religion mixed with politics but I must |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. My exact feeling..... |
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Cogito ergo doleo (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
6. Harper's and LATimes had interesting articles on that too: |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Thank you. I was just saying I wanted more info. I was supporting a modern woman, this isn't how I |
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Cogito ergo doleo (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. Thank you. I was surprised about this too. I have always |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
81. "sex-seggregated prayer cells"? Let's hear from the pro-HRC"feministas" on this one. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. I wonder how many people know she's a member of The Fellowship. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Good idea. I think voters, especially those in progressive areas, deserve to know this. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. After you read that then check out Steve Soto's Column...Edwards was member of group, too.. |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Thanks for the info. This is what DU is good for even in times when... |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I agree. It's important to note anyone involved. This seems more than just a personal choice for |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Here's what one of the authors of the piece says about Edwards' association with The Fellowship |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I'd be happy to hear Hillary say the same. nt |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. Obama "associated" with Coburn in ethics reform |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. Sex segregated cells? |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. I Had Heard About The Prayer Group |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. See these articles too. - Posted above by DUer Cogito ergo doleo - |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Thanks |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Thanks |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. I read this article when it first came out, and I was troubled by what it said, and didn't say. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. From Harper's article on "The Family". Please K&R for DUers who may be unfamiliar with this DC group |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. The Harpers Article Is a Great Article |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
18. More proof of what she really is |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Because she practices what she preaches? |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. This goes beyond religious beliefs |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. Using religion to gain power, but also to rationalize... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. This isn't about religious beliefs. It's about power and secret connections. |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
22. Now why does this statement .... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I guess Hillary talks to GAWD too, just like Bush! |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. It's not the talking to that scares me, it's the answering. |
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mojowork_n (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. OMG, the Fellowship, the Prayer Breakfast group !?! |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Just makes me want to find out if the Bush family, starting with Prescott, |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. "We Bushies have our own special 'elite' occult cell. Smirk." - Commander AWOL |
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mojowork_n (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Read the first link I put up, Prescott's there, with Smedley Butler, the plot against FDR n/t |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. "THE CHRISTIAN MAFIA" Any problems with Madsen aside, this article should be required reading. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Great post, thanks. |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
72. The Christian Mafia article is very important. I also have grave concerns... |
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mojowork_n (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Right now, the other two choices aren't looking good, at all. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yellow journalism. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. This isn't a faith problem--it's a power-and-connections problem. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
69. I disagree |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. OMG! Hillary prays over eggs!! |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. I've been bringing this up periodically for 2 months, usually I'm scoffed at. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Sorry I missed it previously. But it's good that you come back and try again. There's a lot |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
36. I am so sick of people who say they are religous |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
46. There may also be a Jack Abramoff connection |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. If ever a situation deserved investigative reporting... but M.Moore is too controversial - where are |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
47. I think it is beyond the pale that many posts are mocking her over her failth. shame on you! |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Not mocking, questioning |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Do we need to dig up all the posts questioning Obama's faith? |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. It's not mocking her faith, it's questioning her connections to powerful zealots with agendas. nt |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Shameful AND hilarious, given the zeal of Obama |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
48. eeeeeek it's christians!!! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. eek, it's politicians! |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. "...the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes." |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
51. Not ever nearly as bad as Obama's pastor....imagine continuing to go to that church! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Africans! Oh noes! |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
79. I would MUCH rather go to that church than to prayer breakfasts with Hillary and the "Fambly"... |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
53. I find this disturbing |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. 3 additional articles on "The Fellowship" aka "The Family" : |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
54. Does the world really need more of Bush Clinton Bush Clinton? |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
55. Must read article! |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
59. As people get older, their religious convictions tend to increase. |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I think this goes beyond religion |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Seeing as you have venus of willendorf for an avatar... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
66. This again? Good god you people, have you nothing better to do? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I don't have a problem with that |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. I'd be fine with looking at any candidates associations with secret power groups in D.C. - |
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Kaylee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
68. I didn't know about this.... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
76. this is a well known fact she has been involved with these people |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
78. Remember that JFK was considered suspecious and not to |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. the Catholic Church doesn't pretend not to exist... |
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