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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 PM Original message |
Why was South Carolina allowed to change its primary to an earlier date and wasn't even sanctioned? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. You think Hillary lost because of the date? Why did Puerto Rico change to a primary from a caucus? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It isn't about who won. It is about "Why" they weren't sanctioned |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I'm not sure about this(you can only remember so much) but back |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Why caucus changed to primary for PR? That's easy: because caucuses are undemocratic.... |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. The main reason |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Didn't it have to do with the size of the state? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. It was a deal |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. yep |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, I find that curious. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. Any state that wanted to go early asked the DNC for permission |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Why didn't they help FL knowing state Rethugs were changing the date, & Dems couldnt over-ride it? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. DNC tried to talk to FL, but FL wouldn't communicate. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. That is NOT TRUE. SEN NELSON practically begged Dean to help, he wouldn't. Nelson SUED DEAN. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. They refused to listen to Dean and the DNC. Why are you spreading lies like this? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I have read, seen interviews w/ Sen Nelson. Dems couldn't over-ride Rethug votes, |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Please document where Sen. Nelson tried to stop Reps from moving date. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. Oh, Senator Nelson did no such thing! |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I wish you would stop saying it was Deans fault...do you read, or look |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. He's the CHAIRMAN, and Sen Nelson asked him to help because Rethugs were controlling the date switch |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Dean said they bypassed the DNC and went to the media for attention. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
60. Because Florida didn't compalin until 2007 when it was too late |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Well we lobbied for AZ , which was alot more representaive of the west than Nevada and |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. HI did also. We have the most diverse population in the nation. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Because they did it within the rules, as opposed to against the rules. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. I've never felt good about how Dean did this whole thing. It stunk from the beginning. |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Umm... The FL Democratic party supported changing the date.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
46. Read this. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. Waaaaah! Michigan and Florida didn't say pretty please like Nevada and South Carolina... |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. You people who post this repetitive, juvenile reply make this board look ridiculous. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yes, rules are rules, and the DNC voted on the schedule |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. We have a CHAIRMAN & LEADERS who refused to help FL Dems when Rethugs changed the date |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. FL Dems weren't asking for help. They weren't even speaking to the DNC on this. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. That is a LIE. The leading Senator practically begged Dean to help work it out, and then had to SUE |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. Gelber Minority Leader in FL House admits they wanted the move. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Senator Nelson if you wondered. Call his office, go ahead and ask him. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. HEY....read this and stop spreading lies. |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. I remember reading those journals mad. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. They wanted to break the rules for Hillary. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. I do not know all the details, but |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Read my comments above yours. I know the details of FL. It stinks. Dean screwed it up. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. That is a lie. Florida leaders did it to the people. Deliberately . |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Fl Dems couldn't over-ride the Republicans. Nelson tried getting Dean to help. Bottom line. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. No, Dean said they bypassed the DNC |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. WOW!! n/t |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Are you from/in Florida |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Sen. Nelson has been interviewd on tv recent days. Voting record is fact. Look it up yourself. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Everybody has friends in FL. |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
55. Your argument would be a little more believable if you ever used links |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Deleted message |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Everyone hates me today. I think I will cry. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. They got permission from the DNC because they were leapfrogged |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
30. saracat, it started a while ago, and, it was put out by the DNC, McAuliffe in '04 |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
35. Um, I think the key word is "allowed" nt |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
39. The DNC allowed 'exceptions' |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Not true. 4 states were in the pre-window.... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
40. The campaigns competing for that state's delegates raised no objection |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
43. saracat, you know better. You are politically knowledgeable... |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I sadly agree :-( n/t |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Actually, I do know the process. I am not sure I agree with how it played out. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I agree that Dean may have played |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Please explain how if he worked within the process of the rules. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I do not know |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. The state party leaders for Hillary could have avoided it easily. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. What "should" have happened? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Florida and Michigan didn't complain when Dean was taking applications for early status |
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kananikui (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I'm confused |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Maybe you have not researched. I have. Here you go. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. In hindsight, it would have been good if the penalty was stripping the superdelegates |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
62. In fact I posted about how they went to the DNC for permission. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
63. States parties were given an opportunity to apply to move their primary earlier |
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