The Obama-haters need to calm down.

[JVS]

He's going to be the nominee, and all this spreading of ill will on your parts could help the republicans in the end. Wind it down, people.

[SoFlaJet]

1. that's the point JVS

they don't WANT Obama to beat McCain-they want "their Girl' to run again in 2012-they are NOT democrats these are Clintoncrats

[JVS]

7. Don't they realize that people already dislike her and if she pulls this shit people will vote...

against her even more?

[Name removed]

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[niceypoo]

97. So you admit that it is "Hate?"

But I thought Obama instilled HOPE and UNITY in people?

Looks like someone is pushing false hope

[NastyRiffraff]

2. I don't hate Obama...

I don't LIKE him, I don't TRUST him, but I don't HATE him.

Hey, is it okay to criticize him? Or not? I wouldn't want to offend anyone!

[JackintheGreen]

4. Only at your peril, Nasty

Only at your peril. :)

[Critters2]

8. That's the point. It is not okay to criticize him.

He's the freaking second coming!

But there's this...when this inexperienced flash in the pan proves unable to govern effectively, you'll get to say "I told you so". FWIW.

[JVS]

10. He's not the second coming. He just happens to be the one with a delegate lead that won't go away.

[Critters2]

14. So it is okay to criticize him?

Good to know. Thanks! :hi:

[JVS]

19. Try to keep it constructive though.

You might also want to rein in some of the more rabid of your flock and have them calm down. The idea is that they should be able to vote for the Dem in the fall. Shouting "Rezko, Farrakhan, Obama eats babies" doesn't help with that.

[Critters2]

27. We're not a flock. We're individuals coming to our own conclusions. nt

[JVS]

29. You do not exist in isolation. Talk to each other, get the more extreme members of your group to...

chill.

[Critters2]

31. "My group" was supporting the only progressive in the primaries,

until the media crowned your guy. I'd like to see a progressive run for president, but I only have a choice between two centrists. You have more in common with the "other side" than I do.

[JVS]

33. Your current group is hillary supporters, some of them are acting insane and need some help...

from the sane hillary supporters.

[Critters2]

37. I'm still an Edwards supporter.

The only sane members of the party. Lost to insanity, as is too often the case.

[JVS]

39. Well he quit.

and personally I didn't really buy his act much. It was nice that he was willing to apologize for IWR, and his support for the poor was nice. Unfortunately it really didn't fit his record, which was a problem in his general credibility. He was certainly better than Clinton though.

[Critters2]

42. He was better than Obama. Hope and change do not constitute policy positions. nt

[JVS]

45. Neither does "My father was a mill worker"

[Critters2]

46. I'd prefer the Democrats ran candidates who come from working class backgrounds. nt

[JVS]

48. If that's the case, then Obama has Edwards beat by a mile. Raised by a single mom from a young...

age rather than from a family where his father worked as a supervisor at a mill.

[saracat]

55. He wasn't really raised by a 'single Mom. he was mostly raised by his middle class

grandparents and his mother.And he was by no means poverty stricken.

[Critters2]

57. Raised by grandparents who were not poor. When to a private school.

Yeah, I read the books too. I'm not impressed.

[JVS]

64. In any case, growing up the son of a mill supervisor is not a policy position.

[Critters2]

67. Edwards was outlining policy positions when Obama was chanting

"hope" and "change". I attended rallies for both candidates in Iowa. Edwards had substance. Obama had really pretty signs.

[JVS]

68. Look. He lost. Get over it.

I'm done here. This discussion is leading nowhere.

[Critters2]

70. I fear we're going to nominate a man who can't get elected,

or worse, elect a man who can't govern. And the party will pay for that for decades to come.

[Yurovsky]

99. FWIW, Kucinich was far more progressive than Edwards...

not sure how much of it had to do with the fact that JE had to vote towards the center to keep the folks in N. Carolina happy. But Kucinich WAS in the race, and his credentials (from a progressive standpoint) are hard to knock.

In any event, the country is going to need every last one of us to get out and vote for Senator Obama this November. Don't let something posted on a message board dissuade you from helping your country. Sitting at home is almost as bad as voting for the GOP. Heck, even if you vote Green or Socialist for POTUS, you can still help elect Democrats to Congress. I'd just hate to see the American Left once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Critters2]

101. I'd like the American left allowed to be involved in the process.

But the money goes to the centrists, so the delegates do, too.

[tabasco]

71. Got a SCHOLARSHIP to a private school.

I suppose you grew up laboring as a sharecropper like Hillary.

[saracat]

61. And Edwards did not have a spouse who was currently contributing to the family nest egg through

corporate health care representation. The Obama's are making money off the very health care victims they claim to want to "save". Maybe thats why he doesn't believe in "universal health care. Michelle even got a raise to almost $400,000 a year plus the fees she gets from other corporations for attending meetings several times a year.

[dansolo]

44. Ah, the Nader strategy

You want the Democrats to lose so they'll become more progressive after seeing what will happen. That was the idea in 2000. And how did that turn out?

[saracat]

65. Can we point out that Reiko was his Senate Finance Chair?

[Critters2]

75. Rezko. Yes, and a good friend. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

15. Unfortunately, I'll take no pleasure in saying "I told you so."

I'm afraid of exactly that...that he's all flash and will be unable to effectively govern.

[goclark]

63. Don't want to support her, she runs a slime campaign

and her lack of expeience in running a decent campaign is not what I want this generation of young voters to value.

I though she was a better person that the face she shows now.

Got to go to donate to OBAMA.

Whenever I respond to a post that bashes Obama, I donate to his campaign.

Thanks!

[movonne]

20. That is exactly how I feel about hillary...I think hillary will bad for the

country..I was an Edwards supporter and would of loved to have him but not to be..I distrust her and the DLC and a good portion of the one working for her..so my pick was obama especially after the Kennedy's endorsement...here I see most of the progressive liberal behind him and that makes me even more hopeful..

[Hepburn]

51. Ditto....

...Edwards was my candidate, too.

After choosing a progressive like JRE, there was NO way in hell I could then back Repubbie Lite Hillary.

[Critters2]

80. They're both Repubbie lite. That's the problem. nt

[Benhurst]

22. Shh! How you dare criticize The One.

[Bake]

3. Take another big chug from your Kool-Aid pitcher.

Nothing's over 'til it's over. Maybe Obama and his O-bots should calm down. You're just helping the Repubs.

Bake

[freesqueeze]

5. I say, "Let 'em rant."

Iraq will win it for Obama (or rather lose it for the others).

[Horse with no Name]

6. I think obama should bow out for the good of the party

besides...it seems that you and your widdle friends can't stand the heat...so get the fuck out of the kitchen.

[TwilightGardener]

11. LOL! You're the wimpus who was complaining about "bands of thugs"--

:rofl:

[Horse with no Name]

13. describes you and your ilk to a "tee"

But thanks for "visiting" the Clinton forum.
I guess you are there to steal stuff for your candidate.
Classy. :puke:

[JVS]

17. Poor widdle hillary can't handle that the voters don't help her.

So now we're stuck waiting 6 weeks so that she can suddenly realize that PA (even if she wins it) isn't going to put her in a viable position.

[mculator]

9. Yeah, calm down guys...

Hillary supporters like myself will be like, Where'd Everyone Go?

[backscatter712]

16. The Obama haters need to go back to Free Republic and Redstate.

You think we don't see through you? You think we don't know you're just here to stir the shit?

[Critters2]

30. Umm...you're the ones reaching across the aisle

to Freepers and Redstate.

[backscatter712]

32. Who's Rush and Coulter telling their zealots to vote for again?

Oh yeah, Hillary!

[Name removed]

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[JVS]

21. take your own advice

[Jim Sagle]

23. Gotcher Kool-Aid right here.

[JVS]

24. Your responses are the exact kind of problem the OP is about.

Wind it down. It will make it easier for you to do the right thing when you vote in November.

[Jim Sagle]

25. The OP is an ass. Ultimatums against half the party won't work. Get that through your thick skull.

[sniffa]

41. Damnit

An ignored evolved into a deleted message. That must have been some good advice.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

102. !

:spray: need.new.monitor :spank:

[CitizenLeft]

121. damn!

:rofl:

It was bound to happen.

[Jillian]

26. I second that.

[hell-bent]

38. Excellent response!

[sueragingroz]

28. If Obama has it in the bag...

Why do the majority of threads on this board go after Hillary?

If you guys are so sure that he has the nomination, why don't you go outside and play with your kids, or whatever you do in your spare time instead of posting crap all over this board?

just curious...

I'm thinking that if Obama has it in the bag, this forum would be overwhelmed by the sound of crickets...

[depakid]

34. See why people look at the campaign as cult-like?

No one here hates Obama- or the campaign. Some however, do see a disturbing lack of critical thought and a certain arrogant naivety of what it'll take to win a general election.

And many people with a lot of experience don't want to see everyone else drug down with that, as has happened all too many times in the past?

[metalluk]

35. Picking a President is NOT primarily a love/hate issue

Barack Obama is a more likeable person than Hillary Clinton.

Barack Obama is intelligent, a great speaker, and has excellent interpersonal skills.

I did not vote for Barack Obama in the recent primary and will not vote for him in November because (a) he is grossly underqualified and underprepared for the presidency; (b) he has chosen to design his campaign around personality and emotional appeals rather than substance; (c) twice, in recent day, his campaign advisors have inadvertently revealed that their campaign positions don't necessarily coincide with Barack's actual positions; and (d) he exhibits poor judgment (seeking a position for which he is not qualified without first acquiring the requisite level of experience and by being addicted to tobacco).

I don't hate the man in the slightest. I feel certain that my family would enjoy his company much more than that of Hillary Clinton. I also feel certain that he does not yet have the skills or experience for the Presidency of the U.S.

I place his odds of winning the nomination at 80-85%, not the certainty that you'd like people to assume. Those of us who believe him unqualified have no choice but to try to persuade the Democratic Party to nominate a candidate for whom we can vote.

[Critters2]

82. Thank you so much for posting this. Now I hope people will listen. nt

[hell-bent]

36. Surely you jest!

This is one of the most humorous posting that I have seen for quite a period. Ha,ha,ha,

[sniffa]

40. 3 more of them on this thread just got wound down

to my ignore list. No need to even give the time of day to liars, or the cult-memers. They won't be missed.

[JVS]

43. I wonder what would happen if we had a "post your ignore list" thread in the lounge.

OMG it would be hilarious.

[sniffa]

50. I've posted mine on occasion

It doesn't last very long though.

[JVS]

52. locked or nuked?

[sniffa]

58. Nuked

One time, I started a thread in the lounge that said, "Guess what this is" followed by a list of DUers. That one actually stayed up for about an hour or so. And no one guessed what it was either (though I did make it a little less obvious by removing 3 names that would have given it away too easily).

[JVS]

54. BTW don't you love it when people on ignore continue posting to your threads

[hell-bent]

59. "Ignore list?"

Why would someone be so inept at answering some poster's comments that they would have to put them on "Ignore"? Wussies?

[JVS]

62. Because some people, often noobs with low post counts or supporters of losers, ask no questions.

Instead they run around spewing personal attacks and acting like the true dumbasses that they are. Putting them on ignore makes for a better DU experience.

[bicentennial_baby]

73. Edit, wrong place

[sniffa]

76. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[JVS]

77. what did I miss?

[bicentennial_baby]

79. Look below

:D

[JVS]

81. nice!

[hell-bent]

49. What cult-memers(sic)

were you speaking about?

[Jim Sagle]

96. Until election day. THEN they'll be missed.

[apocalypsehow]

47. Well said. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[New Dawn]

53. K&R

[cbayer]

56. I agree with you, but this cuts both ways.

And your advice that the supporters of certain candidates should calm down those in their camp that are out of control is excellent.

I applaud it every time i see a Clinton supporter call down an Obama hater.

I applaud every time I see an Obama supporter call down a Cllinton hater.

Certainly you do not believe this is a one-sided problem?

[JVS]

60. There is ill will on both sides, but it is very unlikely that Clinton will be the candidate.

This means that the Hillary haters merely need to tone it down enough not to bring her up once she's out of the race. The Obama haters need to do a lot more calming down because they need to be able to support the nominee.

[saracat]

69. But many aren't going to do so. Many will write in the name of our favorite Democrat

and only vote the down line. I am considering doing that if Obama is the nominee and I cannot in good concionce talk anyone else out of doing so as well.I just don't think I can pull the lever for Obama. I could try but it isn't likely.

[cbayer]

72. I would hope that you have enough respect

to recognize that there are a lot of people (not just here, but everywhere) that disagree with your premise.

And though many find it anathema, there is still a strong possibility of a joint ticket.

But whatever reasoning any of us want to use, the haters on both sides need to be shut done. It is destructive to the party whichever side it comes from.

[hell-bent]

83. "out of the race"?

Hillary is going all the way to the convention in Denver; and, when the SDs look at the states that each of the candidates has won, they will conclude that Clinton is the best choice to defeat McCain. Will you then do the Jonestown thing?

[JVS]

84. I think your predictions are incorrect.

Eventually she will leave the race. Hopefully before a horrible convention

[hell-bent]

90. Wish in one hand,

and defecate in the other and see what you get,eh. No, it's not Obama! :>)

[JVS]

93. you're the one wishing and shitting with your Hillary predictions

[lame54]

74. sadly many on both sides believe just that...

It's always the other guy, not them. I say we call a draw and anoint them co-nominees.

[cbayer]

85. Wouldn't that be great.

How powerful and effective a team would that be?

But sadly, the fight for top dog is going to prevent that, in the near future at least.

[Name removed]

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[bicentennial_baby]

78. Yes, and hopefully this will end soon too:

Just taking the new scanner for a spin :D

[hell-bent]

88. Yes, it will probably

be over after Pennsylvania when your candidate gets his ass handed to him!:rofl: So sorry....

[sniffa]

89. This really deserves its own thread

:rofl:

[hell-bent]

92. On what do you base

this opinion?...because it is rather insulting to the Clinton supporters? Or, just some "good ole boys" sick, fucking humor? :puke:

[bicentennial_baby]

94. Good ole boys?

It's from Rolling Stone's latest issue. Chill out.

[rodeodance]

86. Bookmarked

[mtnsnake]

87. Obama haters? Only Clinton haters like you run rampant on this forum

What a lame try.

[Prophet 451]

91. Enough with the "hate" bullshit

Not supporting a candidate doesn't mean you "hate" them. Being for one candidate doesn't mean you hate the other one. Jeez, get a grip, people. This is starting to get like "why do you hate America?".

[lastknowngood]

95. Just as soon as the Hillery haters calm down.

n/t

[rug]

98. Must I wait until Dec. 2009 when I hear his 7th speech as to why there are still troops in Iraq?

I really don't want to offend anyone prematurely.

[JVS]

100. Would you prefer Hillary just telling you not to get your hopes up on withdrawing from Iraq?

He's more likely than her to do anything about it.

[rug]

106. She's not making those promises though.

I find it her to trust someone who makes promises he can't keep and then, after the fact, places conditions on those promises.

Clinton, for all her faults, will more likely say the wrong thing but in the end do the right thing.

[JVS]

108. I seriously don't get you!

What is so FUCKING GREAT about a candidate that offers absolutely nothing?

Obama might not be able to deliver everything, but at least we get something.

It makes no sense.

I'm almost ready to put anyone using this argument on ignore, because I am just so sick of the constant
"But Hillary isn't selling herself as the candidate offering: peace, better wages, clean air, not to kill your dog, to let you live etc."

WTF DOES SHE OFFER?

[rug]

112. What she offers is a history that is predictable.

You can moan and ignore all you want but the Clinton presidency on balance was more progressive than regressive. It is a fair indicator of what she offers for the next 4 years.

If you don't like it, don't vote for her. Simple. But the hatred and bullshit spewn at her is not only wrong for the most part but says nothing in favor of Obama. Vote for him because he's not her. Or her husband. Stupid.

Obama, on the other hand, in the short time he's been running, has regularly contradicted himself on his plans for Iraq, has regularly conditioned, to the point of meaninglessnesss, any promise that has survived the contradictions and, in my view, has shown a willingness to throw principle aside, to the same level, at least, of Hillary Clinton.

I prefer to vote for someone whose faults as well as strengths are well known rather than to vote for an incipient hypocrite.

[JVS]

114. Predictably terrible. I'd much rather roll the bones here. We've got nothing to lose.

I can't believe your avatar.
Let me guess, trotskyite?

[rug]

116. No, Lutheran.

[JVS]

117. I thought you were Catholic

But the Marx avatar?

[rug]

119. I thought you liked Uncle Joe.

Attack Clinton all you want but no comparisons to Trotsky.

And I am Catholic.

[JVS]

120. Hey, the SOB I do know over the unpredictable, just like you said.

Or at least I could justify it as such by your logic.

[moobu2]

103. I cant stand Barack

I personally don’t know anyone who’s going to vote for the guy in the GE and neither me, or any of my close friends have ever voted for anyone besides a DEM. One friend said they would be voting for him, just because he was probably going to be the nominee, but after I told him about Barack accusing the Clintons of being racists in SC, he said he couldn’t vote for Barack either.

What does that mean? hell of I know..... it’s just the way it is.

[sniffa]

104. Will the Obama supporters please leave the room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzyrXIx3Tpg

[HCE SuiGeneris]

105. !!

:rofl:

That's now 2 monitors, damn you! :grr:

[JVS]

109. It's so true.

[40ozDonkey]

110. wow!

That video was pure win.

[bridgit]

107. hahahahahahahahaha, um, kettle meet pot?

:spray: :rofl:

[JVS]

111. No. Because your candidate cannot possibly get a win that doesn't doom her chances this fall

She shouldn't have lost 12 primaries in a row if she wanted to be president. It's bad form.

[bridgit]

118. If you've ever played poker at even, oh say, Reno; you will have known...

that a stack of random poker chips may well contain chips of rather quite various denominations i.e a stack of 12 (which is what y'all cannot get past) $5 to even $10 chips does not therefore equal a shorter stack of chips worth far much more...sorry

[Straight Shooter]

113. This sanctimonious lecture coming from YOU of all people?

Unbelievable chutzpah.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

115. He Might Be The Nominee, And Hillary Might Be Too. They Also Can Both Be On The Same Ticket.

So both sides should stop the bullshit spreading of ill will already.

Your message would've been far more effective and honorable if it hadn't been so foolishly biased. What you said applies to both camps, and it would've served you better to have framed it as such.