Without her husbands last name Hillary would not be where she is today - TRUE / FALSE

[rndmprsn]

Poll question: Without her husbands last name Hillary would not be where she is today - TRUE / FALSE

simple enough question in light of clinton campaign member, ferraro's comment RE Obama/Black...

[Birthmark]

1. Impossible to say, isn't it?

If she hadn't married Bill maybe she'd have gone into politics on her own, much earlier.

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. And probably failed miserably at it.

As this campaign is making rather clear, she doesn't really have the personality or the temperament of a successful natural politician. Bill, on the other hand, was probably the best natural politician of his generation. I think it's fair to say that given the qualities he has that she lacks, that she probably wouldn't have gotten where she is without him; but then it's also probably the case that he wouldn't have gotten where he did without her. (merely on the basis of temperament and likability, he makes the better front man for their act, though.)

[rug]

8. And been Senator from Illinois.

Sorry, Barack.

[patrice]

2. According to the principles upon which certain other statements have been made,

don't you also have to include her race in such polls?

If it is true that Obama got to where he is right now because he is Black, then it also must be true that Hillary is where she is right now because she is "White".

[MethuenProgressive]

3. I wonder if the DUbamas know their 'true' votes mock their fake outrage over Ferraro?

It's almost amusing to watch them.
Almost.
Actually, it's rather sad.

[rucky]

7. was she born being married to Bill?

[MethuenProgressive]

9. You voted True, eh?

[rucky]

14. I didn't vote.

It's impossible to say. I think she has the skills to make it far on her own, but having the Big Dog there and the name recognition going into the primary sure doesn't hurt.

[Yes We Did]

24. According to Ferraro Hillary is only where she is because she is a woman.

[paperbag_ princess]

5. maybe she would have gone farther

Another good question:

Would Bill have gotten to where he is without her? Of course not...

and doesn't she deserve some credit there? Of course she does.

[napi21]

6. No way to know! Sorta like "What if I had been born a Kennedy, or

Donald Trump's daughter?

[Deep13]

10. No one does it alone.

This is misogynist crap. And if HC married someone else, that guy would have become president.

[stevietheman]

15. I guess sometimes facts can be misogynist. n/t

n/t

[Cheap_Trick]

20. so, Bill was president BECAUSE he was married to HRC?

:spray:


wait, you were serious?

[jakem]

22. well, married to another woman

he may well have has his ass kicked for letting it out of his pants.

she did enable him in many ways.

[stahbrett]

11. Obama is where he is despite his name; Hillary is where she is because of her name (nt)

[rndmprsn]

29. well said...

[mmonk]

12. I believe she could make a name for herself as senator of NY.

However, I guess one could argue she wouldn't have made senator without the name. However, if she were doing a bad job there, we would know it and she would have been rejected on that basis. So I don't use this line of thinking.

[SKKY]

13. And some would even argue that she came out of that Lewinksi...

...nonsense much better than when she went in. I'm just sayin'.

[Adelante]

16. I voted True on this poll

Because in terms of the presidential primary and the path her campaign took, until pulling him back fairly recently, I think it is true.

BUT

She is a smart and talented woman and would have gone far in her own career married to a plumber rather than a president. Would she be running for president? I do think so. Yes.

[Exilednight]

17. False - and here is why.........

If she was born male, female, white, Hispanic, Latino, African-American, Asian, gay, or lesbian - it wouldn't have mattered. All other things being equal, her lust for power would have gotten her to the same place.

[CoffeeCat]

18. You know what is really sad?

Is that Hillary Clinton gave up a very bright future to go to Arkansas with Bill.

She was a star as an undergrad and in law school--and she was part of the impeachment
hearings against Nixon. She probably could have gone anywhere and had any job she
wanted in her field.

She followed dysfunctional Bill to Arkansas and put her plans on hold--in order to
prop up Bill's political career.

I get the feeling that part of Hillary's vociferous attitude that she's entitled to
the Presidency, is in part due to her anger and resentment about what she's sacrificed
for so many years. Not only did she put her career on hold, she has constantly endured
his degrading womanizing and sick affairs with cheap women.

Her entitlement to the Presidency, seems fueled by her assertion that
she damn well put up with too much--and now it's her turn.

If Hillary Clinton had gone her own way, her career would have risen faster and she would
have been a legal and political superstar earlier. Furthermore, she wouldn't be saddled
with such horrendous emotional baggage--rage, sorrow, resentment, self-centeredness and
layers of denial. In all accounts of Bill's abusive affairs, Hillary is described as
immediately going into "battle mode" and seeking to destroy and take down the women
making these accusations. She seems to have no real emotion about these actions. She
looks at Bill's degradations as a battle to be fought and won. Serious denial.

I think Bill Clinton has dragged Hillary down. I look at pictures of her at college, and I see
an idealistic, promising young woman who hooked up with an egomaniac sex addict who hobbled
her professionally and psychologically.

She can't win now and she knows that. However, she can't accept the reality because this isn't
just about losing an election --it's about how she lost herself many years ago. For
many years, she rationalized that she's have the "big prize" as reward for enduring her losses
and Bill's affairs. Now, that payoff isn't happening.

It's a tragic story, all the way around.

[Mimosa]

25. It is a sad story

TwoSparkles, you've described the Hillary story better than I've ever read it.

The sadder thing will be if Hillary wins the Presidency, her consolation prize, because of women's sympathy for her travails and because she sunk low enough to have let her campaign exploit latent racial fear and bias in order to win. But she will be in denial about it too.

[KittyWampus]

26. your post deserves it's own thread. Very sympathetic view, IMO.

[Spazito]

32. Wow, well said! n/t

[rndmprsn]

19. after 80 votes DU has spoken...90% agree her last name is everything.

[noonwitch]

21. Without his wife by his side, Bill Clinton would not be where he is today

There are a lot of ways to look at it.

[Swamp Rat]

23. Ironically, the name "Clinton" may prevent her from going any further.

I believe something happened when Bill Clinton went to South Carolina... her campaign took a bad turn.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. for the record, watch this.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHW0RzXe4DQ



.

[xultar]

28. I think she'd have been president already.

[jazzjunkysue]

30. The first time, she slept her way into the west wing.

This time, she has to do this herself. I have to admit, it takes alot of guts to serve yourself up to the GOP swiftboaters from hell, after everything she's already been through.

But I think Obama's going to be taking those hits this time.

[Spazito]

31. I have no idea, she may be exactly where she is had she stayed

Hillary Rodham or married someone not in the public arena. Margaret Thatcher succeeded, regardless if one likes or dislikes what she did with her success, other women have succeeded. Women can succeed on their own, Hillary may or may not have been one of those but, it is, in some ways, a moot point, as she IS Hillary Clinton and is running as Hillary Clinton with all the pluses and minuses that comes with it.

Geraldine Ferraro's comments, to me, are separate and apart. Her comments, past and current, are inherently racist in their content, they were when Hillary Clinton wasn't running and are when Hillary Clinton is.

Hillary Clinton should have strongly spoken out against the point of view Ferraro put forward but she chose not to and that speaks volumes to me, not because her last name is Clinton, but because she did not show the principles she espouses to have.