Obama Changes Mind: "We now do NOT want a Michigan Re-Vote..and We Demand 50% of Michigan's Votes"

[BeatleBoot]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5050394&mesg_id=5050394

Obama wants 50% of Michigan's votes - even though he didn't even show up jan 15th.

and now he flip flops and says "no Michigan re-vote"

This is just too funny!!!!!



"No Michigan Re-vote" http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080312/NEWS15/80312065

In Lansing, the co-chairs of Obama’s campaign rejected outright the idea of a mail-in campaign and said they were opposed to any kind of do-over vote.

See also: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/17353/7404

[SoonerPride]

1. Better Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5051342

[DJ13]

2. Its expensive, no one wants to pay fot it, the results would end up 50/50

Why bother revoting?

Besides, Obama has the resources to pour into Michigan that Hillary cant match, your candidate would probably come out ahead with her 50% verses what she might end up with.

[WinOneAlready]

45. I don't think he'll get anywhere near 50% in MI

It will go just like Ohio. Let people vote, and let their votes be counted. What does he have against letting people vote? It isn't coming out of his pocket.

[Frances]

3. IMO the only fair thing to do is to have a re-vote

of some sort in both Florida (where both Obama and Hillary were on the ballot) and in Michigan (where only Hillary was on the ballot).

If Hillary wins Florida and Michigan convincingly, then she and Obama will have to bury the hatchet and come to an understanding about what's best for the party.

[Breeze54]

37. Kucinich and Gravel were also on the ticket. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

4. If you're going to use quotation marks, you should be sure to actually quote

something that someone said.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

26. Actual quoted words within quotation marks!?!? What a concept!

":eyes: "

[tabatha]

5. Cherry picking....

But the senator’s national campaign manager David Plouffe was more circumspect.

“We will watch very carefully to see what remedies are floated,” he said.

[Double T]

6. If it isn't a rigged caucus, obama isn't interested.

[greyghost]

34. Exactly. I bet the DNC is ready to follow the Repug model from now on.

[cascadiance]

41. Just stick with the DEMONSTRABLY rigged primary instead is better huh?

[Seabiscuit]

7. So he's throwing a hissy fit because they won't give him 50% of the vote? What ever

happened to letting the people's voices be heard through their vote. What's wrong with the mail in campaign?

[AX10]

9. Suddenly, he doesn't want their voices to be heard.

[BeatleBoot]

10. And he wants 50% of the Vote!!! Too funny.

I guess he was coronated already.

Must have missed that one!

[Zachstar]

22. That is BS

[jackson_dem]

23. Obama is clearly in the wrong party since he is no democrat

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

8. I swear to God... Edwards should demand his 33% if that's the game now

I demand 50%!

[tyne]

11. This is bullshit

there are no quotes around anything that is being asserted.

THIS is the new Hillary scheme. Float around the myth that Obama demands this.

[DesEtoiles]

12. No matter what happens, Hillary will not be the nominee.

[greyghost]

35. Guess again.

[mkultra]

13. yeah, im afraid your going to need to quote more

than free republic and DU.

[eShirl]

14. "Obama Campaign Denies Michigan Co-Chair's Claim That Campaign Opposes Revote"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_campaign_denies_michigan.php

[mkultra]

17. oh schnapp!

[anamandujano]

25. Good, then we can hold him to it.

:thumbsup:

[lmbradford]

15. I believe the truth is.....

The states would have to change their actual state laws to have a mail-in vote. That obviously cannot be done quickly and therefore BOTH campaigns agreed that it was not an option. EOM

[BenDavid]

16. Well hell! The man did not have to take his name off the ballot.

There was no legal reason for him too, nor Edwards, but both did in hopes of playing games against the HRC campaign in Iowa.....I say since he took his name off the ballot obama was not running in this primary and I say give the delegates to HRC and none to Obama...

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[jackson_dem]

24. He was supposed to not advertise in Florida either but did so anyway

His name was on the ballot in FL. Why not in MI if the pandering to IA and MI by taking his name off was so sacred?

[anonymous171]

27. national ad, ran everywhere.

[jackson_dem]

28. Which violated the agreement

He could have adhered to it and waited until after the FL primary to run it.

[anonymous171]

29. Which totally voids the election and should therefore not count or should at least be re-done

[jackson_dem]

30. If there is no revote let the vote stand. Disenfranchisement is not an option to any true Democrat

[anonymous171]

32. But the presence of Obama's ad clearly shows that the race was in his favor.

Hillary was at a disadvantage because she couldn't campaign there. Shouldn't we be fair to BOTH sides?

[jackson_dem]

33. I favor a revote with letting the results stand a last resort

Disenfranchisement of MI and FL simply is not an option if we are to win in November.

[indimuse]

39. And I feel..

HRC should get ALL the del's from FL...Both names on the ballot...both did not campaign...(Though Obama did break the pledge and ran National Ads.) So by this IF Obama got ONE vote and people made a decision to vote for him or HIllary that day...ALL is fair...Hillary or Barack ..I think we know they voted Hillary..I live in FL..FL belongs to Hillary. No questions asked!

[here_is_to_hope]

43. She signed a pledge that said she

would not "participate" in Michigans primary, she left her name on the ballot which broke the pledge.
Eeeesh.

[joshcryer]

18. Don't forget, Edwards got a lot of that vote due to the exit polls.

It wasn't like Obama won nearly 50% of the vote there. And he can't claim Edwards' voters as his own.

[UALRBSofL]

19. eww this will be fun, and can't wait for it to heat up

I can guarantee a court case out of this. I bet you they both have there attorneys ready. Plus, Michigan wants a revote so Obama will be fighting Clinton attorneys and the state of Michigan.

[Oilwellian]

21. Historically...

courts refuse to hear cases involving in-party fighting. MI & FL broke the rules, Hillary & Obama signed a pledge not to participate in campaigns there...case closed. No court in their right mind would take this mess on.

[BootinUp]

31. I think this will hurt him, its going to be hard to convince

people you are the chosen candidate if you run from a fight in MI.

[greyghost]

36. You betcha.

[Breeze54]

38. Your whole OP is bullshit and not quoted correctly. Stop stirring up shit! n/t

:grr:

[SunsetDreams]

40. Actually...

he said he doesn't oppose a revote, however he wanted it to be fair. He want's Michigan and Florida's voices to be heard.

48 states can follow the rules

Why couldn't these two?

They were warned and did it anyway. The candidates agreed to the Rules of the DNC and said they wouldn't count.

Now when it is convenient, all of a sudden somebody wants to change the rules.

Why should 2 states who broke the rules, knew they were breaking them, told their voters their votes wouldn't count, decided to do it anyway, get a chance to decide the election?

Why should bad be rewarded with good?

I favor 50/50 in both states, that way no one gets an advantage. The Republicans did the same thing, 50/50. If we did the same, no party will have the advantage in the fall.

They broke them knowingly, so they shouldn't get to decide the outcome.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

42. Why are you claiming Obama said something he did not say?

Are you quoting falsely on purpose or out of blundering ignorance?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

44. How about a retraction on the claim that Obama said the words in the quote?