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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:04 PM
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"Race Man"
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

"Misleading propaganda is hardly new in American politics --although the adoption of techniques reminiscent of past Republican and special-interest hit jobs, right down to a retread of the fictional couple, seems strangely at odds with a campaign that proclaims it will redeem the country from precisely these sorts of divisive and manipulative tactics. As insidious as these tactics are, though, the Obama campaign's most effective gambits have been far more egregious and dangerous than the hypocritical deployment of deceptive and disingenuous attack ads. To a large degree, the campaign's strategists turned the primary and caucus race to their advantage when they deliberately, falsely, and successfully portrayed Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters--a campaign-within-the-campaign in which the worked-up flap over the Somali costume photograph is but the latest episode. While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign."
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:07 PM
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1. ...
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 08:18 PM by blogslut
nevermind
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:10 PM
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2. That will be the Obambot excuse for anything you don't like.
:eyes:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:11 PM
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3. ...
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 08:18 PM by blogslut
nevermind
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:13 PM
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4. Pathetic
Absolutely pathetic.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:14 PM
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5. ...
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 08:19 PM by blogslut
nevermind
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:15 PM
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6. TNR is now a right wing site?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:18 PM
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8. Forgive me
It just looks like one.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:24 PM
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16. It's a Lieberman politics site.
.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:39 PM
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25. Also, Mr. Wilentz, the author
Has an historical Clinton attachment:

Wilentz appeared before the House Judiciary Committee on December 8, 1998 to argue against the Clinton impeachment. His testimony — he told the House members that, if they voted for impeachment but were not convinced Clinton's offenses were impeachable, "history will track you down and condemn you for your cravenness" — cheered Democratic partisans but was criticized by the New York Times, which lamented his "gratuitously patronizing presentation" in an editorial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Wilentz
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:19 PM
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9. The New Republic is not RW
The New Republic (TNR) is an American magazine published twice per month (published weekly before March 2007) and with a circulation between 40,000 and 65,000. The editor-in-chief is Martin Peretz and current editor is Franklin Foer. Politically, the magazine generally supports center-left, liberal policies.


But I know you guys are so used to the media sucking up to your guy that you automatically assume anything that doesn't is "Right Wing". :eyes:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:20 PM
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10. Thanks!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:37 PM
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23. Thanks
You have more patience than I do.
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:15 PM
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7. I heard Hillary personally killed Vince Foster.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:21 PM
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11. Only because he was going to tell about her love child with Ron Brown
:shrug:
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:22 PM
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12. What type of gun do you think she used? Or did she slit his throat?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:25 PM
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17. Only Gary Condit knows.
:evilgrin:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:22 PM
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13. BO is a Fraud
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:33 PM
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19. And so what if he is?
See post #18, below.

Unite and be at peace. :toast:

-Laelth
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:40 PM
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26. Are you suggesting -
that his unity message (Can't we all just get along?) contradicts his church beliefs?

Shame on you. :sarcasm:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:46 PM
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28. Imagine listening to that scummy pastor for 20 freakin years,
use his words as inspiration for you book tile, and then pretend

you don't agree with him. How can any decent American support this jerk?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:53 PM
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33. They won't.
It is sad.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:22 PM
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14. Obama won Nevada. Doesn't this stuff ever get old?
"...Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada..."

Obama took 13 delegates in Nevada to Clinton's 12.

If Hillary weren't consistently losing, no one would have to keep making up fairy tales to explain her losses.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:23 PM
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15. Absolutely! Makes sense. He had to do something to separate Hillary and her black voter base which
was very large. She wouldn't gain anything from it. Worked like a charm too. Especially on these people who want to believe anything bad about her.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:34 PM
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20. Her black voter base? African Americans have been dutifully voting for every white face with a D
after it for decades. Yeah Hillary really earned HER black voter base.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:47 PM
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29. Yes no big secret either.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:22 PM
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37. Yes taking an entire class of people for granted and assuming they will continue to blindly vote for
any white face with a D after it does take chutzpa.

Plus Hillary can do ebonics, don't you know.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:24 PM
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39. Yeah go ahead and dismiss anything she has done for promoting equality. Classy.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:58 AM
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41. I replied to the post that claimed black voters were Hillary's base
That black voters belong to Hillary. That they owe Hillary & how dare they turn to Obama. Not fair to Hillary
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:29 PM
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18. If that's true, and I have my doubts, it worked.
I am outraged at HRC and her entire campaign.

So what? Obama is the likely nominee. What good does it do to dredge up arguments like this? All it does is hurt the likely nominee. It's not making me or anyone else feel sorry for Hillary.

We cannot afford to alienate our most loyal voting block. If the super-delegates choose HRC at this stage they will be saying, in effect, sorry African-Americans, a black man, even one who has more pledged delegates and is winning the race for the nomination, is still not good enough to be President of the United States. They won't do that. For better or for worse, Barack Obama is our nominee.

I think it's for the better, but there's no point in debating that, really.

Unite and be at peace. :toast:

-Laelth
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:53 PM
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34. It's not true,
it's complete and utter bullshit. That is unless you believe that the Obama campaign had the Clinton campaign forward e-mails in Iowa, used a mind control ray on both Bill and Hillary in South Carolina and coerced Ferraro in the recent days. It is not in Obama's interest to make race an issue -- it polarizes the vote and that is the last thing he would want to do heading into swing states. And this is just among Dems in the primary -- it would be potentially fatal in the general election.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:57 PM
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36. OK, but my point was that it doesn't matter whether it's true or not.
I guess it does matter to you, and that's fine, but I really am trying to create some party unity, here.

:toast:

-Laelth
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:36 PM
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21. Obama is running the most racist prez campaign since Reagan in 80'
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 08:36 PM by jackson_dem
Only Obama (via his cronies. Of course he won't say it himself.) would demand superdelegates vote for him because they have the same skin color as he does--and then threaten them if they voted for the candidate who has white skin.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:42 PM
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27. Agree.
I am surprised he didn't announce his decision to run in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:49 PM
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30. True.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:51 PM
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31. Only Clintons would sabotage Gore and Kerry campaigns for her run in 2008 and
are busily trying to sabotage Obama so she can run against McCain in 2012 - because we KNOW the Clintons KNOW that the math is against them. They are in it now because they will do whatever they can to assure that McCain wins.


We've SEEN how Clintons attack and undermine and sabotage other Dems because they are the only Democrats that BushInc trusts to protect their secrecy and privilege.

Backstabbing Clintons:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Undermining Clintons:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Sabotaging Clinton-loyalist:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Bush-joining Clinton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Poppy Bush-protecting Clinton:
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:53 PM
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32. true that!
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:37 PM
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22. HRC releases Tax returns..
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:39 PM
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24. Ferraro speaks against HRC smear...
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:55 PM
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35. And if...
the Obama campaign did indeed start the whole race thing in this campaign... What does that say about him?

-P
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:23 PM
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38. This has been reposted like 300 times.
And it still is stupid.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:44 PM
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40. Who gained power by splitting the party and getting Democrats
to fight Democrats? Obama
Can I say one thing? We had the White House won about 90 days ago, but a fresh-faced newcomer might've gotten an itch for power. We had this race won, and Obama stepped in "to unite us."

There was no need for HRC to play the race card since she already had a good percentage of the black folk in South Carolina prior to Martin Luther King Jr.'s holiday. The one person that would benefit by playing the race card was obama and his campaign, and they did with the help of a damn willing whoremedia.

That's the whole damn problem with many obama folks,they cannot understand the concept of a black man playing the race card.Let me type a statement by obama and see if you believe it to playing the race card are not: “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” Is this playing the race card? Seems rather tame, but it is a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process.


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