Pelosi delivers the Judas Kiss

[Neshanic]

As per the script that was delivered months late to Pelosi, her role to fuck up another situation has been played by her beautifully. As one of the master appeasers and spineless of our leaders, she delivers only what can be expected of her, our future defeat. Not that it is all on her shoulders, this little passion play has many bad actors posing as strong Democrats, and in that void we are left with Hollywood actors their remoras singing the praises of our perfectly brand new completely vetted, untouchable by any bad news candidate Mr. Obama.

Delusion of such an epic scale can only be captured in Cinemascope. Obamists are pefectly confident, and know for a FACT that Pastormania has passed by, and by looking at the post on this board, have such a selective memory, or the internet room at the insane assylum has a shitload of computers. John Kerry was a decorated Vietnam veteran, WHITE (for all us racists), a long a distingushed history of serving this country, and he was spanked. Repeat. DECORATED VIETNAM HERO. He was against the war when he came back. Blame it on his bad campaign, the baked goods at the volunteer headquaters were not Entemanns or what ever bizzare theory you want to supply, but he LOST.

On our wide screen now is the tragedy of what has become of us. Any half brain dead person that was a Democrat could run and win, but no, like our leaders that think impeachment is a messy thing, standing up to republicans is hard work, we are presented with one candidate that has baggage that is cumbersome, but is verified and cross checked and at the platform, the other, well his baggage has been lost, and pieces keep arriving daily to our collective surprise. Pelosi and Reed, a comedy duo that should take the show on the road are mortified as is Dean of this situation, so it goes on. But that does not stop Pelosi from throwing in the obligitory kiss of Judas to the candidate that really is our best chance.

The Obamists, always a captive audience for good movie based loosely on facts or reality, are happily munching on their pop-corn knowing damn well that this was to come to pass, as any other action by defeat-is-us Pelosi would fracture the party to where it would be unrecognizable. This fall the movie ends, and the guy does not get the girl, or the guy the big prize; at least not our guy. Right now there are no surprises for Obama supporters here, as the movie is still on the screen and they cheer their hero. No plot twists here, as everything is under control, and they KNOW how this movie ends. It just does, they have been to many movies and the good always win. They just missed that Kerry movie because it went straight to DVD, and they missed it in the bargain bin, or the attendant for whatever institution for the criminally delusional has not popped it in the DVD for them to see.

Remember as you leave the theater this fall fellow Obama supporters, pick up up your soda cups, and pop-corn buckets, but leave your excuses that you did not see the republican machine coming in the movie, inside as again as no one will want to hear it here. The whooping it up for your hero, no matter what, and not even considering the outcome is your problem, and yours alone.

The responses will be:

But Hillary....

But he's so paopular/dreamy...

But your an asshole...

But he's ahead....

Hillary started it...

Hillary (insert)...

MacCain is old...

We have Obama power....

Nobody will pay attention to attack ads....

The delegates...look I have statistical proof....This one is always hysterically funny, as it has the insinuation that our candidate selection makes a rat' ass difference in the GE.

Obama always wins...

Obama (insert promised thing)


See you at the movies, I will be the one talking on the cell phone.

[Skidmore]

1. Hillary represents the past and it is time for the Democratic Party

to move forward. Something has to change in the system or we are going to bite the dust fast. Hillary and her machine are not the answer.

[polichick]

9. I agree 100%

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

42. It's slowly starting to sink in.

[alarimer]

48. I hate to tell you, but Obama will not change things either

He is a typical politician, lying to get in office and then doing the same old corporate crap we've dealt with for years.

[Straight Shooter]

89. Someone gets it!

Typical politician, and not only that, a typical Chicago politician.

[tabasco]

132. Suffice it to say he has shown more leadership in effecting change.

Hillary has demonstrated her support for the status quo.

[Road Scholar]

141. I'm hoping Obama and the newbies of the congress of 2009

wont have any problem cleaning house and running the corruption out of town (Washington) post haste.

[Nedsdag]

140. Hillary is just another politician herself.

Don't expect any change from her. Expect a lot of safe, DLC programs.

School uniforms, anyone?

[Rageneau]

90. Change is good. Hope is good. Moving forward is good. Good is Good. Bad is Bad. Vote Obama.

Who can argue with that logic?

[BzaDem]

101. You are missing the point. You can vote for Obama till the cows come home -- we will still lose GE.

[Warren DeMontague]

125. Thank you for your concern.

Your concern has been duly noted.

[tekisui]

130. I think you are very wrong.

[krkaufman]

143. Opinions differ. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

124. No shit. It's the 21st Century, already.

Time to act like it.

[Fox Mulder]

129. I agree.

[krkaufman]

144. DLC ~~ Democrats of the Last Century?

Democrats Loving Corporations?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Math, it's what's for dinner.

[NDambi]

15. Yeah Straight No Chaser too! lol

[barack the house]

3. Sorry you didn't get the memo America loves Obama.=)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

49. Yes it does, and we're going all the way baby!

[LWolf]

85. You mean some of America loves Obama.

You don't purport to speak for all of us, do you?

[here_is_to_hope]

100. The OP does however...n/t

[LWolf]

121. The OP, or Pelosi?

Pelosi doesn't speak for me, though she carries the title.

[anonymous171]

4. I love how people keep on mentioning Kerry while describing the strenght of the GOP machine.

Let's get this out ONCE AND FOR ALL: The swiftboat attacks only worked on Kerry because he didn't respond right away. Obama has shown that he won't take any shit from any source, and will confront swiftboating immediately (as with Wright.)

[Cameron27]

24. Kerry was swiftboated with a lie,

the RWers don't even have to comment this time, all they have to do is play those videos over and over. I don't know how this will all play out if Obama makes it to the GE, but don't kid yourself, this will be big factor to many, many voters.

[anonymous171]

26. As I said, he will simply confront it head on and destroy it.

[Cameron27]

46. As I said, it's an issue

that won't be easily destroyed. Believe me, I'm not wishing for this to happen, I'm a life-long Democrat who doesn't want McCain in the WH, but other candidates have been taken down with much, much less ammunition.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. And with Clinton, all the media has to do is

pull out Whitewater, Vince Foster, Bill's women, Tax records, and why even First Lady records have been held back (when I watched CSPAN's "Presidential Library" series this past Christmas, during the installment on the Clinton Library, Brian Lamb exploded at the Chief Archivist about why the Clintons were blocking release of numerous records). Then of course there would be questions regarding where Clinton suddenly got $5,000,000 to "loan" to her campaign, the deals that hubby had with Kazakhstan and the gobs of $$$ from that, and on and on.

It would be VERY ugly.

[Cameron27]

94. Of course, but this issue is worse

than anything they can throw at the Clintons. Part of Obama's broad appeal to middle America is that he's been seen as a post-racial candidate, someone who's denounced the divisiness of the 60's and 70's & someone who promised to unite the country. Well, having Rev. Wright as a spiritual advisor for 20 years tarnishes that promise. We'll see what happens, but sadly, I expect the worst.

[BumRushDaShow]

133. On the contrary

The fact that Obama has taken the Mark Penn-Hillary Clinton kitchen sink and turned it around in full view of the public to illustrate exactly what he has been arguing all along - perfect examples of what has gone wrong with the political system in this country and how one needs to reject this sort of constant sniping and backbiting and come together to bring this country out of economic ruin.

And ironically, the Clinton campaign keeps playing right into his hands! :rofl: The more they throw, the more he grabs it up and highlights it as more examples of tired old failed strategies that need to be purged and why he should be elected POTUS. Clinton's supporters are feeding his power!

[merh]

40. So you think that McCain and the GOP

truly want to open the spiritual advisor pandora's box?

Go read up on the radical, hate filled quotes of Persley, Hagee and Robertson. They drowned out right, the cover all the bases of hate and a couple have even said that the US foreign policy caused the 9/11 attacks.

It is not a game that McCain wants to play and there are those that support Obama that will respond in kind if the GOP or any of their little PACs try to use it in the GE.

[Neshanic]

52. Oh that box will be opened like Christmas morning.

[juajen]

70. OMG, are you listening to what you're saying. In effect, that

Hillary Clinton is the only nominee without a cross to burn?

[Neshanic]

84. Again, they BOTH are damaged goods. Hillary's we know the most about, and by the slightest

microscopic difference she sould have a better chance than with the "suprise, surprise" candidate. But Obama will be the presumptive candidate.

[blm]

147. You couldn't tell that around here. Some of you think MILLIONS of Dubai dollars won't raise

an eyebrow, except the RW folks who think all of BushInc's crimes that are actually the crimes of the Clintons won't see it that way.

They will turn those Dubai millions into a HUGE Clinton problem, and BushInc will go unblamed, protected once again by the Clintons and the media.

[merh]

87. Not at all.

I am not here to jump on either candidate. I think a democratic president is essential and I don't appreciate the hate filled rhetoric of this forum. All candidates are human and make mistakes and accept the support of folks that other folks may not like. All are subject to the attacks.

My post was about the GOP, the true enemy in the election. Folks continue to loose sight of the goal, that is that we have a democratic president.

McCain has Parsley, Hagee and Robertson.

Obama has Wright.

Hillary has David Coe and has even supported the Rev. Moon.

The box is full of bad jojo, some have more bad than others.

[AndyTiedye]

36. The Swiftboat Attacks Worked on Kerry Because the Media Endlessly Repeated Them FOR FREE

A few billion dollars worth of free advertising will work wonders for any campaign.

A "forceful" response would have been to spend every penny he had in August, and it still would have been overwhelmed. And out of money for the final stretch.

If each network gave the Swift Boaters one hour of airtime a day for a month (and this is probably a low estimate) that is about 4 or 5 billion dollars worth of free airtime.

How do you fight that?

[anonymous171]

41. In the name of "Fairness" they would have played his response,

just as they now play Obama's response to the Wright dilemma.

[blm]

54. They didn't. They refused to broadcast his Firefighters Convention speech in August

where he attacked the swifts and challenged Bush to stop hiding behind the swifts and come out and debate their services during Vietnam.

The corp newsmedia barely reported that challenge giving it minimal rotation as a newsclip and no follow up discussion.

That should prove to anyone that the corpmedia was complicitly protecting Bush at the time just as Dan Rather has been telling us this past year.

[anonymous171]

56. Did he go on shows like Hannity or Hardball to fight it out?

[blm]

76. His spokespeople did like Cleland and Clark. The newsmedia HAD The records from the Navy, too. Never

before were the official military records spurned for the constant repeatings of a completely fabricated story.

BTW - If you DID read the research forum thread with the data AS IT OCCURED, you'd notice that when the swifts first came out in April 2004, they WERE batted down immediately and they withdrew all fire at that time.

They re-emerged in August right when the McGreevey story hit and THAT took up all the Dem time on the networks until the Aug 19 speech to Firefighters Convention which NO NEWS NETWORK would broadcast and few reported on.

[blm]

93. BTW - here's the link to research forum thread - it's quite long and detailed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x2555

[anonymous171]

122. Thanks. nt

[blm]

38. Baloney - Media MUTED his counters. Dan Rather has told us media did it purposely

to protect Bush for a second term because they expected favorable rulings for the corporate media machine.

The research forum has the chronology of the attacks and the counters and the proof that media distorted that debate deliberately.

Besides, the swifts did NOT change the race. Kerry won. The DNC under Terry McAuliffe let the RNC steal that election process for Bush as they sat on their hands for the four years after 2000s theft while the RNC gained near total control of the entire election process at every level where the votes are allowed, cast and counted.

[beachmom]

119. Sorry, that is not true. He DID respond, starting in May to their attacks.

He responded in August by sending all pertinent facts to the media. The newspapers did their job; cable did not. Kerry's big mistake was really Terry McAuliffe's mistake -- Kerry did not have the money to do a full ad campaign against the Swifts because his general election was five weeks longer than Bush's (on fixed public financing), because the boneheaded Clintonistas chose that date.

Watch this video, and tell me again that "Kerry didn't fight back". He freaking did; it just wasn't effective enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9TIqWgu2F0&eurl=http://www.kerryvision.net/2008/01/stand_up.html

[blm]

139. Thanks for video - what makes any counter effective is the FURTHERING of the counter

by the entire team - that is something you just didn't see from the rest of the Dem party, the left media and the left blogosphere.

After this event occurred, there should have been an AVALANCHE from the left pushing his remarks out there since the corporate media was doing its best to ignore the remarks altogether.

[K Gardner]

5. Pelosi Rocks !

[barack the house]

7. Vice President Pelosi you go girl

[JDPriestly]

6. Edwards -- the smartest Democrat, the only true Democrat, the only electable Democrat.

[barack the house]

21. The least corruptable way is suspend the superdelegates and award the people.

[TriMetFan]

43. But don't you get it?????

He is part of that "The United White America".

[FARAFIELD]

8. gosh what a poor sport,

Kerry didnt get spanked by the way, it was the closest reelection win for an incumbent ever and he lost simply because of OHIO, all that anger that the repukes had towards Kerry played itself out, in other words they thought it would play forever and lasted exactly until Katrina, when the US woke up and realized while Repukes were busy wearing "purple heart bandaids" nothing was getting done. SO be it Kerry Lost, I always thought because he took a month off after the Election, also he shouldnt have taken public funds. If Hillary was so great she could beat OBAMA with all his alleged defects, I was for Edwards, but when my mom who is republican and white went in the snow to caucus for OBAMA in Idaho I knew the party was on to something.

[barack the house]

27. I keep saying Republicans like Obama. They see Reagan in him, not that he is. Just inspiring.

[Neshanic]

That movie is being wriiten. Science Fiction department please.

[Mz Pip]

10. Do you honestly

believe that Hillary will somehow be immune from attacks by the RW??? Good grief.

Of course Obama will be attacked. But so will Hillary. Any Democratic candidate would be.

[rucky]

23. What Pip said. n/t

[Neshanic]

30. Do I say that? Where do I say that? We just know where the MAJORITY

of her baggage is. Obama's is still in a unclaimed room at some non-descript airport waiting.

[Mz Pip]

51. Actually we don't know

everything. What has Bill been doing the past 7 years? Think that will be off limits? If Wright is such a big issue with the whole guilt by association thing, imagine the field day the RW, MSM and GOP will have just speculating about Bill. Fair? No. But it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if there are investigators combing NYC for anyone who can even speculate about a Clinton scandal. And they will wait until she's the nominee to dump it all out there.

And we will get the re runs. Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, missing files, Impeachment, wagging finger, Monica, Juanita. If you don't remember those hits from the 90s be prepared to become re familiarized with them 24/7.

And it's been 8 years so there is a whole new generation of voters who were too young to be plugged into all of that mess when it happened. The GOP spin machine will be damn sure to get them up to speed.

THey don't really need much new material.

[Neshanic]

58. There is a small amount of innoculation that was achieved with Clinton...

People really do hear the RW same old shit on Clinton and go on ignore. "God Damn America" tends to get some attention at times.

[AZBlue]

145. We don't know half of her baggage. She's as secretive as Cheney.

[DarienComp]

11. I don't understand one thing about this post.

Not one.

[Neshanic]

20. Don't worry, sneak into the other theater, see something you like.

[Inuca]

37. It's scary, isn't it? n/t

[ORDagnabbit]

12. wheres mrs. I love cluster bombing civilians tax returns and other papers? n/t

[Neshanic]

25. Darn, I forgot the "Hillary Tax Return" elf.

[Mooney]

13. "...the candidate that really is our best chance"

... is not Hillary Clinton. Obama is by no means a sure thing, but I think he's much more likely to win than her. Hillary Clinton comes to us pre-loathed by half the voters in this country.

Obama may be an unknown quantity, but he doesn't inspire the automatic and unchangeable hatred in 50% of the electorate that HRC does. I'm surprised that so many people are willing to overlook this fact, which has been on flagrant public display for the last 16 years.

[juajen]

99. Because they are so afraid of a new Clinton Admnistration!

It isn't dems that spew all of this hatred for Hillary, it's the GOP. I mean, really, the dems wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot that way, would they? Or, do they now love Nancy Pelosi where once the disdain for her was a daily mantra? Dems, themselves, are a quandry. Where once they questioned, they now accept; where once they disliked, they now love; where once Hillary was loved and exalted, she is now deprecated and dissed. Yeah, I mean we dems are true, blue.

I am thinking a new party might be a fantastic idea, because, I am not so proud of democrats today. As far as I can tell, the Clintons are the only thing the party has to be proud of since LBJ brought about medicare. But, go ahead, talk down the Clintons and destroy the best thing about the democratic party. Eating our own has become a democratic tradition. This doesn't bode well for Barack, since we now know that feelings and loyalty for Obama can turn on a dime.

[Adelante]

14. You seem depressed

Go out and get some sunshine.

[Neshanic]

28. And forgot the straight at emotional stability attack.

[BeyondGeography]

115. It won't help...Clinton supporters are anti-sunshine

[SunsetDreams]

16. I take full responsibility for my vote :)

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Since you can't make a mature and cogent argument without name-calling

then your dissertation is essentially discredited and a waste of space.

[Neshanic]

22. I was going to write that excuse... thanks.

[BumRushDaShow]

39. You are welcome.

The emptiness of your void is quite astonishing!

[Neshanic]

44. Not as big as the collective void coming our way.

[BumRushDaShow]

75. Unfortunately for you, you are already in your void and reality passed you by.

[juajen]

107. Must be a successful post, they keep replying to it.

LOL

[Neshanic]

109. The Obama Matrix has been questioned.

[Scurrilous]

18. Obama always wins...

:thumbsup:

[DB1]

19. Haven't you heard? Thankfully the real world still wants Obama!

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. You're completely incoherent.

'Any half-brain-dead person that was a Democrat could run and win', you say.

And if 'candidate selection' makes no difference in a general election, as you ALSO say, I don't quite understand the point of your argument. The Republicans will go after either; only one is already disliked to the point of hatred by half of the country, though, which makes their job there that much easier (hint: that one doesn't have a Y chromosome).

[Neshanic]

32. One by hatred, the other by surprise o' the week. Nice choices.

But since Obama will be declared presumptive...there you go.

[stevenleser]

34. Yes, very lacking in any cogent point

But, its hard to have a good argument for Hillary at this point so...

[dailykoff]

31. The passion of the Hillarene.

The problem is that she is a lousy candidate by every measure. If she had anything at all to offer, her protracted demise would be sad, but she doesn't and it isn't in the least.

[Neshanic]

35. Guess what. The other candidate sucks too.

[AndyTiedye]

47. That is the Problem. Can Either of them Win?

[Neshanic]

55. No.

[dailykoff]

64. That's where you're wrong.

No doubt you think Obama is just another affirmative action patsy like Clinton. Fortunately, there's a lot more to him, once you bother to look at his record.

[Neshanic]

73. In which bag are the records you want us to see or know about?

No matter, they will show up at the appropriate times by your friendly republicans. Remember to tip them well, we want to reach out to them, remember.

[dailykoff]

78. The majority of voters won't care about Obama's records,

Of course a few will wolf down every morsel of shit, just like they did last time. But Clinton lost her teflon decades ago if she every had any, which I doubt.

[Neshanic]

97. I should of numbered the excuses.

[dansolo]

33. Kerry's albatross was the same as Clinton's

Kerry would have very likely won if he had voted against the IWR. His ability to use the war as an issue against Bush was severely weakened by his IWR vote. And Clinton would have had the nomination wrapped up a long time ago if she had done the same. Her support of the war is what drove people to Obama in the first place.

[blm]

81. Baloney - any nominee would have had that election stolen because the DNC was letting

the RNC steal it for Bush - as they refused to secure the election process for the entire four years they were expected to do so after 2000s theft.

[Upton]

45. Defeat got you down?

[Window]

50. Oh boy. Pelosi is DEAD to them now, also.

:rofl:

[usrbs]

103. Pelosi should be dead to us all for her inept leadership

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x345284

[ronnykmarshall]

118. Define "them", please.

[Window]

127. Of course. Hillary supporters.

[ronnykmarshall]

138. OIC

[Donkeykick]

53. I wouldn't worry.

Not everyone listens to Pelosi. ;)

[Botany]

57. Please take your "meds" .... the nice doctor gave 'em to you for a reason.

And then the squirrel came out of the oak tree and danced a jig as the Obamists
played a tune. Yes a tune that could mean only one thing and that thing
had meaning and it could mean much to many. But in the back ground the
dog barked as the grey skies of March gave way to shafts of sunlight which
acted as "spot lights" in God's little passion play.

[Neshanic]

59. Pusher.

[mtnsnake]

60. Awesome post that speaks the blatant truth. No wonder ObamaNation doesn't like hearing it. lol

Only in La La Land could the truth you speak of be so easily dismissed as fiction. Only in Bizarro World could your post have no recommendations, so far into.

Let me be the first one to gladly recommend it for the cold hard truth.

[Neshanic]

62. Thank you.

[susankh4]

61. She is conceding already

to McCain.

He's old. He won't last but a term. At which point the Dems can put all this "minority" bickering behind them like a bad dream. They will win the lion's share of African Americans and Women back by 2012.

[Neshanic]

77. Maybe that is our leaders plan.

[susankh4]

79. White Guys only

in the White House!

Women and minorities need not apply.

[Swamp Rat]

63. I don't understand the point of this post... as we throwing Nancy Pelosi under the bus?

:shrug:

[Neshanic]

67. She's the driver like the South Park bus driver. She's driving to get

wiggle room as the road narrows.

[Swamp Rat]

69. I still don't get it ... maybe I need to watch more tv and movies?

[dailykoff]

80. under the fleet

along with the rest of us. :shrug:

[Forkboy]

66. Another one moving past the denial stage into sad acceptance.

You and MassDem need to hook up and commiserate. Or, you need to get as cynical as me and have no faith in any politician, that way you can avoid these emotional dramas.

[Neshanic]

68. Is there a support group? Maybe we need one. I can't say I'm a drama queen

because I was accused of being a gay basher using that phrase.

[Forkboy]

88. I didn't say drama queen though, did I?

[Neshanic]

95. No, I was going to call myself one.

[WillyT]

71. My Response...

:rofl:

[BzaDem]

102. That will be your face when you and people like you see what Obama will do to us in the GE.

But other people will not be surprised, as we will have expected it all along.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

72. Tragicomedy!

Best if you stick with your day job. This script won't pass the muster test.

It will not be pretty leading up to November, but McCain will not win this election.

[Neshanic]

74. You are projecting to the sequel. This one has a nasty plot twist.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

83. Election fraud should be our greatest fear, not Obama.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

82. What we "have" is politics as usual from both candidates.

And, as a movie, it would be a farce not a drama.

[Neshanic]

86. It's a freaking horror show now. " I Was A Zombie Democrat".

[LisaL]

91. Your forgot

"diebold stole it."

[elixir]

92. great post. Shame on Pelosi and others who are trying to control this race.

[JackORoses]

106. They are doing damage control. It is in the Party's best interests to give Hillary the old heave ho.

[metalluk]

96. You make some good points.

Pelosi needs to keep her mouth shut and let the process follow its natural course. She pretends to be concerned about the superdelegates superimposing their judgment on the will of the people (that's what they were created for), but has no compunction about trying to superimpose her own views on the primary process.

You are also right about the Democrats having an amazing capacity to dissipate an opportunity. Hillary does have baggage and Obama does lack adequate experience. There is still one outcome that could set the Democratic Party up very nicely for the foreseeable future, if they can find their way to it.

Let's say that you're the hostess for a get-together of friends. They're starting to get hungry. Luckily, you've got two batches of cookies in the oven. One batch is ready to go; the other batch is half-done. What's your best strategy:

a) serve the ready-to-go batch now and the half-done batch later on; or

b) serve the half-baked batch now and toss out the other batch after it's burnt?

A Clinton/Obama ticket would be formidable indeed. And Obama would be more than entitled to hold out for an opportunity to be a V.P. with a significant domain of responsibility, such as the lead role in identifying and addressing major problems confronting disadvantaged communities in America. He could draw on his experience as a community organizer and gain executive experience running a major initiative of the new administration. This would set him up for a future presidency and give him an opportunity to acquire a track-record of experience that would make him a highly viable candidate as well as a potentially strong President were he elected, instead of casting him to the dogs this fall, as a vulnerable neophyte.

The Democrats could make history in the next sixteen years if they're wise enough to take the opportunity that is sitting in front of their noses. The first female President followed by the first AA president, party unity, party pride, and, most importantly, a genuine possibility of two great presidencies in succession.

But, you're probably right. The factions will probably fight to a miserable conclusion instead and ensure continuing Republican dominance.

[Neshanic]

98. If they combined, it woul be a cakewalk. Really. The dream ticket.

You are utterly correct. It would unite the party like cement. The republicans would freak.

[LisaL]

105. At this point, it's like trying to put Humpty-Dumpty together again.

[Neshanic]

111. There still is a little more time, not much, but a little.

[inna]

117. outstanding post, metalluk. :)

"Pelosi needs to keep her mouth shut and let the process follow its natural course. She pretends to be concerned about the superdelegates superimposing their judgment on the will of the people (that's what they were created for), but has no compunction about trying to superimpose her own views on the primary process.

You are also right about the Democrats having an amazing capacity to dissipate an opportunity. Hillary does have baggage and Obama does lack adequate experience. There is still one outcome that could set the Democratic Party up very nicely for the foreseeable future, if they can find their way to it.

Let's say that you're the hostess for a get-together of friends. They're starting to get hungry. Luckily, you've got two batches of cookies in the oven. One batch is ready to go; the other batch is half-done. What's your best strategy:

a) serve the ready-to-go batch now and the half-done batch later on; or

b) serve the half-baked batch now and toss out the other batch after it's burnt?

A Clinton/Obama ticket would be formidable indeed. And Obama would be more than entitled to hold out for an opportunity to be a V.P. with a significant domain of responsibility, such as the lead role in identifying and addressing major problems confronting disadvantaged communities in America. He could draw on his experience as a community organizer and gain executive experience running a major initiative of the new administration. This would set him up for a future presidency and give him an opportunity to acquire a track-record of experience that would make him a highly viable candidate as well as a potentially strong President were he elected, instead of casting him to the dogs this fall, as a vulnerable neophyte.

The Democrats could make history in the next sixteen years if they're wise enough to take the opportunity that is sitting in front of their noses. The first female President followed by the first AA president, party unity, party pride, and, most importantly, a genuine possibility of two great presidencies in succession.

But, you're probably right. The factions will probably fight to a miserable conclusion instead and ensure continuing Republican dominance."



very well stated, i'm saving this post.

[JackORoses]

104. Neshanic in a panic?

ahahahahaahahaha!

President Obama forgives your ignorance.

[Neshanic]

110. To be absolved by Obama is a great honor.

[juajen]

116. Do you ever think anything through? You are so predictable.

NT

[JackORoses]

142. I hav thought everything through and the inevitable conclusion is President Obama

try thinking this through.

Obama leads in Delegates,
States,
Votes,
Donors,
Fundraising,
Grassroots Organization,
and he does better against McCain in most polling.
These are the things that the Superdelegates are paying attention to.

What does Hillary lead in, pray tell?
Lobbyists?
Negatives?
Her big state argument is fatally flawed just as Pelosi said.

Obama will be the nominee, and he will defeat McCain.
The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can join us in getting this Nation back on track.

[PetraPooh]

108. You'd prefer she answer ignorantly? Hillary has done this to herself, no Judas required.

[Neshanic]

112. See excuse list.

[PetraPooh]

114. wtf are you talking about?

[alcibiades_mystery]

113. Hillary Supporters are Such Cowards

Terrified of voters and Republicans. Poor traumatized little Democrats. Oh, ouch, "they're" going to hurt us again.

It's possible to win, you know? But not with your terrified attitude.

[PerfectSage]

120. Yeah!!!!!!!!! March 16th will forever be known as Saint Pelosi's day.

The day when Saint Pelosi drove the Clinton snakes out of the democratic party. :toast:

Five Ways Toward Accepting the Death of a Loved One

http://ezinearticles.com/?Five-Ways-Toward-Accepting-the-Death-of-a-Loved-One&id=499085

[Warren DeMontague]

123. I really don't know what planet people are living on where they think Hillary's a stronger candidate

for the GE than Obama.

She's a fucking disaster, her train wreck of a primary campaign has proven that.

[JVS]

126. Hillbots have been making less coherent posts lately

Has the campaign stopped issuing talking points and started paying per word?

[IndianaGreen]

134. I think you are right. They are being paid by the word.

And since they are boycotting DailyKos, they come here to get over their writers' withdrawal.

[my3boyz]

128. Pelosi simply stated what the rules are regarding

pledged delegates. She said the primary involves pledged delegates as the general involves electoral votes. In both instances the winner of the pledged delegates or electoral votes WINS the elections. The Hillary supporters are simply pissed because she does not think they should bend the rules because Hillary came up with this argument revolving big states (or even popular vote). In the beginning they did not say the person that wins the most big states (or popular vote) wins the nomination. They said the person with the most pledged delegates would win. Of course there is the problem of neither candidate being able to reach the magic number. However, if the super delegates must step in then it is only right for them to top off the person that is closest to that magic number. It would be insane to pull the person from behind and top them off to make them the nominee.

[Enrique]

131. I was going to write a coherent post on DU

but then I got high. :-)

[JVS]

135. LOL!

[anigbrowl]

136. The 3 fundmantal weaknesses inthese arguments

1. The assumption the Hillary Clinton is somehow immune from Republican attacks in the GE. Because they already hate her, the myth goes, he popularity levels cannot possibly get worse.

2. The assumption that everyone voting for Obama is a political virgin, and probably a no-good college student. Every cliche that the GOP likes to repeat about democrats - too naive, too lazy, too idealistic, too nicey-nice - is now being hurled at Obama's supporters by fellow Democrats (if you believe that).

3. The assumption that Clinton is Democrats best hope to win the GE...an argument that has not convinced a majority of people (however you slice it) even in the primaries. We are endlessly told that Clinton is the appropriate candidate, but rarely given any reasons why. see #1.

[burythehatchet]

137. one candidate that has baggage that is cumbersome, but is verified and cross checked

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[DrFunkenstein]

146. Clinton is Fully Vetted? Tell Me Who is Denise Rich?

First of all, as much as I love the policies of John Kerry, Obama is a much better candidate and has the power to break the gridlock on major reforms by bringing about a popular mandate through effective framing.

Secondly, Clinton is hardly vetted. There are major issues - many linked to the Clintons' quid pro quo with fundraisers - to turn off independents and many Democrats, and plenty of the good ole' days to whip up voter turnout from conservatives.

And this election will be determined by turnout. Which is why Obama is best positioned for the general election since Dems will turnout in droves and he can pick up enough independents and disaffected conservatives to turn a few states blue.