Wright's anti-female words enrage me.

[Captain_Nemo]

He yelled about the white girl" Natalee Holloway "giving it up" in aruba and all the mainstream media covers for a months. It pissed him off because women are being raped in Darfur.

I, as a white woman, am upset about the women in Darfur. And, I am upset about Natalee Holloway. The violence against women in the world is a problem that needs to be addressed. Women's powerlessness in the world is part of the problem.

(Thus, this is one of the reasons I feel a female president is important )

His statements about Hillary Clinton were tacky and indicative of his hatred for women women that either challenge his choice for president or get attention in the media. (Have I heard him talk about violence against women in a constructive way? No, maybe he has.....)

Where is the 'Jesus love' in his words?

Obama's membership in this church is disgraceful.

[tabatha]

1. When have you heard about the women in Dafur on the news.

[Captain_Nemo]

3. I am well aware of the women in Darfur. I agree that the media has been quilty of promoting

the abduction and rape of white women over minorities. However, this does not give one license to give hostile attacks (seasoned with lack of compassion for a murdered woman) in a church of all places.

[Drachasor]

84. This story is from World Net Daily, do they have anything to back it up?

I could find it nowhere else.

[barb162]

115. I heard it several times this weekend on the major cable shows

[Drachasor]

118. Name one or two of them please, because my internet search showed nothing

Thanks.

[barb162]

158. Here's Wright on Darfur/ Holloway

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977285439

Which shows I saw Wright rant on that, I don't remember, but it was on a few times.

[spooky3]

163. a very quick Yahoo search revealed

that WorldNetDaily cited the "August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ" as one source for the quote you mentioned. Even though WND is not a reliable source, it shouldn't be hard for any fact-checker to ascertain whether this quote really did or did not appear in Trumpet Magazine.

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5398333

[Drachasor]

168. I wasn't able to find it there, at least from the website archives

[Drachasor]

169. That was writtena couple days ago, how does it prove Wright actually said that about Holloway?

How do I know you just didn't get that line from the World Net Daily article?

And I asked you to name the cable stations you saw it on.

[Unsane]

127. We haven't, but is that a reason to berate a white female's race?

Wright is bad news.

[anonymous171]

2. Women have already been leaders and female powerlessness still exists.

[Captain_Nemo]

5. we have not been leaders in the USA - the country with the most power to change things in the world.

Wrights words and Obama's membership have sealed the deal for me on Obama. He needs to go.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. England was arguably that country back in the 16th century.

Life didn't get better for women because Elizabeth I became Queen.

[misanthrope]

41. Or Victoria in the 19th Century**nm

**

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Thank you.

This is especially the case when women ascend to power through that most patriarchal of customs, nepotism. Why would it? Why would women who benefit from the status quo seek to change it?

[Captain_Nemo]

14. Look, the treatment of women around the world is deplorable. Obama's choice of pastor/ mentor is

indicative of the short shrift he gives to the issue of women's rights. In fact, when I have gone to Obama's website site to see "women's rights" as an issue (which it is for Democrats) I am hard pressed to find it. It is actually hidden away.

Whereas Hilary's is right out there. And, it is women's history month and Hillary has had entries in her blog by many different women talking about women's history.
The respect for women in Hillary's campaign shows.

I have fought for women's rights actively since 1980 and personally I am disgusted by this so-called reverend.

By the way, fellow progressives...who is Hillary's pastor? Hmmmmmm, I don't think she has one. Go Hillary, go progressive values, right on for the separation of church adn state!

[anonymous171]

39. lol She has a pastor. Search "Hillary Clinton" and "The Fellowship"

So much for separation of church and state.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

59. I just went to Clinton's site and checked out the link for women's issues.

It's great that she's including that on her platform and I wish Barack would have a section on women's issues as well, especially since he's talked at length about the situation in Africa.

This is kind of OT for this thread, but one thing I did notice right off the bat is that many of Hillary's talking points seem to conflate "women" with "children" and "families" (though she does mention other things like reproductive freedom and economic opportunities). But there's this unspoken assumption that all women are mothers. As an unmarried and childfree-by-choice woman, that causes me to tune out her message. By no means is Hillary the only Democratic politician who does that. Barack does it a lot too, but I think his message resonates a little more with single childless adults and DINKs. That may account for demographic disparity in their supporters. I know it's why Obama's health care plan doesn't include mandates for adults. It would be an anathema to his many young and childless supporters, who would probably not get any subsidies for the premiums.

I just wish that the Democratic party would wake up and realize that there are millions of women out there who are not bothering to show up to vote, even though their reproductive freedom and economic security are in dire jeopardy, because all they hear about are womenandchildren womenandchildren families families families.... Single women vote Democratic by a ratio of 60:40, whereas married women are more 45:50. Imagine if a few million more of them turned up at the polls in 2004? Sorry for straying but I had to express that.

[Captain_Nemo]

70. Yes, women with children who need health insurance and homes go to her. I prefer that demographic.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

89. Yes, and we women who haven't reproduced are not preferred.

We're not worth much to you until you want to dip into our pockets to subsidize your family. That's when that whole "it takes a village" concept kicks in. I learned that lesson well back in the '90s when Bill Clinton decided to give parents a generous tax credit while reducing my tax bill not one bit. He then went on and blathered about how he "lowered the taxes of middle class Americans". Um, not all of us, Bill. And Hillary's mandatory health plan follows the same model. She talks about how families will get subsidies. Not individuals. Families. When she talks about those "young people who think they are invincible" and of the need to garnish our wages, we non-parents brace ourselves. There will be no subsidies for us. She talks about how only people who can "afford" the full premiums will have to pay them. Wonder who those people will be? We know.

But hey, thanks for your honesty! :hi:

[DangerousRhythm]

99. Truth! n/t

[LulaMay]

103. I've heard Obama mention race and class (poverty), and leave out gender/sex

discrimination in his overall presentation. Actually, I can't think when I've ever heard him include it up front.

[Samurai_Writer]

149. You must not be looking very hard on Obama's site.

Right on the front page is a link to Women's History Month. And if you go under the "People" menu (you know, women ARE people) there is a link to Women for Obama.

RadFemFL
A Feminist who is tired of Hillary supporters saying Obama isn't for women's rights.

[CTyankee]

170. And this is relevant, why? We are not talking about 16th century or 19th century Britain.

We are discussing here and now. I think the challenge is just that.

[cd3dem]

98. Last I checked the USA has never had a woman lead the country!

and yes, powerlessness still exists, misogyny is overlooked and people are not afraid to admit they do not regard women as leaders....

and women are pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LulaMay]

105. and we do not appreciate being mocked or dismissed when we talk about sexism.

[cd3dem]

175. Men feel no shame in saying sexist statements

i was at Costco and had my Hillary button on and women 45 plus stopped to talk to me about Hillary... tired of being treated like crap! tired of hearing Hillary trashed publicly and Obama given easy street... one woman said she wasn't sure our country was ready for a female president and a man about 30 walked by and said he was not!

If we were black and discussing if America was ready for black president, no one would use that tone publicly!

[leftofcool]

4. Yep,, white woman "ask for it"

according to Wright anyway. There are several national womens groups up in arms over this one.

[Captain_Nemo]

7. I am sure. It is infuriating. I am sickened listening to him and more sickened by Obama.

[barb162]

108. Obama half assed defends that pig.

Well, you have to figure, he's been listening to that guy's shit for 20 years and can't fully repudiate the man and what he stands for.

[cd3dem]

102. I guess he would have women cover themselves from head to toe

so we do not "ask for it"

[rodeodance]

6. Obama needs to cut his ties with that pastor. This issue is NOT going away

[Captain_Nemo]

10. Obama and Axelrod needed to "clean house" before running for pres. Perhaps 8 more years of cleanin

and then he might be just right for President. He blew it.

[Moochy]

22. Captain Nemo needs to learn to count

And buy some new pom poms.

[Captain_Nemo]

29. Another Obama head avoiding real issues.

[Moochy]

38. Wright AIR Humped Lewinksy!!! SEXIST!!!!111111

The real issue is Hillary has lost. Get Over It.

[rodeodance]

48. you are showing all how foolish you are.

[Name removed]

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[barb162]

104. I've been noticing that over and over again.

[emilyg]

112. It was disgusting.

Especially with children in the congregation.

[rodeodance]

45. Yes, very POOR JUDGment on the part of Obama.

[Captain_Nemo]

58. Liberals actually think Obama is qualified to be in Oval Office with THIS spiritual advisor?!

[rodeodance]

61. NOT ME

[LulaMay]

107. I'm still reeling from the sexist, actually perverted things Wright has said/done. Crosses the line

of human decency even...the things he said about Natalie Holloway and his gyrations from the pulpit.

GROTESQUE.

I seriously question the values of anyone who accepts or appreciates it.

[Captain_Nemo]

52. When does the DNC pressure Obama to quit? Or, are the dems interested in losing?

[SeaLyons]

151. Life doesn't come with an eraser

I don't think he can cut 20 years from his life.

[rodeodance]

9. REC

[blogslut]

12. "Giving it up"

Is also a term that refers to death. Crack open a Bible some time. Acts 12:23. "Give up the ghost' is one of the oldest euphemisms there is.

[goldcanyonaz]

18. So, in Darfur they're "giving it up" too?

Right...

[blogslut]

44. If you mean dying, yes

n/t

[Bluebear]

82. Of all the stretches I have ever heard, this is the biggest.

[blogslut]

97. Oh?

"One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

That is the quote. The term used is vague and open to interpretation. Those whose imaginations venture towards the salacious, hear something completely different than those whose minds do not.

In other words, "You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear."
- R.I.P. Harry Nilsson

[DemVet]

140. The term is open to interpretation? Give me a fucking break.

It's pretty damned obvious he meant sex and not death. The man is appalling.

[RedShoesBlueState]

165. Why mention the drunk part, then?

I think it's pretty clear that he is making a disrepectful reference towards this girl.
Now, I'm not saying that I wasn't also sick of the constant Natalie Holloway coverage. I was. But there's a way you make a point, and there's a way you don't. His TONE is disrespectful. If you want to say, "This young girl's death is tragic, but so are the deaths of so many others. Why is it that we hear so much about hers, but so little about others?" That puts the blame where it belongs -- on the media -- without making a slur against the girl. You can take the high road, or the low road. He took the low.

[LulaMay]

92. Oh yes, I'm sure that's how he meant it.

[blogslut]

100. It must be hard doing the thinking for other people

n/t

[LulaMay]

109. It must be hard trying to come up with excuses for his perverted, sexist behavior & words.

[Bluebear]

114. A blog "slut" lecturing us on having dirty minds

Well, I've seen it all :)

[LulaMay]

122. If it weren't so tragic I'd be laughing.

[blogslut]

126. At least I'm up front.

Sex is a good thing and I use the term "slut" proudly because I think the word is ridiculous. I don't pretend to be some feminist who supports only those women that act like ladies. I don't pretend to have some sort of moral authority over others.

[blogslut]

119. So, now he's a pervert?

Oh, sweety. How do you manage to twist logic so well?

[LulaMay]

121. Yes. He made sexual motions while talking about Natalie Holloway, and other times.

He is a pervert.

He clearly hates women, even though he tried to make black women think he only hates white women.

[blogslut]

124. Wow, it's like you're inside his head

Can you predict winning lottery numbers too?

[Bake]

159. Somehow I don't think that's what he meant ...

And I don't think you do either. But you knew that already.

Bake

[Moochy]

13. Forced Conversion !!!! by Order of Captain Nemo!!!!!! I'mSeries!lyyy11111!!

His family must become a member of (your favorite church)!

(Screw the submariner vote, I say!!!1111)

[Captain_Nemo]

16. I believe that all women who are victims of violence deserve equal attention and the separation

of church and state.

[Moochy]

19. Agreed, But why Force Obama To change churches?

Hypocrite much? Read the constitution ever?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_religious_test_clause

[Captain_Nemo]

23. I care if my president has a mentor who dismisses the suffering of a victim of murder.

[Moochy]

25. Guilt by association CRAP

prove it.

or GO AWAY and take your straw men, and empty hollow rhetoric with you.

[Captain_Nemo]

35. This thread is about a serious issue. ONe more comment and I will alert.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. this is getting boring now

let's move on

[Captain_Nemo]

17. Then leave the thread.

[Cheap_Trick]

36. it's beyond boring

they decry sexism while utilizing racism. :eyes:

[faithfulcitizen]

20. Is this Wright guy running for President? If so, I'm definitely not voting for him!

I'm voting for Obama. :)

[Yurovsky]

51. Thank you ...

this whole "guilt by association" thing is very dangerous.

Look at the Catholic Church's pedophile problem. Does that make every Catholic pro-child molestation??? Hell no it doesn't.

[DeeDeeNY]

141. Excellent point

[Quixote1818]

21. That does kind of bug me. I will bet you it would bug Obama too. nt

[leftofcool]

24. He does need to address this publically

This could cost him female votes

[Quixote1818]

27. Might not be a bad idea. If it were me, I would. nt

[Captain_Nemo]

31. I think this has already cost him female votes.

[Moochy]

40. And Republican Limbaugh Votes

8.5% at least in Mississippi that he could have gotten like Hillary!

[Drachasor]

80. This "story" is from World Net Daily. I am not sure it is actually true, honestly.

They provide no sourcing.

[spooky3]

154. Go to YouTube, search for, and watch the video clips yourself

Unless they have (again) been removed by YouTube, you will see and hear what the OP posted. The church, by the way, recorded and sold recordings of the services, including these.

If Clinton had for 20 years attended the church where the woman pastor had said anything close to the equivalent of what Wright said, in racist rather than misogynist language, Clinton's campaign would be over.

[Drachasor]

156. There's nothing there (I did a google video search -- no results) If it was there you'd link it

Next time back up your claims, a simple link would have worked. Searching for "Wright Holloway" found nothing. As did "Wright 'giving it up'".

Nothing seems to be out there at all that backs up the OP's claims. There's a World Net Daily (uber-conservative and questionable source) article and that is it.

[spooky3]

160. As I mentioned in my prior post, YouTube previously

removed the videos and there was a possibility that after someone posted them again, that YouTube did the same thing. As I am sure you are aware, YouTube often pulls videos for a variety of reasons, including copyright reasons - you've probably tried to view some clips from TV shows and found that they said "removed due to copyright restrictions" or something like that. Sorry, I can't control YouTube for you.

I heard and saw the videos myself as did other people, before they were removed. I didn't believe them until I heard them either. I know you don't want to believe it, but what the OP said is true. CNN showed a portion of them this AM but they bleeped certain parts and didn't show others, including the gyration of hips while talking about what Bill Clinton allegedly did.

Since the church sells these videos, maybe you can contact Trinity and ask to buy a copy of each of them. The misogynist comments re: Clinton occurred on Christmas, 2007, according to CNN.

On edit - I just went to YouTube and had no difficulty finding the segment dealing with Clinton by searching for "Wright Clinton." Why is it so difficult for you to find it?

[Drachasor]

167. I'm familiar with the Clinton remarks, I was speaking of the Holloway ones

Which don't seem to be anywhere or anywhere in the news except for an extremely conservative website. This Holloway thing seems made up.

There's nothing in what he said about Clinton that indicates any sort of hatred of women, so I don't consider that a big issue. He does seem a bit ignorant on the realities of sexism, but that doesn't make him sexist -- it's certainly not quite as bad as what Ferraro said (he didn't imply her being a woman was an advantage). What was misogynist there?

[SunsetDreams]

26. While I am not excusing....

what he said at all in your post, where did you get the idea of "Natalie Holloway"? I heard that clip, and all he said was white girl, he could have been talking about anyone. It still doesn't make what he said right, but let's not bring Natalie into this.

Yes the word he used for Hillary was horrible, although I do understand the point he was trying to make. It has to be awful to be in someone's shoes like that and called that vile name. Until you've been called that, you can't know how they feel.

Obama said, had he heard those statements he would have been shocked too, however he decided that since he retired, there was no reason to leave the church.
Obama also apologized for the disgusting comment made on his opponent, meaning Hillary.

What else should he do? He has condemned, repudiated and rejected his comments. He no longer has a role on the African American Society group that the campaign consulted. Obama did the right thing, but for some people its never enough. I admire him greatly for standing up to the divisive words, and taking up for Hillary too. That's character.

The pastors words were wrong! But Obama shouldn't be blamed for something his preacher said. If we all were blamed for something somebody we knew said, this world would be a sad place.

This is more like what Obama heard all those years:

http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html


Yesterday in Indiana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsqDTVmlKk&feature=user Obama isn't running from the swiftboat, like some of our past candidates have.

[Quixote1818]

32. Thanks for posting those links. nt

[SunsetDreams]

85. Your welcome :)

[LisaL]

55. Hmm. The reference to Aruba did not give you a clue?

Do you know of many other white girls who have gone to Aruba and got a lot of media attention when they went missing?

[SunsetDreams]

67. I didn't hear him say...

Aruba, I'll have to listen again.

Either way it's wrong

My point of my post still remains.

[AGirl]

157. He was in Obama's campaign!!!!!

[mtnsnake]

28. Hear! hear!

K&R!

[Colobo]

30. So if Wright farts, it's Obama's fault.

[goldcanyonaz]

33. No, it would be Hillary's fault.

[Captain_Nemo]

37. Wright already farted and Obama stayed close by his side!

[faithfulcitizen]

46. So, now the "Smeller *IS* the Feller"?

:rofl:

[rug]

50. Bush's fault.

[kwenu]

34. Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch!!!

Nice try. Won't work. To paraphrase Gerry the Great, Hillary is very lucky to be a woman because she wouldn't be where she is were it not for her husband.

[jackson_dem]

42. Obama was NEVER in the pews when Wright said anything bigoted

Each time over 20 years he happened to be missing. :sarcasm:

I agree with you. Wright is a racist, sexist, and a nut. He is radioactive and a rethug dream come true for swiftboating Obama in the general if we decide to hand them the election by nominating Obama.

[rodeodance]

49. and just think --Obama expected people to believe him!!--and his fans DID

[jackson_dem]

77. the power of "hope"!

[Captain_Nemo]

56. If Wright was Hillary's pastor I think Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, would be asking for her head.

[jackson_dem]

76. Yup. The only pol I can think of who was stupid enough to associate with a racist org was Lott...

There are definitely several racists, as well as sexists in Congress and in gubernatorial mansions but they all know it is politically idiotic to publicly associate with such an entity. The only other one I can think of is Trent Lott, whose uncle was on the organization's executive board. He gave the exact "I didn't know! (even though I was close to the organization and a leader of it)" excuse Obama is using.

[barb162]

111. He wasn't in the pews; he's was standing there clapping behind Wright.

Or dancing in the aisles!

[LulaMay]

125. I'm afraid you are so right. This is really bad news for Dem's.

I told my husband I was afraid that he couldn't even be in the VP slot after this.

They'll murder us with it.

I've been really upset.


I want to know from the leaders of this party HOW they let this go by? And why did the media let it go for so long too?

It stinks.

[malik flavors]

43. Where's the footage of the Holloway remarks?

[Drachasor]

79. This story is from World Net Daily -- Hardly an unbiased source

I made a post on it below. This might be a concern troll, but I am not sure.

[cooolandrew]

47. The point on that story is rape of a white woman will overtake the news rape fo ablack is statistics

I remember at the time there was lots of death in Iraq but it becaam e the Aruba news. To divide people from blacks and the real issues.

[goletian]

53. you ever read the bible? guess what, its bigoted. get over it. nt

im not commenting on the pastors comments because i dont know what they are and what you posted doesnt really sound sexist, but if hes a practicing "christian" then i wouldnt be surprised.

[Captain_Nemo]

57. your comments makes no sense. Go back to Barack's forum.

[Hoof Hearted]

54. many of his comments were disrespectful of women, but he's a LUNATIC so

I'm not shocked.

[Captain_Nemo]

63. And some liberals are ready to put his protege in the Oval Office.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. He's quite likely going to be our nominee.

Time to start figuring out how to deal with that fact, instead of throwing irrelevant bullshit (like someone else's quotes) at the guy.

[Captain_Nemo]

72. Wow, I hope you like McCain.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. I'll like him fine after President-Elect Obama sends him back to his minority party in the Senate.

[malik flavors]

87. Wait, wait...did you just call us liberals? **FREEPER ALERT** **End Thread**

[Drachasor]

83. That said, this story was written on World Net Daily, which doesn't seem like a good source

I couldn't find it anywhere else.

[Warren DeMontague]

62. Did you demand that John Kerry leave the Catholic Church in 2004? Do you know the Vatican's record

on womens' issues? How about their disgraceful (if not an outright international criminal conspiracy) record regarding helping known pedophiles escape law enforcement?

Frankly, I'd like to see a day when we don't give a shit about what "church" our candidates belong or don't belong to. Until then, though, Obama is responsible for his OWN words. Period.

If Wright himself runs for something, I'll be sure to consider any asinine statements he's made as relevant.

[Captain_Nemo]

64. Yuo'r emissing the point and protecting Obama who has this misogynist creep as a mentor.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. I'm not "protecting" anybody. The guy is responsible for his OWN words.

Not his pastor's words, not his gardener's, not the dude who installed his cable...

period. End of fucking story.

[Captain_Nemo]

66. So you would sit in a pew and watch your pastor dry humping the air and dissing a victim of murder?

[Warren DeMontague]

69. No, I wouldn't sit in a pew, period. I've got better things to do with my Sunday mornings.

Like sleep in.

But if the Pope is going to engage in criminal conspiracy to help child molesters escape justice, where is the outrage at all our Catholic politicians?

[Captain_Nemo]

71. Your response is weak. And so is Obama.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. Try looking in the mirror, on that one.

I'll say it again-
THE MAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN WORDS.

If you've got a problem with something Barack Obama has said, fine. But unless he is an extremely talented ventriloquist, what other people do with their mouths isn't Barack Obama's responsibility.

Oh, and he may be weak, but he's also winning.

Which is, I suspect, what you're really mad about.

[kwassa]

153. Your OP is entirely bogus: Wright preaches AGAINST sexism

I get so sick of the lies told in this forum about Wright, by those who don't do the tiniest bit of research, and willfully misunderstand what he is talking about.

You should read this entire excellent article and actually learn something about his church.

http://www.ucc.org/news/chicagos-trinity-ucc-is.html

"There have been two major sins in the Black church that many Black churches will not address – homophobia is one and sexism is another," Samuel says, "and Jeremiah Wright has been one of the articulate, courageous voices that has not been afraid to address these critical issues. If he can do that and still maintain his close connectivity to the Black community, and stay grounded in the Black ethos, that's what has inspired me."

[LulaMay]

93. It is stunning how people refuse to face this. Thanks for your posts.

[treestar]

162. If he only did it once, I don't think I'd change churches over it

And another thing, leaving that church would do no good. Staying and having an influence might.

Obama may not even have been there that Sunday.

This is ridiculous. We should be finding out where McBush goes to church and going through that pastor's every word with a fine tooth comb.

[JVS]

139. But their hierarchy is white and behaves in a subdued fashion in the pulpit.

Totally different situation

[lligrd]

73. Wright's Words? DUers Have Been Saying The Same Thing

Holloway's fate was tragic but hardly deserving of all the coverage it got. And that is all Wright was saying. You are reading into it more than he said and you are wrong to do so.

[Drachasor]

75. Concern Troll? Is there a source for this story besides World Net Daily?

Really, that doesn't seem like a good source.

That said, I don't disagree with his point -- we should pay more attention to atrocities committed all over the globe.

[eggman67]

81. Well ya know...

:sarcasm:

...we just decided to let you little ladies vote less than 90 years ago, don't go getting all uppity now. Geez, ya give 'em an inch...

:sarcasm:

[Levgreee]

86. If he said the murder of a male was getting to much attention in the media,while hundreds of deaths

were ignored, you wouldn't give a crap. Him talking about Halloway had nothing to do with her being a woman. If it had been a male celebrity, male victim, whatever, he would've made the same point.

[LisaL]

88. Oh for crying out loud.

He was talking about black women being raped.
And he didn't say she was murdered. He was talking about her giving it up in Aruba.
Do you seriously believe that it had nothing to do with Natalee being a woman in that context?

[Beregond2]

90. Duh

Any fool could see his point, which was that the media goes crazy over one white girl's disappearance, while ignoring the rape and murder of thousands of black girls in Darfur. Exactly how is that anti-female? You are just trying to keep this non-story going for your own twisted ends, and it is sick.

[LisaL]

94. That dead white girl didn't do nothing to anyone.

Is she responsible for the media attention? Does she care about the media attention now that she is dead? And he didn't say she went missing. He said she was giving it up.
I guess you see nothing wrong with that, do you?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

101. This stunt of "there's a point underlying his repulsive comment" is not persuasive

Nobody is questioning his underlying point.

Nobody.

Anywhere.

His comment was overtly sexist in a disgusting way. It was cruel and willfully racially hateful.

You are defending the indefensible.

[LulaMay]

91. His attempts to trivilaize sexism & divide black and white women is repugnant.

[polichick]

95. That's enough to "enrage" you??

[barb162]

113. Does racism enrage you? n/t

[polichick]

137. The Clinton campaign's race-baiting didn't "enrage" me...

...and I don't see how these words are worse than those words.

[barb162]

146. Wright's words are far worse than anything Ferraro said.

Wright's anti-white rantings were so disgusting. Maybe Ferraro should respond to Wright that black people gave AIDS to white, you know, to put things on the exact same level on which Wright is operating.
:sarcasm:

[polichick]

147. All this faux outrage is ridiculous - Obama didn't say or condone these things...

Bill Clinton used race-baiting personally ~ but I suspect the Clintonites aren't "enraged" over that.

[tammywammy]

96. There were many many threads on DU when Natalie Holloway first disappeared

about how the cute blond white woman gets extensive media attention for months on end, while others don't.

:shrug:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

110. Nobody questions that. Nobody. That's not what's being discussed.

The question is not whether missing white girls get obsessive media coverage.

The question is whether it advances that argument to minimize the Holloway story by saying she was a tramp.

Since the corpse of Natalie Holloway is probably not working as the program director at CNN, it's a vile, indefensible thing to say, and said to encourage contempt of some murder victim (and/or rape victim) because she's white.

This is one of those issues with exactly one side that really brings the worms out of the dirt. Nobody can defend what he said. It's actually indefensible.

It was straight up hate for the sake of hate.

We all know racists and we all know how they think... they can't tell a story about a black person without throwing in gratuitous little negative characterizations and slurs based on race that have nothing to do with what's being discussed... it's almost like a nervous tic.

[barb162]

106. His misogyny and his racism are disgusting. Liberals shouldn't be excusing it

Those who do aren't liberals.

[gabeana]

116. Bill was really good on womens rights

He really respected Hillary, countless affairs,
Obama only listned to the Reverend
Hillary stayed with her misogynist husband
yeah Bill showed a lot of respect for women
the real reason your upset because you want a women president, you know Hillary is not liberal, just pretend
take a look who is a member of that Christain fellowship along with Hillary,
how about Sam Brownback and Ricky santorium
its lead by Antiabortion leaders
how bout them apples
since all this guilt by association Hillary has shown poor judgement by hanging with Bill

[MethuenProgressive]

145. Liberals aren't excusing it. Obama supporters are.

Big difference.

[babylonsister]

117. Hey, Capt!

I'm a white 52-yr old woman, and I'm not upset about Natalee H. She got way more than her 15 minutes when so many young black women suffered similar fates and the m$m never covered them. I do believe that's what he was getting at. And Darfur? That is a gross injustice that might have been addressed if we were ignorant of Iraq. Maybe not with the dim one, but there could be a slice of hope.

As for the right Rev. Wright, what was said was said by him, not Obama. I have lots of people in my life I don't agree with but still care about. If you don't, your realm must be small.

Vote for who you want, but please, if you're a thinking person, educate yourself to both sides.

[barack the house]

120. God loves you. The world is pot of emotions add nice ones.

[LulaMay]

123. Answer the post. Explain Rev. Wright's sexist behavior & words. Save your Holier Than Thou's.

[atufal1c]

133. Let me try.

Not a member of the church, or even a church-goer, but my wife has been a member for over 20 years. We were married by Wright year before last.

I shake my head in disappointment at some of the things that Wright has said. But this anti-woman thing is flat-out false.

My wife's mother was recently made a deacon in the church. And women in the pulpit is the acid-test for sexism in churches--black and white.

But especially black. And there are women in positions of authority all over TUCC. I should know, we get the monthly newsletter.

But it's not just that, ask yourself if a Michelle Obama (and I'll ask myself if my "feminazi" wife) would belong to a sexist church. Where would she fit in a church like that?

In fact, it's hard to pull anti-woman sentiment out of the Holloway comment. It's crude. Insensitive. But I see it as a swipe at an American news media that is more interested with the fate of one white woman on vacation than the fate of hundreds or thousands of black women in Darfur.

Now maybe you don't buy that. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you don't think that the women of Darfur should be any of the media's concern. But do you honestly believe that the statement is sexist? And for the record, Holloway was, what, 18 years old when she disappeared? I remember much being made of such a young "girl" disappearing. Do a Google news search for "natalee holloway and girl" and see how many hits you get.

This sexism thing just doesn't fit.

[Liquorice]

128. From what I've heard from Wright,

he sees most things in terms of race. He seems to not like white people too much, especially rich white people. He blames them for many things.

I'm disgusted that any pastor would say Natalee Holloway, or any woman, was "giving it up" when in fact she was probably raped and definitely murdered. It's like he's saying she deserved it. But he would never say that if she had been black. So he was sexist and hateful towards Natalee Holloway, but it's more to do with Holloway being white and rich, than with her being a woman. He apparently has a pervasive dislike of rich white people, and he will employ sexism against a wealthy white woman who was murdered (and basically call her a slut), because it suits his agenda. And this is Obama's mentor and adviser.

[anonymous171]

129. Ever heard of "Missing White Girl Syndrome"? It's not only Wright.

[Liquorice]

131. I have heard of that, and it's true. What is indefensible

about Wright's "sermon" is that he called Holloway a slut and implied that she deserved to be murdered, but the women of Darfur are innocent and do not deserve to be raped. No woman deserves to be raped or murdered, but Wright hatefully implied that Holloway did. That kind of language is despicable.

[Skittles]

136. just how

does insinuating a murdered girl is a slut enhance his cause about the MWG syndrome?

[DrFunkenstein]

130. Best Faux Indignation Headline Ever!

"Wright's anti-female words enrage me."

You can't be enraged and type anti-female at the same time. But you do get points for trying to connect some fairly distant dots.

[Recursion]

132. You must not have been on DU when the Holloway story broke

Because this board really hates the "missing white girl" media bump just like Wright does.

[Peace Patriot]

134. John Kerry's membership in the Catholic Church is disgraceful!

The Pope said that women can't be priests because they do not physically resemble Jesus.

Meaning they don't have pricks.

Women are second class citizens in the Catholic Church. Should we not have voted for John Kerry because of that?

This is a ridiculous controversy. And, in any case, Rev. Wright didn't SAY anything against women. He was talking about an entirely different issue, which is that the rapes and deaths of black women are not covered in the news--while those of white women get headlines for weeks. And it's TRUE!

You are deliberately misunderstanding what he said. And I don't think you "as a white woman" (and I'm one, too) can fully understand what it means to be black and invisible.

[Skittles]

135. it is, indeed, DISGUSTING

:puke:

[shayes51]

138. Good post. Thank you.

[indimuse]

142. ditto!

k&r!!

[reflection]

143. I like Obama

but this "pastor" sickens me, on several levels. It's won't change my (likely) vote for O, but I bet it will change a lot of other people's votes. :-(

[philk17088]

144. Don't vote for him

If rev Wright's words tear you up so bad, don't vote for him.

Ohhh, he's not running for anything.

[Iceburg]

148. Welcome to DU/nt

[girl_interrupted]

152. Does Wright remember what Viola Gregg Luizzo was called?

It may play well to get a congregation all stirred up with hate to get them to vote for your candidate, and I think that was his intention. What gets me about this guy is that he doesnt acknowledge the struggles women went through and if left to his logic, women should hate all men because they denied them rights, at one time. He doesnt acknowledge whites being part of the civil rights movement, either .

Case in point....43 years ago this week Andrew Goodman & Michael Schwerner & James Chaney, 2 white men & one black man visciously murdered in Mississippi during Freedom Summer trying to register black voters. Or the thousands of others, both white and black who fought for civil rights and marched with Dr King.

Or Viola Gregg Liuzzo, a 39 year old , mother of five, civil rights activist murdered in 1965. Does Wright know what she was called? Wasn't just the "N" word, "lover" was added it to it.


Listening to Wright, you would think there has never been any progress in civil rights. No 1964 Civil Rights Act, no desegregation, no Affirmative Action. No black lawyers, doctors, judges, professors, politicans or Supreme Court Justice.

Katrina was despicable, but where were Wright and Obama and Oprah during this? Was he happy with Condi Rice's actions?


We got this far, by people black and white working together. People like Wright seek to divide more than unite and that's just too bad.

[GoldieAZ49]

150. I won't vote for his protege Obama either

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

[Hieronymus]

155. One of the big things I have against Hillary supporters is that they .....

want a woman president, regardless of qualification or any other factor.

[JoFerret]

161. It's true - they were shocking and disgraceful

.

[RedShoesBlueState]

164. He's a sexist old idiot

Every time I see that one clip, where he goes on and on about how Hillary hasn't had to experience this or that, I want to just scream. When I think about the slurs and insults that have been hurled in this woman's way directly, SIMPLY because she is a woman, I get physically ill. No, she hasn't been called the N word -- but she has been called the B word, and the C word, and L word -- simply because she's a bright, assertive, educated woman who hasn't felt the need to smile her way reassuringly through every conversation or speech she's ever made. No, she hasn't had to fear lynching, but she has had to fear rape and battery simply because of her gender. I don't care if she was raised on the North side or the South side -- those are universal truths if you're a woman in America.

And once again, I want to know how Obama could sit in that pew for 20 years and not be repulsed by this man's rhetoric -- so repulsed that he would get up, and walk out. Hell, I'll get up and walk out on a freakin' MOVIE if it offends me. And he's been giving this church his money for 20 years?

[bridgit]

166. Randi/Schultz were playing the snippets today on the radio. Wright mentions BO being...

abandoned as a child...never mentions his dad as black. He mentions being raised by a single parent...never mentions his single parent mother as being white. It seems pastor Wright has a greater problem affixing proportional truth to the matters he preaches from his pulpit. Assigning blame where it also resides; while withholding praise where it belongs. And all along racial lines.

[backscatter712]

171. The only reason you're "enraged"

is because it smears Obama.

You're a phony.

[bridgit]

172. what a sweet sentiment expressed like a true 'male'...

:eyes:

[Captain_Nemo]

174. That makes no sense.

[durrrty libby]

173. Can't disagree with one word. Bravo

:applause: :applause: :applause: