Want to know why Hillary people are reacting so adversely to the Obama speech?

[Alter Ego]

Because he didn't do what she would have done.

He's a different kind of politician--and I'm proud to be supporting Senator Obama.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. I don't think they are

:shrug:

[Alter Ego]

5. Have you been paying attention to the threads

popping up from Hillary supporters all over GD:P?

[alcibiades_mystery]

I guess I have so many on ignore...

:shrug:

[Alter Ego]

41. Ah, I forgot about the power of the "Ignore" button

I guess I'm too lazy to put them there, though.

[kenfrequed]

51. I never use it

No matter how much I disagree with someone I do not put them on a blanket 'ignore' it just limits what I can see.

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Good for you

[ORDem]

6. Posting threads saying he "poked whitey with a stick in the eye" is not

over-reacting? Huh?

:dem:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. Don't fall in the trap. A handful of idiots does not a support base make.

[alcibiades_mystery]

97 posts for that clown?

Freeper, more likely.

[KingFlorez]

16. I think that person is just a disruptor

[City Lights]

45. I made a deposit to my ignore after reading that.

IMHO, the best medicine is to ignore rather than engage. He/she is just looking for attention. The only attention they deserve from me is a two-cheek salute. Imagine what would happen if he/she came to make a stink and no one noticed.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. myDD is calling it an attack on Hill.

how insane is that?

[uponit7771]

2. RIGHT!! He coudn't throw his paster under the bus no more than he could throw his grand mother...

[rateyes]

4. What's a "paster?"

[nashville_brook]

7. one who pastes.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. What about one who eats pasteries?

[nashville_brook]

17. one who eats really paste-y pastries. or maybe one who wears pasties?

[nashville_brook]

18. one who makes and fits pasties.

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[knixphan]

39. or one who applies the pasties...

[rateyes]

15. Well, then, why in the hell

would Obama want to throw a person who pastes under the bus? :rofl:

[stillcool]

54. you are funny...

NewsMax circa 2007? didn't work then, why do you think it will work now? Insanity: doing the same things but expecting different results.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703290011

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. I'm not supporting either

but it does seem to me that the speech I read was not the same as the speech read by Clinton supporters. As a speech, I felt it was excellent. I would ask Clinton supporters to point me to speeches by their candidate that I can look at and compare.

[uponit7771]

8. She reads off a sheet of paper, she doesn't give speeches...

[grasswire]

20. he's superior because he uses a Teleprompter?

Is that it?

God, you have a lot to learn about politics.

[elixir]

And he reads off a teleprompter and index cards..hmm

[elixir]

34. Why are we comparing speeches? Because Obama excels at speechifying? Maybe we should judge

the candidates by their actions and ideas.

I'm not electing someone to make speeches.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

48. I guess I feel it is important at this time in our history

Whoever becomes president is going to have a lot of tough choices to make. And he or she will have to be able to convince Americans to go along with the sacrifices that must be made so that out country, our world, may continue to be a viable place to live. FDR used his speeches to help America weather the Depression and then fight WWII. I think we'll need someone who can talk to the people in the coming months and years just like FDR talked to my parent's generation.

[Nitrogenica]

9. Because some of them are righties?

[knixphan]

43. bingo.

[Johnny__Motown]

12. She gave a big speech yesterday.. and it fell flat, as always

[uponit7771]

19. She reads from a sheet of paper and doesn't speak from the heart...Obama at the LEAST is good at...

[greguganus]

24. She did? Nothing in the news about it. Must of been really flat. n/t

[pbca]

13. I've got most of them on ignore

So I don't know how they are reacting.

[greguganus]

21. Hillary's probably got Penn by the throat yelling "Why can't I give a speech like that you idiot!"nt

[DJ13]

22. I think they're upset that Obama has laid to rest the race card they loved to use

Their biggest hope for Clinton rested on being able to smear Obama enough that they could coerce the super delegates into supporting the "undamaged" Hillary in the convention.

Race was their biggest gun in that smear campaign, now its probably gone, and with it Hillary's chance to overcome Obama and gain the nomination.

[knixphan]

44. spot on. advantage-Barack.

[SoFlaJet]

23. Sorry Alter Ego

but not all the Clinton folk here are saying bad things-this is a day I would hope we all remember that we are democrats first and foremost

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

36. Democrats first and foremost

Excellent words, SoFlaJet!!!!!!!!

[SoFlaJet]

47. one day, one day a week

I wish we could be democrats and refrain from bashing either one of our GREAT candidates-I will be voting democratic all down the line-it's too important this time. For me it's personal, I have a 15 year old beautiful son and 3 beautiful grandsons that I do NOT want mired in McCain's 100year war plans. I just lost my Vietnam veteran brother (who suffered from PTSD) a couple of months ago at 60 that my heart still aches from.

[suston96]

25. Quit bunching all Hillary supporters in the same tub....

The speech was good but speeches, even the best, cannot do it all.

JFK's Catholicism speech was about something totally unrelated to the race theme of Obama's speech. He may have dissipated any doubts in his African-American and other supporters but whether he resolved anything about the racial divide in the country remains to be seen.

[WolverineDG]

28. At least he's trying to heal the divide

and not exploit it.

dg

[suston96]

42. He is trying.....one person cannot do all that "healing".

...and I personally am old enough to remember the divide when it was very deep and widespread. I do not believe it is that deep or widespread anymore.

And I also believe, as Obama stated in his speech, that there are bigger things that need to be addressed that affect all of us and that have little or nothing to do with race.

[WolverineDG]

53. So why did you bring it up in the first place?

Can't have it both ways.

dg

[BumRushDaShow]

46. The analogy is not with respect to the topic but the controversy that swirled around the candidates.

JFK gave his speech because of the media (and public) outcry regarding whether his Catholicism would (negatively) impact on his running the country and the oft-cited perception of "the Pope" taking precedence over "all the people of the U.S."

In Obama's case, the issue is the media (and public) outcry regarding whether his race would (negatively) impact on his running the country and the oft-cited perception of (the needs of) "African Americans" taking precendence over "all of the people of the U.S.".

Similarly, Romney also gave a speech regarding his Mormonism and the media drew comparisons to JFK's speech. However, Mormons are a small subsegment of society that rarely generates discussion as much as race/gender issues or the long-suffering issue and controversy of the Catholic faith. The fact that JFK was threatened because of his denomination (and then assassinated) is a case in point.

[Alter Ego]

49. Obama has acknowledged time and time again

that speeches will not heal the racial divide in this country, no matter how passionate or eloquent the speaker happens to be.

His whole campaign, his central message, his purpose for running for the office, seems to be to remind us of something that I think even we forgot a long time ago: that we are not primordially black or white, male or female, Republican or Democrat: we are Americans first and foremost, and the ability to repair the damage done domestically and abroad does not belong to one person or even one faction.

It belongs to ALL of us, and it is our responsibility to work together to make it happen.

Edited to add more.

I realize that some people will instantly jump on what I said as "empty rhetoric, just like your candidate!" You're only partially right. It is rhetoric, but it remains the only true way we can succeed in restoring our image abroad and solving our most thorny domestic problems.

Hillary supporters, like my own mother and sister (and even my father) like to tell me that it takes "experience", and Obama doesn't have any and Hillary does so he's unqualified to be President. What good is experience, when your motives are anything but benevolent? We saw a prime example of this exact situation in the eight years of the previous administration--many of them had worked for past Presidents, and yet their experience did not lead this country down the "path of righteousness", so to speak.

This is not to say that Hillary's experience means nothing. Despite anything I have said about her on this board, she is an incredibly talented, knowledgeable, seasoned politician--and I know that I as well as many Obama supporters here have been caught up in what is best described as "the heat of the moment" and said some things about Hillary personally that we regret.

But she seems to have an incredibly narrow view of what it will take to make America great again. According to her, "Yes I can." I'm sorry, Mrs. Clinton, but it is not merely the efforts of one politician that will heal the rifts between us and our allies. It is not the efforts of one politician that will create healthcare for every American. It is not the efforts of one politician that will close the racial divide and end sexual discrimination once and for all.

What it will take is the utmost effort--from ALL of us.

Barack Obama's slogan is not "Yes I can", but "Yes WE can". Why? Because there really is no simpler truth. We CAN do it--not just the politicians, but the citizens of this country too, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation or political party.

You want to know why I support Barack Obama? Because he's the first candidate I've ever seen that espouses TRUE unity.

[suston96]

60. Good post. What do you understand or mean by "TRUE inity"?

[Alter Ego]

63. I mean unity

across ALL lines--gender, race, sexual orientation, and yes, Hillary supporters, even political party.

[grantcart]

26. kick

[backscatter712]

27. Exactly. I didn't hear that *thump-thump*

of yet another person being thrown under the bus.

[shayes51]

29. Sorry you feel that way.

[dailykoff]

30. Yeah where were the tears?

And how did he forget to mention gangbanging?

[frazzled]

31. Perhaps what they can't understand is ...

how a politician could be courageous enough not to do the "political" thing but rather the deeply problematic but authentic and honest thing.

That is what struck me about the speech. What made me choke up was the speech's courage. Some of what he said may not have helped his campaign, but I was moved deeply by the fact that what was more important to him was to open up this difficult, painful, confusing and problematic discussion. I felt, even if this vicious attack sinks him, he will have made a truly significant contribution to America. And that, to me, is the very definition of patriotism. It was brave, very brave ... it was not about saving his political ass, it was about being honest about how America has to have this discussion. How we need to come together despite our differences if we are ever to solve any of the real problems we all face.

[knixphan]

50. RIGHT. ON.

[mtnsnake]

32. WTF are you talking about? I predicted what Obama would say before he said it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5135106

BTW, just who are all these people acting so adversely that you're referring to?

[dailykoff]

35. Well, you did predict that Hillary would cry..

did Obama cry?

[Alter Ego]

37. You're obviously not reading GD:P.

[easy_b94]

33. This speech was a final nail in the Hillary's coffin....

[dailykoff]

38. Yes he forgot to mention the vast white-wing conspiracy.

He's toast!

[dailykoff]

40. But I think I saw some ringers holding a "shine my shoes" sign.

[superkia]

55. We shouldnt care, just ignore their negative thoughts. We need...

stop feeding the beast, let them all reply to each other. Our country has more serious problems to use our energy on, ignore them!

[KaptBunnyPants]

56. They are reacting this way because they have lost.

Really, they lost weeks ago. But for some inexplicable reason, they still believed that some "hand of God" moment would happen that would put them back on top. They had hoped that an appeal to racial hatred would be enough, but seeing this speech, even they must know that their hopes are dashed.

[TwilightGardener]

57. They know, in their hearts, it was a brilliant, inspiring and genuine address

to the American people. This concerns them. Because Hillary is neither brilliant, inspiring NOR genuine--she's running on the fumes of the Clinton brand name and identity politics now. Also, they LOVED the Wright "scandal"--hate to see that slipping away, huh?

[Alter Ego]

58. No...I genuinely believe

that Barack Obama did something that caught them completely off guard.

Hillary supporters seem to have this preconceived notion of Barack Obama as an evil, conniving, angry black politician who secretly hates America and will do anything to gain the Presidency--and what Obama did today rocked them back on their heels.

He didn't jump over the ship's railing and try to save himself.

He didn't try to save his political ass--if that was the purpose, he WOULD have thrown Wright under the bus. That was not the purpose of this speech.

No, instead, Barack Obama stepped up to the plate and confronted an ugly issue that most politicians in Washington are too afraid to even go near--and he did it in a way that I believe will help him far more than it could hurt him.

[mod mom]

59. .

[RestoreGore]

61. We're not all "Hillary" people either. Some of us are Edwards' people...

That are now neutral in this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Me too!