Blame the white man for all the problems in the black community

[Rex_Goodheart]

Self deleted because I was incorrect.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Blame racism for the problems of the black community.

What, you think there are problems in the black community because they're somehow inferior?

[Jed Dilligan]

26. He probably agrees with Cal Thomas

http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/793010.html

snip

Cosby suggested most of the problems in black America are caused by "what we are doing to ourselves."

This is the attitude that appeals to others, especially whites, and makes them want to help poor blacks escape poverty.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Apparently.

But I'd like him to just come and tell us what he thinks are the problems with black people.

[Rex_Goodheart]

42. No, I think there are problems in the black community

because of both whites and blacks.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

51. What do you think they are, Rex?

Tell us what's so bad about black people.

[elixir]

65. The same things that are wrong w/ white people, race baiter.

"Hal. What are you doing, Hal?"

What do you think they are, Rex,?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. Well then what do you think the difference is?

How do you explain the disparities between white and black communities?

The only logical, non-racist, answer is to blame racism.

[TK421]

75. Where exactly did race become an issue in this ugly primary?

Who said what...when...and how? I would like to know, because since I get a great deal of info from this particular website and know that many posters supply links to various "legitimate" sites...sometimes I don't know what the hell to believe anymore...

[damntexdem]

61. Exactly. But that's no excuse not to all work on the problems.

Obama made it clear that racism explains the problems but does not excuse acting as the victim.

[redqueen]

2. It's in there. Read it again. (nt)

[NDambi]

12. Exactly. It's in there. Just goes to show people see and hear what they want

[babylonsister]

3. He wrote it himself, for starters:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5139232

[Rex_Goodheart]

8. I didn't know that. I'm very impressed.

Thanks for the info.

[K Gardner]

4. Wow. Let me guess.. you're not black, are you?

[elixir]

66. And you are...or wish you were. I love how Obama supporters have become experts on race, congrats.

[BumRushDaShow]

76. Wow. You finally crossed the threshold to make my ignore list.

Buh bye. :hi:

[democrattotheend]

5. Obama wrote his own speech

I read that in several places. Will try to find it.

[SteppingRazor]

6. I think there were a couple graphs that addressed accountability:

F"or the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans — the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives – by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American – and yes, conservative – notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright’s sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change."

[hedgehog]

18. There's also this:

And it means taking full responsibility for own lives – by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

[SteppingRazor]

34. That's part of the quote I posted.

:hi:

[Rex_Goodheart]

25. I missed that part

I stand corrected, and apologize to Mr. Obama.

[bicentennial_baby]

30. I would edit your OP then

:)

[SteppingRazor]

47. Eh, no biggie. It was a long speech.

:hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Ahem...

"frustrated white people who are on the fence, who have witnessed a half a century of affirmative action and welfare have gotten tired of excuses and grudges."

Excuse me?

And:

"That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change."

[jgraz]

14. Some people are going to take a few more sledgehammers to the forehead before they get it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Puh

thet
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[Fire_brand]

10. YES WE CAN!!

[uponit7771]

11. Me thinks you have issues with black folk

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[Oleladylib]

15. I will applaud Bill Cosby's take over this any day of the week...

he says the excuses do no make progress...action does. and further he says it's the black persons responsiblity and does not blame on history or white persons.

[jgraz]

17. Oh yes, Bill Cosby. The nervous white person's favorite black dude.

Pudding Pop, anyone?

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

LOL

Watch a lot of Bill Cosby reruns after "Soul Man," eh?

[Oleladylib]

33. you make me blush with all of your attention..gee tanks.

by the way...Soul Man was about someone pretending to be who he isn't ...watch out for that ...might gitcha.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. I know.

I've got plenty of experience with people pretending to be people that they aren't.

Racist, conservative disruptors on liberal message boards, for instance.

[jgraz]

53. lol -- don't get uppity, now.

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[jgraz]

29. You edit, I edit

[Rex_Goodheart]

31. No, it's not correct

It's a fucking excuse.

[myrna minx]

19. You obviously didn't read or watch the whole speech.

In addition, Senator Obama wrote his own speech.

[redqueen]

20. To add to the snippets others have posted for your benefit:

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

[Bluerthanblue]

22. this isn't about "BLAME"- that was very much a center-point of Obama's

speech.

How could you miss that? Wasting time assigning blame doesn't change anything- It isn't important. When we look to put the burden of what is wrong on other people, and refuse to look at our own lives, thoughts, feelings and DEEDS, we are only perpetuating the problem.

There is enough blame to bury everyone of us many times over. How about some courage? humility? selfless good will?

peace~

[JuniperLea]

56. People misquote MLK Jr. too...

They forget that he stood for EQUALITY... I heard much of the same sentiment in Obama's speech today. All the energy going toward pointing the finger is a waste and should be redirected toward education. People are still getting this wrong after 40 years... we MUST need more education!

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. You're either a very bad reader, or an outright liar

"For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives - by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny."

Selective attention, Rex?

Of course, if you knew anything at all about African American culture, you would know that SELF-CRITIQUE is a consistent trope in African American rhetoric, and Obama is playing out this trope here in a textbook manner. If you want to see another version of it, see Ice Cube's song Us. That's one example of about ten thousand.

[stellanoir]

24. The imbalances within our cultures and ethnicities are within ourselves

and can be resolved within.

Try it on Friday.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/reply.php?messageid=516957&page=1"e=op

It can't hurt.

[Oleladylib]

27. Excellent post...Excellent...Bill Cosby lays the problem at the feet of black people.

[jgraz]

36. OK, Oleladylib. I'm putting you on ignore before I say something that gets me suspended

Please educate your sorry self. :puke:

[Oleladylib]

48. jgraz...thanks a bunch for the personal vote...great!

[Oleladylib]

49. jgraz...thanks a bunch for the personal vote...great!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. So, OLL.

What do you think are the problems with black people?

In your own words, please.

[jgraz]

41. too many pudding pops, I'm guessing.

[Oleladylib]

55. They really are good aren't they!

[Oleladylib]

54. Actually,

any minority (including my own) has to climb the ladder (thank you I have more education that you I'll bet)..We are deterred along our path by the rich,well known folk with connections that enable them to achieve sooner, faster and wealthier...However, it does not mean that we cannot achieve anything we desire with the fortitude and drive to go for it.

[Binka]

58. You Claim To Be Educated And Yet You Penned This Nonsensical Drivel

:wtf:"We are deterred along our path by the rich,well known folk with connections that enable them to achieve sooner, faster and wealthier...":wtf:

Garbage writing. Garbage. My six year can construct a more cogent and coherent sentence.

I'm with the other poster, ignore for you before I blast your ass off this board. IMFCP!

[Oleladylib]

67. good for your six year old...adopted ?? or intelligent spouse...?

and oh by the way..you have NO power...ain't it great!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. So you're saying black people won't "climb the ladder?"

You're saying they're lazy?

[Oleladylib]

69. if they use "black" as an excuse...yup!

or Italian, or Jewish, or Agrarian, or whateva..as an excuse..yup!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. So just for the sake of clarity...

you're saying black people are lazy.

OK.

[Oleladylib]

71. I suppose with limited intelligence comes limited understanding

so if youse a bornagain-hooligan..guess that figures.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. I really don't think you're in much position to talk...

when it comes to limited intelligence.

That's your whole argument, in a nutshell.

[Oleladylib]

73. youse is entertaining and I thank thee..

and you "think"...Now that is novel!

[Jed Dilligan]

74. Wow

I read that person's (?) original post earlier and thought it was a joke.

Another one for the list of Cal Thomas thinkalikes!

[JeffR]

52. And after all white people have done for them, too! The nerve, huh?

:eyes:

[Jersey Devil]

28. May thyne farts into the wind blow back into thyne own nose

Are you auditioning to be a comedy writer?

[endarkenment]

38. with spray.

[Jed Dilligan]

43. and dislodged dingleberries.

[Hugabear]

35. Rush Limbaugh, is that you?

I swear, those sound like right-wing talking points if I ever heard them.

I'm sorry, but you don't just erase HUNDREDS of years of oppression. Yes, we've made progress, but African-Americans still face an uphill battle in this country. It doesn't make it any easier with people saying they need to just "get over it" and take "personal accountability". Sometimes it ain't always that easy.

[Jed Dilligan]

37. White-owned giant prison system

Yes, that is what it is.

[Forkboy]

40. K&R for admitting your incorrect. Now go back and edit every other post of yours the same way.

:rofl:

[Rex_Goodheart]

44. I stand by my other posts.

[Forkboy]

63. That's what scares me.

[bicentennial_baby]

45. Thank you for editing

and for admitting your mistake. :)

[CitizenRob]

50. That's not what I heard.

Why are you quoting out of context. You skipped entire paragraphs.

Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven’t fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students.

This is in fact true by the way. We're more segregated now in most cities than we've ever been. Blacks live in black neighborhoods, whites live in white neighborhoods, and schools are neighborhood based and thereby segregated. Who's fault is that? Both sides actually.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn’t make it – those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations – those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.

Deconstruct this paragraph how you want, but the gist of it is that blacks who were discriminated against early on just gave up. And they passed that on to their offspring.

Notice you stripped out the first half of that paragraph in order to make an out of context claim? That's despicable by the way.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

Oh, and the VERY NEXT paragraph that you conveniently forgot to quote like a good Freeper OUTRIGHT stated that American-Americans have to face their own "complicity in our condition" that "prevents the African-American community from forging the alliance it needs to bring about real change."

So there you have it. Now what the hell are you freeping about?

UPDATE: you apparently reconsidered your OP. I'm going to keep this as it is because I may want to point to it later.

[City Lights]

57. Not this time. eom

[stillcool]

60. excellent.

[EFerrari]

62. Wow.

[metsqueenz]

64. Only Republicans are to blame

The Iraq war, the recession, not funding embryonic stem cell research. Those are all Republican-created problems. We need to boot them in 2008.