Both arguments - "Big States" and "Popular Vote" - disenfranchise voters EN MASS

[DeadElephant_ORG]

Much was made in the Clinton camp of Hillary's fervor not to disenfranchise voters in Florida and Michigan. So, can any HRC supporters explain why you are arguing to summarily disenfranchise a much larger swath of voters?

Your only remaining arguments for why the super delegates should reverse the result of our primaries, and hand the nomination to Hillary, are:

1.) she won a handful of "big states".

2.) she might win the so-called "popular vote". (emphasize might)


The "big states" argument throws out all the votes cast in the 45 states which you dismiss as "not big".

The "popular vote" argument throws out the expressed will of the people in 16 states in which caucuses were held.

Both arguments are embarrassingly undemocratic, and immoral. If the super delegates accept those arguments, the Democratic Party will be destroyed. Deservedly so.

[sallyseven]

1. Most of the stares that Obama won will not vote

democrat. Get with the education program and pay attention. I for one want the primaries changed. No cross over voting it should be illegal. Thee should ba a set time for each state to have a primary. Screw Iowa and all other caucas states. Primary and no cross over. Independents can go to hell. Make up your mind. This "I vote for the man not the party"is bullshit.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

2. You're saying since those states don't count in the GE, they shouldn't count in our primary.

That's called disenfranchisement. No need to insult my education or attentiveness.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. And you know this how?

Crystal ball?

The Democratic Party has spent the last 30 years ignoring certain states and the result is that our party all but handed them to the repukes on a silver platter. If you look at the voting trends in the '60s, you will see the point when the repukes finally woke up and decided to do their "50-state" strategy:

(Red = states won by Johnson, Blue = states won by Goldwater)


And after Goldwater lost like that, they were determined to redo the entire landscape. And they succeeded. And here we are today and it's time for the Democratics to get these folks back. The RW experient has failed and failed miserably. The country and the world is in economic collapse, the environment is only being looked at today because some figured out they could make money out of it, and the ridiculous ideological wars keep coming and coming.

It may take some time but at least the DNC is taking the first steps in reclaiming its rightful place as the "majority Party".

[stillcool]

4. I'd like a closed Primary...

with just those under the bus voting.