Hillary had a choice. (Bosnia remarks)

[VenusRising]

She did not just "Misspeak". By Hillary Clinton and her advisers boiling down her Bosnia trip statement to misspeaking, they obfuscate the real crux of this issue.

Hillary was reading a pre-written speech the day she made her "misstatement". This was not an impromptu speech given off the cuff. These were carefully prepared remarks written for Hillary on the anniversary of the Iraq war. I will give the campaign credit for being skillful and careful in their writing to get their point across and to further their candidate in the primaries and to make her look strong, but someone lost all care with their writing and started manufacturing events.

At some point, Hillary had to have read her speech. I don't think any politician goes out and cold reads a speech that is supposed to have an impact on a highly emotional topic like Iraq. Apparently, Hillary saw no issue with the manufactured events in the speech and went along. If she had been honest, she could have left that out. It was anecdotal fluff to start out her speech, yet she chose to keep it in and play along with the charade.

Hillary had a choice. And she chose to "misstate" from the start.

[ingac70]

1. The Obama campaign needs to make a commerical of it...

and play the shit out of it starting in PA and in every state until the primaries are over.

[VenusRising]

2. There are plenty on YouTube for the Obama camp to pick from. n/t

[tabasco]

8. There's lots of veterans in PA who won't like this crap.

Her lies are similar to a phony veteran's story and real vets hate phony vets.

[ingac70]

12. That's why he's GOT to make a commercial of it...

She'll lose PA and it will be all she wrote from there on out.

I hope he takes this opportunity to nail her to the wall.

[Why Syzygy]

16. He should stay clean. Let the MSM do their job. nt

[ingac70]

22. He doesn't need to stay "clean"

She's a bald face liar who needs to be sent on her way now.

[Swamp Rat]

19. No, but I am certain McCain's people will.

It's just too easy to pass up.

[ingac70]

23. If it goes that far, she's got the nom.

I want her out now.

[VenusRising]

39. The GOP will jump all over that.

You know how they LOVE to rake people over the coals about military service and patriotism.

Another great graphic, Swamp Rat! :hi:

[Jed Dilligan]

3. I cringe to imagine what Americans who have been under sniper fire

for their country, and those who still are, and all of their families think of Senator Clinton right now.

I never would have said it before, but she is truly the abomination that her supporters accuse Obama of being.

[VenusRising]

7. Like you, I can't even imagine being under sniper fire.

I'm sure that it would be traumatic and and extremely memorable event in your life.

The willful dishonesty is just more than I can stand. It's a respect issue, and when you willfully lie to me, then you can't possibly respect me. IMHO

[wileedog]

26. Her DAUGHTER was there

Forget me being under sniper fire, if my daughter was getting shot at I am quite sure I would remember every detail in vivid clarity.

I'm also quite sure I would have raised holy hell about if for years after.

Its obviously a lie, its just a matter of how far the MSM will take it.

[VenusRising]

37. Hopefully, the media will show it for what it really is.

But I won't hold my breath.

[Wetzelbill]

4. She should have never went that route

She tries to outmacho people and it's a bad way to go. Everybody makes themselves out to be a little more than they are, doesn't matter who you are, but she made big mistakes by going to far on the tough-guy stuff. It came off about as ridiculous as when Billo claimed to have combat experience because he was reporting on war from another country. And her going over there and doing what she did is a very creditable and honorable thing. It was great that she went to Bosnia to visit troops, good for her, but she made a fool out of herself by making it sound like it was more dangerous than what it was.

[VenusRising]

10. I think we can all agree that we've had all of the macho-ness

that we've had all of the macho-ness we can stand with W for the last 7 years. :banghead:

[Wetzelbill]

11. Granted in a Wetzelbill/Kurovski administration

I would eat nails and drink oil for breakfast every morning, but other than that I totally agree with you.

[VenusRising]

21. I'm sorry to inform you that I can no longer endorse your candidacy.

Your flippant attitude in the wasteful drinking of oil is clearly an endorsement of our rogue oil companies and will only guarantee more of the same.

I will now have to throw my support behind Barack Obama.


See what you did!!!!!111!1
















:P

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Wetzelbill]

33. But it will be the oil made from coal reserves in MT so it's ok

And the nails will be American made too. :)

[VenusRising]

35. Too late, back peddler.

I see through you now!




I'm so disappointed. I thought you were a sure thing. :evilfrown:

[Wetzelbill]

36. I did undertake sniper fire during the WTO in Seattle in '99

I had to run from Key Arena to my apartment. It was so dangerous that even the president couldn't go. Although, Chelsea Clinton was with me at the time. Go figure.

[VenusRising]

38. We're still awaiting video confirmation.

*looks at watch*

[Wetzelbill]

40. Paul Wellstone and Michael Moore were there

So are you calling me a liar? (nice angry nonsensical reply that makes an attempt to close the door) And it's common knowledge that sniper fire occured during the WTO in Seattle and tear gas too. Everybody knows this. (ending with a John McCain grouchy old man flourish.)

[VenusRising]

41. Oh yeah?! Well....

Pffffft!

:eyes:

[Wetzelbill]

43. Well you just convinced me to vote for McCain

Good day to you, ma'am.

[VenusRising]

45. You don't CARE about SCOTUS!!!

Freeper!!1!elevens!

[Wetzelbill]

48. Don't tell me I don't care

I've been on DU since the days when you had to cut a finger off just to join. I wish we still lived in the era where we could have duels because I would take you on anyday.

[VenusRising]

49. Nice post, Zell Miller.

:crazy:



















:rofl:

[Wetzelbill]

50. laugh all you want but I'll have a loaded gun and you'll have spitballs

Plus, I always thought that you looked a little French too. Oh snap! :smoke:

[VenusRising]

51. Good eye!

On my Dad's side. :)

[NanceGreggs]

5. Agreed. It was a choice ...

... and she made the wrong one.

Very wrong.

[VenusRising]

13. Unfortunately, it's not the first time she's made a bad decision.

The willful dishonesty just really hits a nerve with me.

[Catherina]

6. Misspeak lol. Her whole campaign is cracking me up

I'm beginning to understand the freepers who said they voted for her becuase the show was too good to end too soon.

What a pathetic human being.

[VenusRising]

18. I would laugh if it weren't so destructive.

How do you take someone seriously if they are going to knowingly lie right to you? (proverbial you)

:shakes head:

[Catherina]

29. I wish I could laugh too. Half the time when I type lol or rofl here

I'm not really laughing. 4000 dead US soldiers is nothing to laugh about. How pathetic their need to "win" at all costs has become.

[VenusRising]

34. My cousin is in the Navy.

I don't know much about where he is other than the Persian Gulf. It makes me sad and I worry for him and all of our men and women in this heinous war.

The fact is that this is another issue where Hillary went along. She had a choice and she made the wrong decision. It would have been stronger to stand up to Bush. That's what the people wanted and she turned her back. She doesn't seem to make very good decisions and is having a more difficult time making her case for foreign policy experience.

[Unsane]

9. It was a carefully prepared lie. Little did they know CBS had fucking video of it.

[VenusRising]

17. And since Al Gore invented teh internets...

video is more accessible and it's easier to disseminate.

:P

[Why Syzygy]

14. It's the same old way of doing things

with smoke and mirrors! And FAKE TURKEYS! I am so worn out by all the play acting politicians do.
I do not feel any of Obama's presentations have that character. It is like comparing cotton to acrylics.

It is a climate where it is a-okay for a politician to put on a stage show and manufacture any scenario they believe will advance their status.

I believe the rest of the world has already tired of this pomp. Could it be American citizens are FINALLY willing to WAKE UP and GET REAL? That's where we are headed. The old energies will do everything they can to impede this progress. But it is unstoppable. Our Universe is geared towards extinction and new birth. We are experiencing the beginning of the labor pains.

The laggards of course will have their laggard leaders. Witness HRC and McSame.

That's what this is all about.

[VenusRising]

25. I hope you are right about the ushering in of the new.

I do see a lot more people active in politics just in my circle of friends. It used to be that I would go on and on about what was going on while they rolled their eyes. They finally rolled them to the front and looked straight ahead, and now they are coming to me. Only now, I roll my eyes because what they tell me is old news(by DU standards). :rofl:

No more SMOKE and MIRRORS!

[SunsetDreams]

15. I agree

and then her campaign tried to spin it with more lies.

Good grief, tell the truth....we've been lied to, way too many times over the last 7 years.

[VenusRising]

28. Agreed.

The last seven years of lies have been like a bad hangover...head spinning, nausea, blinding pain....all trying to keep up with the lies.

[crankychatter]

20. Juvenile BS... it's absolutely apalling

The only the "wrong" in the mid of a sociopath, is getting caught

[VenusRising]

30. It is juvenile to think that people won't catch her in that kind of a lie.

She made the wrong choice.

[boppers]

24. No, no, no, look at Wright!

Do not let yourself become distracted from the Wright story!

:sarcasm:

Freaking media playing gotcha games. So folks, how do we send a message that we want actual politics, not gotcha games, this time?

[VenusRising]

31. That doesn't work on me.

I wish it didn't work so effectively on others. :(

[TLM]

27. what got me was her defense of her statements....

When asked by the press about the discrepancy and Sinbad's comments saying there was no danger. Hillary insulted Sinbad and dismissed him as just a comedian making a joke, THEN went on to unequivocally state her memory of the specific incident was clear and to describe the cargo plane, the CANCELED ceremony, and running directly to their cars under sniper fire, with heads ducked.

She lied. Then defended the lie and restated it while proclaiming her memory clear and accurate.

There is no room to dodge this one.

[VenusRising]

32. Exactly right.

Once she went with it, she just kept running. She should have just left the whole thing out of her speech and we would still be stuck in the boring between-primary lull.

[BeyondGeography]

42. The speech is still on her website in its original "misspoken" form

IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University

==Good morning. I want to thank Secretary West for his years of service, not only as Secretary of the Army, but also to the Veteran’s Administration, to our men and women in uniform, to our country. I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went.

I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base...==

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553

[VenusRising]

44. That's what makes this so egregious.

She's not even trying to hide it.

The reason this thing bothered me when it broke was because I saw that speech live. I complained to my husband that she was reading her speech keeping her eyes focused downwards more than on her audience. Her excuse for this just does not hold up to scrutiny.

[Tatiana]

46. There's something that bothers me about this whole thing that I can't put my finger on.

I mean this is such a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE and easily proven lie. Did Hillary really think that no one would notice?

Why didn't she, upon reviewing the statement, correct the falsehood? Or did she tell that story to the speechwriter?

[VenusRising]

47. I don't know what she was thinking, to be honest.

She retold the story when questioned by reporters AFTER she read the speech.

:crazy:

[Kablooie]

52. Boy, if I was a politician I'd hire someone full time to double check my speeches with news video

It's crazy that politicians think they can get away with lying about things that were in the news.

Absolute idiocy!

[VenusRising]

53. That wouldn't have even been necessary in this case.

She could have called Sinbad for free on her Nights and Weekends plan. :P

All kidding aside, she should have known. There's no excuse for this blatant manufacturing of the event.

[nomorewhopper]

54. she is a liar

nuff said

[VenusRising]

56. More importantly

she is a willful liar.

[Guava Jelly]

55. I keep thinking "Yellow Cake from Africa " for some reason

I don't know why

[VenusRising]

58. Let's see...

maybe the willingness to lie to further a political agenda. I could see that.

Although, "yellow cake" makes me think..."Yum! With chocolate frosting!!" :9

[Hepburn]

57. Yep....

..Hillary HAD a choice:

1. Tell the truth; or

2. Bullshit and lie.

We all know which option she took. :puke:

[VenusRising]

59. And the lie did absolutely nothing for her.

I can understand lying, though I don't agree with it, if she really thought it would help her, but there was no way this possibly could.

It is disgusting. :puke:

[Zodiak]

60. You make an excellent point

There is no such thing as "mis-speaking" in a prepared speech, much less 4 of them.

[VenusRising]

63. But they are going to stick to that excuse like glue.

All she is good for, at this point, is making excuses for her bad decisions.

[txaslftist]

61. It's a sign of her greater "experience"...

which teaches that if you lie blatantly, and get caught, the lie stays out there while the debunking fades.

The meme was "battle toughened Hillary", and that meme made it into the public discourse. Getting caught lying was unintended blowback.

[VenusRising]

64. This unintended blow back is what was needed.

If she is going to have any chance of winning the nomination and GE ever, she has to realize that no one gives a crap about the past. Experience doesn't count for shit when you are playing in a brand new arena will different rules of engagement. This is not the 90s political machine, and she might not even have a chance in 2012 if she doesn't start to understand that the world is a different place now and most people aren't looking to return to pre-Bush days.

[Buzz Clik]

62. She chose to state those words. She repeated them. She defended them. She chided her detractors.

It was, indeed, a choice that she made.

[VenusRising]

65. And not a very smart choice.

Which seems to be a continuing trend with Hillary.

[Life Long Dem]

66. Desperation calls for desperate actions