I saw President Bill Clinton in Asheville, NC Last Night.

[tekisui]

We arrived to stand in line around 6:45. About 500 people were there already. The line grew until the door opened at 8:15. The capacity of the High School gym was 2500, it was packed full, standing room only. President Clinton came on around 9:25 and spoke nearly an hour.

He looked tired, this was his seventh stop in NC of the day. NC is a big state to run around. When he started speaking, I remembered why he was such a good President. He is so very intelligent and articulate. He has a way of presenting piles of information in an easily digestible way. I was thoroughly impressed with his speaking skills.

His first 5-10 minutes were about the race. The usual stuff, historical candidates, exciting race. A few point that raised my eyebrows were when he told about his first run. He said many were pushing him in '88 to run, but he knew he wasn't experienced enough until '92. He also claimed that Hillary lost all the contests in February after Super Tuesday because she was out of money. He said the long fight is good for the Democratic Party and those calling for anyone the drop are wrong. He framed it as a three-way race for the WH. McCain got equal mention and equal respect.

After that, he was great. He gave a wonderful speech about how the B*sh administration had completely messed up America. He connected with the average person in their own personal recession. He spoke at length about the need for energy independence and green industry to build American jobs. He spoke a good deal about Hillary's Healthcare plan.

All in all, I was glad I went. I left thinking that he made good sense, and felt good about Clinton. I still strongly support Obama, but could support Hillary if she somehow took the nomination.

But, then I realized, that was Bill. He's not running. Of course I would vote for him to be President again, but Hillary is not Bill.

As good as he was, he didn't motivate or inspire me. He didn't put a fire for action in my belly. He didn't leave me feeling that we are going to make an actual difference in this country and this world. He came across as the all-knowing father figure who had all the answers and could solve all my problems. He didn't ask much of me.

His speech didn't elevate the way Obama, or even Kucinich does. His speech didn't sound like a call to action, like the solution to the problems involve me, requires work from all of us, the way Obama does.

[cooolandrew]

1. Yes a vote for obama is a vote for us."we are the ones we've been waiting for"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnaEPIGROUg

[roseBudd]

69. Obama is Morpheus showing us the door, we are Trinity, Neo, Niobe, Zion

[A-Schwarzenegger]

2. "McCain got equal mention and equal respect."

Could Bill be angling for a Veep spot with McCain?

[BeyondGeography]

24. That's the line that jumped out at me

At least the Clintons are transparent in one respect: Does anybody doubt they would be rooting for McCain to beat Obama?

[ShaneGR]

48. I don't think so at all... and I think its a shame some Obama people look at it that way.,....

The Clintons would NEVER appear on a Republican ticket. And this is it for Hillary, she's been campaigning for 3 years now, almost nonstop, she'll be in her 70s the next time around. And I think what most people aren't realizing right now is just how ugly Iraq is going to be in the next seven months. Death and mayhem will increase there because you can't bribe people to do what you want, you have to win their hearts and minds.

For years I've looked up to the Clintons, despite their faults they really do have the best interests of America at their core.

But, they've run a bad campaign and its over. I really wish she would just make a deal for the VP slot with Obama. That would be a fantastic ticket.

[BeyondGeography]

55. Nobody's saying they would run with the guy

just sit on the sidelines and root for him.

Anyway, if Obama doesn't make it, Gore will have no choice but to jump back in next time; he'll have nothing to fear from the wounded and diminished Clintons. Hillary will have had her turn, his would be next.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

57. The Clintons would NEVER appear on a Republican ticket UNLESS

it was good for the country, the world, and/or themselves.
Now, things are not looking good for Hillary, so Bill's wooing
of McCain leads to a Veep spot for him. McCain has at least half
a dozen gaskets ready to blow at the first crisis, so he
keels over, Bill's next in line, but he can't be President again,
so he appoints Hillary President, and the Dem Senate or whatever
squeezes her right through to keep things running smooth, and
voila, she's Prez and he's Veep. I think it's a pretty much
foolproof plan, far as I can see.

[sunnybrook]

65. how will she be in her 70s?

She is 60 now. Even in 8 years she will be in her sixties. In 4 years she will be 64. 50 is the new 30. I don't agree that it is necessarily over for her if she does not win this time.

[Fredda Weinberg]

3. We need a functioning executive ... not someone whose model is

a Chicago machine. Find your inspiration from those who don't take tax money.

[tekisui]

4. Inspiration finds me.

If someone knows how to present themselves to reach me, that matters. You can't really choose what will inspire.

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. And I give you credit for seeking. I found mine across the street

I know Ruth Klein started the community garden when I was 14 to impress me, but she'd had a long history of organizing projects. There was Virginia Snyder, a wily old reporter/private investigator who'd shared days of intriguing stories about our local elite when I lived in Delray Beach - I would drive downtown just to sit on her veranda.

I guess I did choose those who inspired me - and like you, I was actively seeking. But the Brooklyn political machine, like Chicago, is inherently dysfunctional, but I'm only reminding you of that fact ... I don't need to explain, do I?

[tekisui]

14. No need to explain.

I know of the faults of political systems. And, I know no one is perfect. I am also inspired by many non-political people, my grandfather being one. However, for the first time in my life, I have heard a couple of political figures that were able to strike a cord in me, Kucinich first, and then Obama.

Kucinich for what he says, his strength in the face of overwhelming forces against him. His dream of an elevated America.

Obama for how he says it. Who he is able to reach, and his ability to connect.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. I wish we could share this, but I won't be fooled again. When silly

season ends, the hard work will begin - we could be spared the learning curve as we try to reverse the damage of the current, questionably legitimate regime.

[indimuse]

41. I know her! I hired her..back in 81-82...

small world. :)

[Fredda Weinberg]

43. Quite a formidable force. I'm so grateful she took time for me n/t

[mod mom]

6. That's why such functional lightweights as Leahy, Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry and others

are backing Obama.

I believe one main issue confronting this country is corporatism and special interest. Who is the poster children of this problem better than the Clintons:


After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip

snip

"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

THE MAN WAS WILLING TO SELL OUT FOREIGN ELECTIONS FOR BIG BUCKS!


THE NEW REPUBLIC
With Friends Like These ...
by Marin Cogan, Melanie Mason, and Barron YoungSmith
Everything you ever wanted to know about the Clintons' shadiest donors.
Post Date Monday, February 04, 2008

It's not that we expect politicians to have squeaky-clean donor lists. You try running for office without, at one point or another, taking money from someone you probably shouldn't. Even Barack Obama, Mr. Clean, has Tony Rezko. But the Frank Giustra-Kazakhstan-Uranium affair, blown open by The New York Times last week, serves as a reminder that the relationship between the Clintons and money has not always been lily-white. Here, a guide to the unsavory characters who have been associated with Bill and Hillary Clinton.


http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. I refuse to call life unsavory. It just is and maturity is the ability to cope

I've seen your candidate try to cover what he knew would hurt him in the general. The Big Dog, for all his faults, is giving you his honesty - for a cause in which he believes so much he's willing to suffer publicly some more. If I didn't adore the man I married so much, I'd be jealous ...

Obama and the Dems in MA go back ... I have no problem w/loyalty or even behavior during silly season. I'm addressing a deeper issue: how this election is not about inspiration or even change ... we need competent, reasonably honest administration.

[cali]

22. lol

your faux maturity fools very few. We've seen your bizzare and unseemly attacks on Obama, his wife and even his children. You have often epitomized the silly season. Some of us do not see Hillary as being more competent than Obama and we have reason to question her judgment and honesty.

[Fredda Weinberg]

25. And we've seen your hypersensitivity ... every observation is an

attack. Unseemly? I've been civil throughout.

You can't question that she's been our senator w/o having to admit to boneheaded mistakes. In fact, I'd rather have her our governor, so no matter what, I win.

LOL? Only at you and yours ... ask your kids if you don't get it.

[sniffa]

26. Ah, now I know who you're talking to

It's mind boggling actually. :crazy:

[Fredda Weinberg]

38. Another one of my regular stalkers ... it's a technique I've seen before

And sharks like it too.

[tabasco]

33. Let's see the tax returns! Earmark requests!

White House records! Library contributor list!

I laugh at anyone who purports "honesty in government" as a basis to support a proven liar.

[Fredda Weinberg]

39. Patience, grasshopper ... oh, I mean, ketchup ... oh, rats ...

One of us is amused.

[tabasco]

42. Get out of the bunker and get some fresh air.

Cryptic claims of confidence don't win contests.

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. Can't ... working today and loving it. But if you want a lesson

Sun Tzu said: The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.

[tabasco]

46. I've already had my lessons in the principles of war.

I don't need a lesson from from some wacko behind a monitor.

[mod mom]

35. "a cause in which he believes so much he's willing to suffer publicly" HE SOLD OUT FOREIGN ELECTIONS

FGS! This is what he believes in?

[Fredda Weinberg]

36. Should we start w/the all caps? How do you turn a hit job into a civil

discourse on ideology?

Of course Clinton believes in his causes ... so do you, but he's out there, facing the public ... and you're an anonymous critic. So, how to address you w/o the contempt you've earned?

[mod mom]

58. Did you bother to read the NYT article I posted-obviously not:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip

snip

"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.h...

THE MAN WAS WILLING TO SELL OUT FOREIGN ELECTIONS FOR BIG BUCKS!

[Fredda Weinberg]

60. I've seen this report before ... always stop at "Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation"

and think ... so, this is the reward for public service?

No, the Big Dog is not responsible for Eastern Europe or their enduring problems. We have enough trouble w/our own elections.

[mod mom]

61. but he is willing to back a NOTED OPPRESSIVE TYRANT to head a election oversight organization.

Stick your head in the sand just like the bu$hbots did. Thanks to the internet, many folks have researched for themselves and decided strongly againt the corporatist/special interest backing members of the DLC (headed by the truth challenged Clintons) hence the Obama backing of Kos, HuffPo, most of DU, Move-on, PDA, the Nation, Keith Olberman, Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz, Sam Seder and many others who refuse to have the wool pulled over their eyes.

[Fredda Weinberg]

66. Yeah and when you all believed Bev Harris ... I was out of here. Not this time

I was posting on Usenet newsgroups when the Big Dog was first running ... dealing w/punks peddling shit about Mena Airport. Not much different from you, except they worked at those corporations - Xerox, IBM, AT&T ... I was setting up Freenets at the time.

So I'll take your report w/a grain of salt. Keep up researching and one day, you too may develop independent thought and judgment.

[mod mom]

67. NYT endorsed HRC so why do you think they made up the Mining article? I don't recall

Bill denouncing it-in fact don't you think it's suspicious that they are withholding their tax returns? That HRC papers were HEAVILY REDACTED (although we've been told she did NOT hold security clearance)? Don't you find it suspect that she is trying to weasel her way out of her grand embellishments (I'm being nice WaPo gave her 4 Pinochios-their highest mark for not telling the truth) on NAFTA, Bosnia and the Irish Peace Process?



If you don't believe that Bev Harris was correct about the voting machines, perhaps you might care to read the GAO Report on Electronic Voting Machines:

Nothing is more important to the integrity of a democracy than than fair and transparent elections. The GAO recently released a 107 page scathing report on Electronic Voting Machines in our country. The report states that Electronic Voting Machines in the U.S. are NOT SECURE, NOT ACCOUNTABLE, NOT TRANSPARENT, NOT ACCURATE, AND ARE UN CERTIFIABLE. A bipartisan panel which included both Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) released a joint news release (a true rarity in these days of divisive politics) regarding his report, yet the main stream media has ignored it's important findings. Here is a link to the GAO Report:

http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d05956high.pdf



EVEREST Voting System Review

STUDY: VOTING SYSTEMS VULNERABLE

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Ohio’s electronic voting systems have “critical security failures” which could impact the integrity of elections in the Buckeye State, according to a review of the systems commissioned by Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

“The results underscore the need for a fundamental change in the structure of Ohio’s election system to ensure ballot and voting system security while still making voting convenient and accessible to all Ohio voters, “ Secretary Brunner said Friday in unveiling the report.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/info/everest.aspx



OF COURSE IT'S MUCH EASIER TO DISMISS ALL BY INVOKING THE NAME OF AN UNPOPULAR PERSON AT DU




"I was setting up Freenets at the time." lol-your obvious lack of curiosity (spend some time and do your own research FGS) suggests a true follower, whatever the powers that be want to dish out.

TRY THINKING-IT'S PATRIOTIC!

[Fredda Weinberg]

70. You're defending Bev Harris ... still? Remarkable ... a new low for DU

But I never accused the NYT of anything, so u continue in her tradition. Yup, you do her proud.

But the Big Dog's office in Harlem has been nothing but positive since it opened. That's a plain fact.

[mod mom]

71. Bev had nothing to do w the GAO REPORT ON E-VOTING MACHINES NOR THE EVEREST REPORT

but as usual you ignore the facts and prefer to slander someone that had no part in the SCIENTIFIC REPORTS I linked to.

You say you never accused the NYT of anything yet you disputed the Clinton Mining article I linked to which clearly said BILL WAS WILLING TO BACK A NOTED OPPRESSIVE TYRANT (KAZAKH PRESIDENT) TO HEAD AN INTERNATIONAL ELECTIONS ORGANIZATION.

Try to cite facts rather than bs: "I've seen this report before ... always stop at "Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation"

and think ... so, this is the reward for public service? "

IT'S OK TO SCREW OTHER COUNTRY'S ELECTIONS SINCE IT'S BILL'S REWARD-PATHETIC!

[Fredda Weinberg]

72. I disputed nothing. You can paste, but apparently not comprehend

In the waning days of WW II, my father was "liberated" by the Russian advance. So I grew up with a different perspective of eastern europe than yours. I'm not trying to convince you and you sure as heck won't get a rise out of me. The whole idea of democracy and elections has become a bitter joke around DU ... Ms Harris is the reason and I'm proud to have confronted her.

So takes off your caps lock, child. I'm not moved by your mindless passion and emphatic vitriol. Facts? I repeat: the Big Dog's Harlem office is a source of pride for all of us. Your principles may be sound, but fall flat in their application. This is judgment, which you apparently lack.

[karynnj]

64. Clinton is giving us "his honesty"?

There are some virtues I would gladly agree Bill Clinton has - honesty is NOT his strong suit. What is the cause - electing his wife?

Reasonably honest is NOT either Clinton or McCain.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

53. when I see the words ""Kazakhstan" and "Bill Clinton" in the same sentence...

I get a visual of Bill in a "mankini".

Can anyone create a graphic of Bill in one of these:

[mod mom]

62. Please don't!!

;)

[BumRushDaShow]

5. Thanks for your report!

The one distinct thing that I have noted about Bill and Hillary is that Bill is definitely a "people person". He's a natural and it comes easy to him. Alternately, Hillary is a "technocrat", focused on the message of the moment and often bogged down in technicalities of the delivery.

Ironically Sen. Clinton accuses Obama of using to the fullest extent, the very affable traits that her husband utilizes. On the campaign trail, it's obvious that people respond to "people persons". Even watching some of the blips of McCain on the trail, he seems abnormally stiff and doesn't invoke much excitement at all, although it's apparent that he doesn't seem to care about the delivery at this stage in his life. Contrast that with a previous elder campaigner - Reagan - who again, was considered a "people person" and could exude "youth" and establish iconic status among his followers - even to this day.

There's a pattern there... and although dramatically superficial to many of us posting here, it seems that this quality of being a "people person" is something that the public apparently responds the most to.

[tekisui]

7. Yes. Getting the people to resond, to act, to get involved

is what first caused me to take notice of Obama. I realized he could bring people into the process that had never given it a thought before.

[UALRBSofL]

13. tekisui I understand inspirational speech's however

I also look for substance. Now, you say my candidate is full of substance and it's the best direction to follow. However, look at the candidates issues covering the past year. How do they compare. Have they changed, or, flip-flopped on the issues over the past year. Does the candidates have an immediate plan for critical issues that need dealing with "today" like the foreclosure problem or is it a long term fix that wont help the average american in the short term? I love listening to people whom I call "inspirational speakers". However, I also do my homework and look at the issues they represent.

[tekisui]

15. Both our candidates have great substance.

I have done my homework, as well. And I am comfortable with either taking on the immediate problems, and the long term issues. Obama is more than an inspirational speaker, and Hillary is more than a policy wonk.

Determining who do vote for is based many measures. Obama meets more of them than Sen. Clinton.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. The problem though is that apparently most people

don't have the patience or interest to delve deeply into "substance". A certain percentage do - particularly those here who post on a political forum... But the vast majority have been so conditioned into consuming "sound bite" information, tabloid reporting, and shock and awe advertising, that the campaigner needs to connect first and then sock them with the most digestable amounts of substance that they think the audience can handle. Too much or too detailed and technical, and you'll lose them because they don't care how you get the job done as long as they have a reasonable expectation that you CAN get the job done and they'll leave it up to you to figure out the whys and wherefores. They also don't realize that they have the power "to do" themselves, and if you can convince them of this, it makes the candidate's job much easier.

[UALRBSofL]

23. You are so right about that

Before I had all this free time to research the candidates I was one of those people you described.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. Me too...

There are times in one's life where you just can't set aside the time. You are often too busy taking care of the needs of others. :)

[Adelante]

8. I'm glad you went, too

I've always enjoyed his speeches. He does have a special talent connecting with an audience.

[tekisui]

9. I will post pictures in the next day or two.

I borrowed a digital camera, but not the connection cord.

[Arkansas Granny]

10. I appreciate your post and I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort to

listen to both side of the debate in choosing which candidate to support.

[DemVet]

16. Yeah, and we all know a candidates speaking ability, not the issues, is the important thing.

"Yes we can" "Hope" "Dream"

Alot of people fall for the cheap, shiny objects.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. You are this close >< to landing on my ignore.

There is some good discourse going on here between supporters of both candidates and your comments are tending towards starting a flame fest.

[DemVet]

30. Said something you didn't like?

Truth hurts, huh?

Obama is all talk, no experience. Sorry that's a fact.

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Your immature discourse is exactly the type of thing people are complaining about on this forum. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

20. Thrilling, isn't it?

I saw the Big Dog a year and a half ago at a campaign event for Kirsten Gillibrand in Glens Falls, NY & even got to shake his hand! Unfortunately, my memory card ran out right before that, so I didn't get the pic of the hand shake :(, BUT I did get some close shots of him:

[spooky3]

29. nice photos! That must have been fun.

[spooky3]

21. Thx for your report. Nothing inspires me like competence.

He was a flawed but excellent, competent President. What a contrast to the incompetent and corrupt squatters now in the White House.

[tekisui]

27. It was refreshing to hear a President who could speak the English language.

[spooky3]

28. if that weren't such a sad indicator of what we've sunk to, it would be funny!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I'm Glad You Had The Opportunity

I'm sorry your thread has turned into a flame fest...

BTW, North Carolina is a beautiful state... If I ever left Central Florida it would be for Charlotte...

[tekisui]

50. What doesn't turn into a flamefest?

Charlotte's nice, but I love the mountains!

[Kukesa]

63. Thanks for the post, tekisui,

and I like the Highlands area the best -- Franklin is where I visit each summer.

Lovely state; lovely post.


:thumbsup:

[ORDem]

32. He didn't inspire you with his praise of McCain?? That would've made me puke. n/t

[democrattotheend]

34. I'm glad you came to that conclusion

I'm glad you did not change your support for Obama, but decided you will vote for Clinton in the general if she gets the nomination. Best possible outcome, IMO.

That's a really good point you make about him not asking much of you. I think that's one of the big differences between Hillary (and Bill by proxy) and Obama. Hillary is essentially saying "elect me and I will fight for you. I have solutions for your problems." Obama is saying that electing him is just the first step, and that we're not off the hook after he gets elected, because he needs us to keep fighting for change and engage in citizen activism when he is president. Despite all the charges that Obama is making empty promises, I actually find his rhetoric more honest, because he is saying that it's going to be tough and that electing him alone is not enough.

[OzarkDem]

37. Hillary is at least as good as Bill

and in some ways may be even better. And I'm sure that's what he told you last night.

Hope Big Dog takes care of himself, he shouldn't wear himself out.

Thanks for the report

[tekisui]

51. Yeah, he said HIllary would be a better President than he.

Several times, and he sounded like he believed it.

[Larkspur]

40. I watched Bill's 1988 Dem convention speech

He was long winded, went over his time limit and was boring. Some on the floor booed him when he kept going over the time limit.

[dugggy]

45. With Bill as White House resident, I would even vote for

Chelsea as president. The 8 years of Bill Clinton were
very good for America. Stock Market boomed, millions of
new jobs created, no wars.

It is really stupid of democrats to reject a proven formula
and fall for the empty platitudes of the greenhorn Mr. Obama.

[blm]

47. That's what he says NOW - but from 2001-2006 he SUPPORTED Bush on major issues

and defended the Sonuvvabitch throughout his 2004 book tour.

Clinton didn't CARE that Bush was a fucking up the country and the world as long as Clintons had 2008 open for her run.

Whatever he says is HORSESHIT he's spewing to save SOME reputation in the party - he's REHABBING himself.

Maybe he wouldn't HAVE TO if he hadn't spent so many years working to rehab GHWBush, his cronies and the powerful elite as he kept the Global Fascist Agenda going forward.

[Cha]

49. I think he's lying in

the moment and there's no way hilary can "win" the general..that's been established.

[sandnsea]

52. She was out of money???

Okay, so he stood there and lied to you about how much Hillary is hated in those February states, which is what really caused her to lose. He didn't tell you how much money she spent BEFORE Feb 5 and that Obama had less money than her and still managed to have money to spend in Feb.

And you still have something good to say about him?

I just don't get it.

[tekisui]

54. I had something good to say.

Not all good. I mentioned the issues I had.

[greguganus]

68. Did he hit on you?

"Hey there cutie...wanna meet me at the Grove Park Inn for some mountain madness?"

[anonymous171]

73. If anything the Clintons' have the messianic cult following.

"Just vote for Clinton and all your problems will be solved. You don't have to do a thing, just let us handle everything."