Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Kerry Misfires In Economic Blame Game

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:32 PM
Original message
Kerry Misfires In Economic Blame Game

Kerry Misfires In Economic Blame Game
By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, June 16, 2004; Page E01

FROM: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44946-2004Jun15.html
The critical issue of the presidential campaign is not jobs, or the deficit, or even the war in Iraq. The issue is credibility: which candidate can lead the country by telling the truth about where we are and where we need to go. And in that context, the efforts of John Kerry's team to portray the economy as being in terrible shape, and President Bush as being the Herbert Hoover of his era, are badly misguided.

First, it's simply not true.

The president inherited an economy that was already in a recession that, in the experience of most households, businesses and governments, lasted until the early months of 2003. This recession came after an unusually long expansion characterized, at its end, by a giant investment bubble that burst. It was only natural that such a downturn would require a longer-than-usual period of painful adjustment.

Instead of acknowledging those realities, the constant refrain from the Kerry camp has been that Bush has "presided over" the loss of 1.9 million jobs, creating the "weakest recovery" since the Great Depression. Most of this is simply economic nonsense.

<SNIP>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
1. um, didn't the recession start after Bush took office?
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 02:33 PM by Cush
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
markdd Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. By official standards yes...
But the bushies are trying to pretend that the start date was March 2000. The group that catalogs this info (can't recall name) was claiming the recession started March 2001 and ended (get this) Nov 2001.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. dot com burst was March 2000...nasdaq down 59% from its highs..
by 2001.

the OFFICIAL recession didn't hit until march 01 though...I think it would have happened regardless of who was in office..considering bush didnt get any legislation or budget passed for several months afterwards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. Some very good advice here:
(snip)
This is, after all, a president who has made no progress in ensuring the long-term solvency of Medicare or Social Security. He has no credible plan to rein in health care costs or the budget deficit, both of which threaten long-term economic growth. His tax cuts contribute to the widening gap between rich and poor. In trade policy, Bush has allowed China to become the next Japan while sacrificing the interests of manufacturing and service workers to protect farm subsidies.

Most of all, the Bush economic program is based on the big lie that endless tax cuts are necessary to sustain economic growth. But the way to beat the big lie is with the "true facts," as my late colleague Peter Milius used to call them -- not another big lie about how bad the economy is.
(snip)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:32 PM
Response to Original message
5. I Think the Definition of a Recession
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 03:36 PM by ribofunk
is two consecutive quarters of negative growth. The result of this is that by the time a recession can officially be declared, you have to go back six months (plus the reporting delay) to find the start of the recession. By this definition, the recession started in 2000, although it wasn't declared until Bush was in office.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. 2 definitions-WSJ uses 2 qtr's, Gov uses Committee that looks at daily #'s
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 04:36 PM by papau
The committe approach that tries to pick the exact date said it was in March - but it may have been Feb - at which point the GOP tried to get them to say the recession started in Dec - but they have not said that.

So Recession started by standard Gov economic data analysis method in March 01 and ended in 11 01

This guy is mistaken - and then claims Kerry lacks credibility because Kerry speaks the truth.

Why do folks believe columist Steven Pearlstein?

First he covers his tracks by saying the economy was in recession and "in the experience of most households, businesses and governments, lasted until the early months of 2003"

He has no basis for either statement - and on this he says Kerry is not credible.

The only income gain under Bush - if it exists at all - he is forced to admit has been caused by the pretend income that comes from the employer paying part of the higher and rising cost of health care! This is something that makes us feel good???

And again he does the old average game where "WE ARE DOING WELL" because the RICH ARE DOING SO WELL that when averaged with the rest of us, the actual overall average goes up a bit!

Then he claims falling prices for food, clothing, airfare or phone service, or lower monthly payments for homes and cars - has anybody seen those falling prices?

He pretends to be on the workers side by complaining about Bush making no progress in ensuring the long-term solvency of Medicare or Social Security - Is the solvency progress he wants just ending the programs?

:-)

The only thing he gets correct is that "Bush economic program is based on the big lie that endless tax cuts are necessary to sustain economic growth"

He is not a right wing hack - but he is wrong about Kerry being wrong.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Nice try. It was declared in Nov 2001 as having bagun in March 2001
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 05:29 PM by robbedvoter
BFEE has been trying to play with the year # eversince.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lefty Pragmatist Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:14 PM
Response to Original message
7. Crediting or blaming the prez for the economic cycle is always wrong
but it's part of the game. Bush is now taking credit for the growth rate, increased home sales, and the modest increase in consumer confidence, none of which are reasonably credited to him. So Kerry may as well blast him for the bust -- last time I checked, 51% of the electorate didn't have PhDs in economics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
8. For most people the pain started when Bush took office.
That's all they know, and all they need to know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC