News just said Kerry and Edwards don't like one another

[Quixote1818]

The Air America news just said that they don't think Kerry will pick Edwards because of animosity from the campaign. They are predicting a Washington outsider and mentioned Richardson, Clark and someone else.

[neuvocat]

1. I've heard it a while ago on CNN

so its probably a lie.

[madaboutharry]

13. I have a relative deep inside Kerry's inner circle and

it is the case that they don't care for each other. But, don't count him out.

[Manix]

2. ...liking each other isn't always a prerequisite....ie..Kennedy/Johnson.

[Quixote1818]

6. Good Point but I think Kerry will want to pick someone he likes

[Kahuna]

16. You got that right. Most VPs are chose for expediency. Not friendship.

nt

[zbdent]

19. Reagan/Bush41

right?

[olddem43]

3. I don't believe this

How could anyone not like Edwards personally? He probably has the most pleasant personality of anyone in the current race. I rate him as the favorite for VP.

[cosmokramer]

11. I don't like him. And sorry, but the most pleasant personality of

all the former candidates is Gephardt. He is the nicest candidate I have ever met.

[surfermaw]

52. Could it be this is a wish of some other VP hopefulls fans?

I have see a stragety working betweeen Kerry and Edwards from the early days of the primary debates..Like father and son.

[cosmokramer]

56. What?

Like father and son...puhleeeeeeze! :rolleyes:

Last thing we need is a F & S strategy...

[Nicholas_J]

59. Yes, and it is well known in Washington

that Gephardt is also one of the most liked people in the Senate (which sort of explains the very large bundle of the membes of the House who endorsed him on one day. 54 I think). He is one of the most well liked and respected people in Washington.

[progressivebydesign]

65. Odd.. but you're right about Gephardt.

I was truly disappointed in his behavior against Howard Dean, because I met Dick Gephardt a few years back, and thought he was very geniune, just a very nice man. He speaks very well, but I think he'd be a poor choice for VP... Kerry needs someone to energize the ticket.. Clark could be interesting...

[Kahuna]

17. You know what? All "pleasant" people are not nice people..

Those are two totally different things. I'm not saying that Edwards isn't nice. I don't that much about him. The only thing I know about him is that he was a personal attorney injury lawyer who got rich while never ever doing a case pro bono. The minute I learned that Edwards never did a pro bono case it made me a little wary of him.

[TexasBushwhacker]

23. In a way, PI attorneys are all pro bono

PI attorneys take cases on contingency and if they lose, they don't get anything. Unless he had 100% wins, he sometimes represented people and didn't get paid, not even for expenses.

[PurityOfEssence]

38. Why can you forgive Clark, but not Edwards?

Edwards, by his own admission, had an epiphany in mid-life and realized it was time to pay something back to society. He shies away from discussing Wade's death, but this was a big factor in it.

Since his entry into politics, he has a fabulous record of fighting corporations, the tax code, and championing the weak and disenfranchised. He's said that he saw the error of his ways, and he's got a solid record to substantiate this. Even as a trial lawyer, he didn't take the cases of opportunists, he took legitimate cases to redress grievances against unscrupulous corporations. The right has tried endlessly to pick these apart and has failed resoundingly.

He also proposes having peer review within the legal profession to weed out frivolous lawsuits and stem the tide of tort reform that would screw us all.

You forgive Clark for voting for Reagan and Nixon and for praising the Bush Administration well after they'd shown their true stripes. I don't think Clark's some kind of stealth nazi, but he's definitely not as harsh on corporations as Edwards, and more than anything, we have no voting record for him.

Edwards was instrumental in Campaign Finance Reform, was tireless in trying to stop Ashcroft's confirmation, was instrumental in putting the sunset clause in the Patriot Act and has been pretty damned engaged. He was also vigorous in his fight against the Bush Tax Cuts, and voted against them, which was troublesome to his constituents. (Yes, he voted for one bill in '02 that gave business tax credits to businesses in the wake of 9-11, but that bill was small in comparison, and its primary appeal to Democrats was the extension of unemployment benefits.)

I'm a real bigot on the subject of ever having voted for Reagan or Nixon; these were nefarious scoundrels who were amply advertised as such. At least Clark has explained some of what he understands of the true nature of the Republican Party, and I'm willing to take his word on it and accept his conversion. Why can't you believe that a poor kid from nowhere who struck it rich and was on an extraordinary ride of riches had a thunderclap of realization and threw away massive money to do what he felt was right? What's hard to believe about this? More importantly, why does one get a free pass, while the other deserves no succor?

[cidliz2004]

68. Edwards epiphany doesn't "qualify" him for the V.P. spot

Voting for Reagan and speaking well of Bush's (actually Clinton's Army) for their performance in "Iraqi Freedom" for the "active part of the war" was an honest assessment of the Army's performance, not Bush's. As far as voting for Reagan.....Wes Clark shows INDEPENDENCE - something that we are trying to attract in the type of voters that will vote for us in November. I don't think that you are so hyppocritical that you would want Independents to vote for our candidate, but you would reject a Democrat for "once or twice" voting independently.

As far as forgiving....Forgiving what????? Edwards has no real experience in Government, what 6 years (not even finished with a 6 year term so what does it come down to? 4 - 5 years), which 1 or more has been spent on campaigning. Wes Clark has worked in many aspects of Government for the last 35+ years. Forgiving - No- It is EXPERIENCE plain and simple.

Edwards works in the Government for 4-5 years and determines that he has enough experience to be the #2 man in the White House?????? That, to me, says ARROGANCE AND OVERBLOWN EGO. If you really want to "serve the country" you don't have to do it as the #1 or #2 man in the White House, Wes Clark has shown that much, he served the country for 35+ years before he contemplated the run for the White House.

[newyawker99]

71. Hi cidliz2004!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Scoopie]

37. How would you know?

Seriously, all you've seen of him is what he wants you to see.
None of you who call him a "good campaigner" can argue that he's slick and polished, but that's just his public persona. Maybe, in person, he's like I envision him to be - a little bit self-centered and certainly less than "with it" on global issues.
I don't think that I would like him very much.

That said, I've met Clark a gazillion times: he practically lived in Tennessee during his campaign. LOL. I do like him. He's smart and sharp and funny. Someone I would both like to drink a beer with AND discuss foreign policy, the economy or whatever. HOWEVER, I haven't spent hours upon hours with the man, so I don't know him THAT well.

We all can only judge by either what we see on TV or what little time we've spent talking to them. Who knows, they may all be shits or they may all be the best.
:shrug:

[cosmokramer]

46. Hit the nail on the head, Scoop

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. I don't like him.

He strikes me as FAKE. Pretty hair....nice smile....good stump speech.....2 Americas :eyes:.....YAWN! :boring: Personally, I can't stand the man.

[Doosh]

4. also heard this

From what I saw, when it was down to Kerry/Edwards in the primaries, the debate was very civil, didn't seem to me that there was any animosity.

[seventhson]

5. Kerry might do anything to lose

other than pick someone who can help him win.

I wish I trusted him

[sadiesworld]

7. But, but...Fox says Edwards is a shoe-in!?!

:think:

[LandOLincoln]

48. Please forgive me, but the editor in me has had all she can take:

it's "shoo-in," not "shoe-in."

Trust me. :-)

[leyton]

60. Try not to loose your cool...

:P

[cosmokramer]

8. Been telling people this for a long time, but no one wants...

...to listen.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html

"Kerry has privately expressed concerns about whether Edwards meets this presidential threshold, the sources said. After the primaries, Kerry remarked to aides, 'What makes him think he can be president?' Around that time, Kerry told aides that if he had lost the nomination, he would have endorsed Gephardt, who he described as ready-made for the job."

[wjsander]

9. I've heard they were cold to each other during the primaries...

... but since then they've warmed up to each other a lot. I guess raising a crap-load of money will do that for people. :)

[cosmokramer]

10. Funny, cause both Dean and Clark have raised a helluva lot

more than Edwards. Kerry is a friend to anyone who raises money, but it doesn't mean he wants to spend four years in close quarters with them.

[chimpymustgo]

14. Got link? Edwards had his donors meet with Kerry.

Between the donors and Edwards' fundraising appearances - he's raised quite a bit of cash. I don't have any firm numbers - please share yours.

[cosmokramer]

20. Both Clark and Dean have had their

fundraising organizations meet with Kerry, and both have done several, several high dolllar fundraisers. However, Clark has done the MOST fundraisers for Kerry. Just in my tiny little Ohio town, the Clark group did $100,000.00 in 15 days--which beats the $43,000.00 all local democrats raised for Bill Clinton in six months, and is the MOST amount raised in this tiny town for any politician from either party--ever--all by former Clark supporters.

Firm numbers? No one has firm numbers for any of the specific affiliated candidates at all of their specific events, but Clark and Dean have appeared at more fundraisers and have raised more cash than any other former candidate groups. Clark was the first candidate to turn over his fundraising list to Kerry, and it is undeniable the value Clark supporters added to Kerry's campaign with our instant fundraising abilities and the tremendous ground organizations. Both Clark and Dean smoked all other candidates in fundraising, and they continue to do so.

Christ, Clark was in the race for four and a half months and raised more money than Edwards did in three years, and was within reach of outraising Dean.

I guess you could say that the biggest difference is not only the dollars raised (which I can guarantee are greater with both Clark and Dean than they are Edwards if for any other reason than sheer volume of supporters), but that neither Clark or Dean are trying to use fundraising (or having their fundraisers pressure) to make them a VP. They do it because they CARE about electing a democrat, period. Not the same can be said...

[wjsander]

21. Last week Edwards raised $150,000 in ONE day

And in a heavily republican part of Florida.

Here's the link:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-06-12-edwards-fundraiser_x.htm

Now where's the one you have proving Clark has raised more than Edwards?

[cosmokramer]

25. Excuse me?

Clark raised $2 MILLION DOLLARS in TWO HOURS at a NY fundraiser for Kerry last month!

Gimme a friggin' break! $150,000 in one day, WITH A PERSONAL APPEARANCE, at a fairly large town in Florida? BIG FUCKING DEAL! My Clark group raised $100,000.00 in a tiny Ohio town with NO APPEARANCE by Clark or anyone else. Christ, Clark supporters can raise significant dollars without an appearance! CLARK HIMSELF has done dozens of fundraising events for Kerry, including one in Washington DC Thursday night (after he and Kerry met privately, wink, wink), and has many more scheduled. Between Wes Clark himself, and the Clark people working their contacts at the Generals request that we do so, we are smokin' Edwards in fundraising--guaranteed. And we aren't 'demanding' that he be made VP before we comply.

Here is AT LEAST one mention of all of the Clark fundraising:

"Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, for instance, has been raising money and calling reporters to advocate for Kerry. Last week, Clark, a potential vice president thanks to his southern roots and military experience, accompanied Kerry back to Washington." (snip)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31699-2004May16.html

So your ridiculous argument that somehow JE and JK are now 'friends' because of JE's helping in fundraising is simply insane. If dollars were the measure of friendship, Clark and Dean would be shooting it out with each other to be his right hand man.

[venus]

31. Ease down Clarkie.

Actually I think Kerry and Edwards do like each other. It was evident to me during the debates.

[cosmokramer]

32. That wasn't the point of the argument at all..

...the point the original poster was trying to make is that they are somehow now 'friends' because of fundraising, which is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard.

[LandOLincoln]

49. That's not what I saw. I remember very clearly the last debate (I

think it was) where the candidates (down to Kerry, Edwards, Kooch & Sharpton IIRC) were seated on one side of a large table and the press on the other side.

Kerry and Edwards were side by side, and at one point--I remember this very clearly because I like Edwards and I was embarrassed for him--he put his hand on Kerry's arm in what struck me as a supplicative, almost feminine gesture.

And Kerry looked disgusted, as though he could barely restrain himself from pulling his arm away.

And I wasn't the only one who noticed that, because within a day or two the Kerry camp was in full spin control mode, assuring us all that the two Senators get along just peachy, and Theresa and Elizabeth are especially close, yadda yadda.

Rot. I know what I saw.

[cosmokramer]

64. I saw it too...

...and it perfectly gels with all the other evidence to support JK's 'distaste' for JE.

[wjsander]

22. Also, as far as raising money in the primaries...

Edwards beat Clark again... $29 million to $25 million.

Here's the link:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/fec/primary/total.raise.html

Where do you get your info from? Fox News? :P

But Clark does beat Edwards in one thing... Debt. Which he still owes $3.5 million to creditors.

[cosmokramer]

28. Where do you get your news? The Disney Channel...

...because your post, my friend, is pure fucking FANTASY, not to mention,WRONG.



Clark withdrew from the race on February 11, 2004.
Total Receipts: $29,339,471
Total Spent: $28,497,530
Cash on Hand: $841,941
Debts: $740,534
Date of last report: April 30, 2004

First, Clark DID raise more money than Edwards--you are giving Edwards credit for a FULL MONTH of fundraising AFTER Clark, and everyone BUT Kerry, dropped out of the race. Hell, I already gave Edwards credit for all the time BEFORE Clark even entered the race and began raising funds, and the nearly one million dollars he borrowed from his Senate coffers. What a crying shame that in four months, by the time he left the race, a General who never ran for office before outraised a Senator!

[Darkamber]

26. I can't believe you are even arguing this...

EVERYONE>>>Clark, Edwards, Dean and all the Democrats are raising money for Kerry. Edwards is raising money for other Democrats in races in the House and Senate too. He helped my Senator Patty Murray and we just got hit with a killer Bush/McCain combo in this state aimed against Patty and our Governor race.

If you want a few figures to give you something to go on...here's an article...

By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Wealthy and well-connected lawyers who fueled John Edwards' upstart White House bid have given at least $7 million to John Kerry since he secured the Democratic nomination, an important show of support for Edwards as Kerry weighs running mates.

Of the roughly $74 million Kerry raised in March and April, close to $1 in every $10 came from attorneys, Kerry's most recent campaign finance reports show.

Among those shifting their efforts from North Carolina Sen. Edwards to Massachusetts Sen. Kerry is Fred Baron, a Dallas-based trial lawyer who plans to raise millions for Kerry Victory '04, a joint effort of Kerry's campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

Full article...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040617/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_edwards_1

And As an Edwards supporter, I give to Kerry because I want to get Bush out of the White House and I will give to him even if Clark is VP. Edwards is also doing fund raising for other Senate and House races. He recently sent a letter out to his supporter for Barbara Boxer running in the Senate..

But...I don't believe you are using that as a reason...they are all good fundraisers. Period...

[olddem43]

27. Hey this discussion isn't about who raises the most money!

Did we get a Republican virus or something? I thought we were discussing who would be the next VP. Hell, I would contribute to a yellow dog if it got the current administration out.

[cosmokramer]

30. wjsander is arguing that ...

...because Edwards is raising money for Kerry that they are fast friends, which is ridiculous!

[wjsander]

33. I said they "warmed up" to each other...

You make it sound like I said they were fucking getting married! Can ANYONE say something nice about Edwards without you getting on their ass? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

And I post sources for my "propaganda". Yours seem to come out of thin air.

Take a breather, dude. I think Clark would be a fine VP. Just count to 10 before posting try to look at things from a different perspective.

[cosmokramer]

34. Yes, there is a source for my facts...

...and it isn't CNN...it is the FEC.

[wjsander]

35. link?

[cosmokramer]

36. Here

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/summary.asp?ID=N00026187

[wjsander]

39. Thanks!

See? If you had just done that in the first place, we could have avoided this mess. :)

Although, I still can't find ANYTHING about that fundraiser in New York or the results of the fundraiser in Washington. No biggie.

[cosmokramer]

40. FEC 'accounting style' link

Here is the FEC link (same figures as OpenSecrets--except reported in a more accouting like way and can be separated by months) to Edwards' page, in case your interested, for the month of February where he raised $6 million in February (after Clark dropped out). There is another for March where he raised $6.9 million in the partial month in which he competed). So Clark did raise more than Edwards before he left the race, just as a matter of point with no venom whatsoever. :-)

http://herndon2.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00384073/121368/#SUMMARY

http://herndon2.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00384073/122150/

http://herndon2.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/

On a different note, I find is absolute incredible that Kerry has raised as much money as he has to date, and even more incredible that he was able to finance his way to Iowa--amazing, really. He had no money!

And so goes the pundits theory that money changes everything...

Truce?

[wjsander]

42. Sounds good.

Oooh, I like links. :)

Yeah, Kerry is raising money at an incredible rate. I think it shows the power of all of us dems and independants who are plain sick and tired of this administration and know what's riding on this election.

A truce it is!

.. until either Clark or Edwards gets the nod... then there's room for a little "haha" time. :9

Time to take back 1600!

[cosmokramer]

43. And if it's Geppy?

Who I am not opposed to, but damn, he is so, so, well, 'vanilla'.

Lots of folk argue that democrats will be pissed and not vote if it isn't one particular VP candidate or another--and on this I think we can agree: bullshit.

Democrats are going to go out and vote for democrats--they ain't staying home and giving GWB another four years. Kerry/BellyButtonLint ticket would draw dems to the polls, and turnout would be huge. The amount of money Kerry has raised is a testament to that fact. We are typcially not a well funded, wealthy party. But we are giving boatloads of cash to a man many of us hardly know just to make sure our chances of beating Bush are solid. The only real requirement to draw democrats to the poll is a Dem VP (I am opposed to a split party ticket). The quandry, of course, is drawing indies and mods to our side--and we all have arguments for that.

[wjsander]

44. Dude, if it's Geppy...

I've already stated I'll probably be packing my bags come November because Canada will look a lot sweeter knowing Bush will be running things for 4 more years. :cry:

But I am willing to listen to him and give him another chance. If Kerry can win with Gep, then great. It just scares me because I don't see as many people voting FOR Kerry/Gep as AGAINST Bush/Cheney.

[cosmokramer]

45. As long as they are voting against Bush and Dick...

...I'm okay.

I have met Gephardt several times, most recently in March while he was stumping in Ohio for Kerry. Surprisingly, he was AMAZING to see in person. He had a real fire in his belly and the crowd went nuts for him (it was a labor crowd though). Ideally, I think he has to be Labor Secy--he was born for it, and labor worships him.

You know, Gep doesn't often make mistakes, he is a solid speaker, and a really generally 'great' guy--not to mention a terrific debator (on points)--but the TV image is very vanilla and bland, and he would definitely not be the best choice. In fact, I don't think it should be a Senator or Congressman at all (and since we have truced, I won't go any further). If Kerry is compelled to appoint Gep, I can live with it without much effort (after, of course, a brief cooling off period wherein I scream at the top of my lungs and toss the remote control out the window...)

[LandOLincoln]

50. Duuude, Cosmo's a woman.

Just so's you know... ;-)

[wjsander]

53. Oops, sorry

Just going by the username, I guess. :-(

But 'dude' is nowadays kinda a general term, right? :D

[cosmokramer]

57. Don't worry...I'm not offended.

:-)

[THUNDER HANDS]

12. I'm sure Clinton and Gore weren't buddy buddy all the time either

But they worked it out.

(I still think Max Cleland is the guy though)

[Kahuna]

15. I like Richardson. But he is not a Washington outsider.

nt

[DaveSZ]

18. Well, let's look at the most popular presidents in recent times:

Clinton and Reagan

Why were they so popular?

Is it because they went out of their way to help ordinary people/?

No.

They were rock stars personality wise.

[Padraig18]

24. Here's the 'disconnect':

The self-same media that does nothing but lie about candidate X is, however, absolutely truthful when it comes to decribing the interpersonal relationship between Kerry and Candidate Y.

Hellllllllllooooooooooooooo?

:wtf:

[olddem43]

29. exactly!

[spooky3]

51. Excellent point!

[liberalpragmatist]

41. The Get Along Fine

No, they're not the best of friends. No, they aren't extremely close. Yes, there was some tension during the primaries b/c they were running against each other (which is bound to cause some friction, what when someone's attacking someone else). But by most accounts, they get along fine. It's even warmer now that it was earlier. They don't hate each other. They don't even dislike each other. My guess is it's a perfectly friendly, cordial, business-like relationship.

However, Kerry does get along much better with Gephardt, who he's good friends with.

[PeaceProgProsp]

47. And if Kerry was going to feel tense about anyone, it was going

to be the only guy who had a chance of beating him.

And right now, he should be feeling pretty good about the one guy who can probably do the most for Kerry's chance of getting elected.

[cosmokramer]

69. I seriously doubt Kerry ever felt tense about...

...JE beating him. After New Hampshire, there was no question whatsoever that Kerry was going to be the nominee--he wasn't at all intimidated by Edwards.

And as for your 'opinion' that JE is the 'one guy who can probably do the most for Kerry's chance', it is just that--your opinion, and that's all.

Kerry will make up his own mind, and I doubt he wants to roll the dice with someone who has been trying his hardest to upstage him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. This wouldn't surprise me.

I don't like him either.

[Cuban_Liberal]

58. Bull feathers!

:eyes:

[TexasSissy]

61. I believe this. It was noticeable during nomination process.

Remember when microphone picked up Kerry saying, about Edwards, "He can't even win his own home state." He'd said something else right before that. I think it may have been, "What makes him think he can be President?"

I don't know if Edwards likes Kerry, but I don't think Kerry likes Edwards. Also, I don't think Kerry would want Edwards to steal his thunder on the stage...and Edwards is pretty charismatic on a stage.

I'd be delighted if the VP were Edwards. And it might be. But I don't think Kerry's going to go for either Edwards or Clark.

[wjsander]

62. Basically...

I think Kerry wants to win, no matter what. So if he is still "uncomfortable" about Edwards, but feels that Edwards is still the best chance he has at winning the election, he'll go with him. Kerry seems loyal to his buddies... but he's not dumb. The more polls that list Edwards above other canidates and the more support Edwards gets from his party, the more Kerry will realize he's the best choice. Time is on Edwards side.

[cosmokramer]

67. We called a truce...

...and I am not starting an argument with you, but you need to think about what you just said. Kerry isn't going to stand for anyone pushing him around, and the spin I am getting from my party officials is that Kerry is fed up with being 'pushed' by paid polling and PR firms. Edwards is trying to outshine Kerry, and it does not bode well for his future.

Polls are a very brief snapshot, and at this point only show name recognition--period. My guess is that Kerry is going to play out every single scenario he can think of that could happen between now and November, and choose the VP accordingly. For instance, what if there is another attack on US soil? Are mod reps and indies going to vote for Kerry, or will they vote for Bush?

"Sunshine" sells in times of peace, but it does not in a time of conflict. If people are afraid, they have to have a REASON to vote for Kerry/whomever--and placing the 'two americas' man on the ticket isn't a good reason to draw the security timid to our side.

So, I think Kerry is planning for the long term instead of the 'snapshot' polling term--and I honestly believe Edwards really isn't even a consideration (by no means does that mean I think Clark will get it, but I do believe it will be someone with a heck of a lot more experience in FP and matters of security than Edwards).

[wjsander]

70. Yeah, but...

It does seem that Kerry was considering McCain hardcore. That tells me he's thinking of doing whatever it takes to win. I don't think picking Edwards would be giving in to peer-pressure as much as giving him the best shot at being President of the United States of America.

I'm not so sure he's gonna pick Edwards, either. I just think Al Franken hit the nail on the head when he said it all comes down to Edwards or Non-Edwards.

[cosmokramer]

72. I don't think he was considering McCain very seriously at all...

...I think he was poking the White House in the eye by every mention of McCain--it really pisses off Cheney when McCain is mentioned along side the dems, and that may have been the intention.

Since I absolutely do not think Edwards gives him the best chance of winning, I have to totally disagree with you on sentence three. If he was courting McCain for real, then he he is thinking about foreign policy and pulling in the GOP to vote for Dems. If that is the case, I think it comes down to choosing a long-time congressperson, or a foreign policy expert. JE is neither, and I seriously doubt that serious consideration is being given at all...it just doesn't fit with Kerry's style, IMO.

[venus]

73. I believe Kerry did consider McCain. He never denied it.

This spin about pissing off the Bushies with it doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. McCain and Bush stuck it to Kerry,IMO, by appearing together right after the very public snub by McCain. What was Kerry thinking. Dems were publicly chided and made fun of because we had to consider a Repug. That's embarrassing to me, especially with all of the heavy weights we have.

[cosmokramer]

74. Oh, I agree that ...

...it is somewhat embarrassing to even think of a GOP'er for our ticket...we have dozens of people to choose from, which is partly why I think the idea of McCain was never really a true consideration. Hell, if not just to poke the administration in the eye, it may have just been a signal that Kerry is willing to work with Reps. Who knows? But I completely agree that it would be ridiculous to have a GOP VP on our ticket.

[DrFunkenstein]

63. Actually, They Were Very Chummy During The Primaries

It may have gotten a little tense at the end, but not a whole lot. They were also seen being buddy-buddy on the Senate floor. I don't put alot of weight into this.

Then againg, if Chris Heinz is stepping away from Edwards (for someone with stronger FP), perhaps there is something there (like wild speculation).

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

66. That makes three of us.

:evilgrin: