Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Kerry 242 Bush 269

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:40 PM
Original message
Kerry 242 Bush 269
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
1. What would happen?
Does the house pick then?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. If they tie 269/269 yes
The House would vote then.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
3. Um, who got the other 27 electoral votes?
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 04:44 PM by Massacure
Florida is white and not colored in. :shrug:

Btw, if the dems regained the house, would the current house vote, or would it be the new house?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bugslsu9 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. New House
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 04:48 PM by bugslsu9
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. the website says that Florda's latest poll is a tie
hence the missing 27 votes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bugslsu9 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:50 PM
Response to Original message
5. Florida is Meaningless
The reason it is white is because they are statistically tied. Unfortunately, the poll is flawed because it did have Ralph Nader in the trial heat. I tried to find the poll without Ralph, but to no avail. Personally, I think now that Nader is out, there is a 2-4 point edge for Kerry.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Here are the results
Without Nader, Kerry had 46 percent and Bush 44 percent, within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Voters were evenly split on having a favorable or unfavorable view of both Bush and Kerry, the poll found.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040629/ap_on_el_pr/florida_poll&cid=694&ncid=1963&sid=96378798
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:52 PM
Response to Original message
6. How many "Barely Kerry" & "Barely Bush" states are Diebolded?
It would make me feel a whole lot better if those 82 "Barely Bush" and 17 "Barely Kerry" states have a paper trail. Otherwise, we may be fucked.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 04:56 PM
Response to Original message
8. The polls makes no sense, why bother.
Penn a Bush state? not so fast.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 05:03 PM
Response to Original message
9. Problem with this count
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 05:09 PM by Nicholas_J
Is that they are basing a large number of state going to Bush base on a recent alnket of state polling by FOX NEWS which has polls giving BUsh a large lead in a number os states where evert other poll places either Kerry with a slight lead, or Kerry and Bush running neck and neck or stae were Kerry had clear leads like Michigan. I have been developing a by watching the polls that whenver states start looking too strongly in favor of Kerry, a conservative grou pays for a poll in that state in order to keep public opinion in those states from the appearance that the state is lost to Bush. State level polls are one of the strongest influences on the undecided, and if too many polls crop upshowing one person in the lead, the undecided are more likely to vote for the lead candidate than the person who is not leading (the old no one wants to back a certain loser effect). One of the tendancies of the undecided is that they are wishy washy (they have no strong political conviction one way or the other, so they are most often swayed by appearances and not platforms. 9 out of 10 of the recent polls that have turned states from leaning towards Kerry to slightly leaning to Bush have been done by Fox, so I am rather skeotical of this electoral vote count.

Thats exactly what happened with the Pennsylvania situation. The last poll was done by FOXm and their p
For Example DC's Political Report does the same thing, but more accurately decides the leaning of a state, not by considering the last poll, but by an average of the last few polls to determins who is really ahead, and who is trying to skew the polls. So in this poll the latest Electora college votes are as such:

Kerry lead in 14 states with 195 Electoral Votes

Bush Leads in 18 states for 168 Electoral Votes

12 States too close to call for 151 Electoral Votes

7 states with no polling date for 24 electoral votes:

http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/CurrentPolls.htm

Fox's political desires are clear to anyone who watches them and they were notorious for the efforts they made to sway the 200 election and were criticized for calling the election for Bush before the polls had closed, leading many people who would have voted late to call it a night.

If you compare Fox's National Polls to other pollsters, you will see a clear differencein Fox;s results compared to GAllop. ABC. CBS, Rassmussen. all of who have polls having Kerry and Bush running neck and neck:

• CBS/NYT: Bush 43, Kerry 42, Nader 5

• Rasmussen 6/28: Bush 45, Kerry 45

• FOX News: Bush 47, Kerry 40, Nader 3

• Gallup: Bush 48, Kerry 47, Nader 3

• ABC/WP: Kerry 48, Bush 44, Nader 6

If you check out the differnce between Fox and everyone else, you will note that Fox is the only pollster that has Bush winning by multiples ofthe MoE of its polls.

THey are trying to sway the opinion of the undecided. Hopefully this can be prevented.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC