We(undecided Dems) were outraged when we saw

[mitchtv]

a promo last night on Tv for Geo.Stefanopolus' Sunday morning show. It features Joe Lieberman saying why Howard Dean should not get the nomination. Not why he(Joe) should get it , but why Dean shouldn't. Who is responsible for this, the network? or Joe?This kind of shit is beyond the pale, Lieberman should be shunned for such campaigning.

[KaraokeKarlton]

1. Well, join us Dean supporters

That's the most effective way to send these assholes the message that you don't like their tactics.

[floridaguy]

8. Is this a logical reason to support Dean or an emotional one?

Let me see if I understand this post. Because you are outraged, when Joe Lieberman attacks Dean, people should support Dean.

What if voters use their intelligence and take Lieberman's attacks for what they are, balance them with other factors, and make an intelligent decision as to which candidate will beat George Bush?

Unless getting mad and voting for Dean, regardless of anything else, makes sense to you.

When they complete a rational way of approaching the decision, they are more than likely going to see Clark is the most electable Democrat. But if they did really think about it, and still decided they were with Dean, that would make sense, wouldn't it?

[TLM]

People who are pissed off at the attacks on Dean from desperate dems

should join with Dean. And they are, in droves. That's why Dean is winning.

When Dean attacks other dems it is for being too far right and too supportive of Bush.

When these other dems attack Dean it is for been too liberal or too against the war or against too many of Bush's policies that they support.

These dems like Lieberman and Kerry and Clark are attacking core democratic values and attacking the base of the party in order to pander to a sliver of swing voters. And it is backfiring on them big time... but as ususal these idiot can;t read the writing on the wall so they are keeping this crap up while Dean continues to gain support.

[Brian_Expat]

15. Hammer, nail, head.

All the attacks and lies about Dean's record and commitment are politics as usual -- the thing that led millions of people not to vote in the last election. Americans know lies and desperation when they see it, and they see it being employed with Dean. Thus, the supreme irony is that for every attack that strips off a little "traditional Dem" support for Dean, legions of new voters come in to support him and counter politics as usual.

This consternates the old-school pols to no end. :)

[Lefta Dissenter]

23. just wondering

how Clark has been attacking core democratic values and attacking the base of the party?

Maybe someone else asked it further down in the thread, I sort of got stopped by your post.

edited to say that I think that it's not right on CNN's part to constantly replay that sort of sound bite over and over again, however. (you did say CNN, right? I forgot, since I'm not looking at the OP anymore) Sort of a subliminal ad campaign until the show actually airs when one can assess the entire discussion.

edited again to say that ADD strikes again - I don't know what network, but my point holds.

[floridaguy]

24. Where exactly did Clark attack core Democratic values?

Please help me out. I guess I missed that part.

Do you have a link?

[stickdog]

25. What are Lieberman's attacks exactly?

I mean, have his poll numbers EVER increased due to them?

So what is his purpose, other than to destroy his own campaign and help Bush?

[aquart]

2. Oh, I suspect he is definitely being shunned.

Why vote for anyone as petty as the guy we already got?

[Oreegone]

3. Not to worry

Holy Joe is already shunned. I wouldn't worry much....he just lost more of his measly votes...

[citizen snips]

4. I am outraged.

I am very outraged at Lieberman because he will never accept the fact that Dean is a better candidate that he is.

[Renew Deal]

5. I haven't seen it. Joe is responsible for what he says, not the network.

It came out of his mouth. They wouldn't show it if it wasn't so outrageous.

[mitchtv]

6. My Partner, who is basically Mod Dem-apolitical

was sputtering speechless in a rage to here a "dem" running like this. We have a short list- Dean , Kerry, Clark.. the behavior of Kerry and the Clark supporters, leaves much to be decided.This position of ours changes daily.
Does anyone have the eadress of the Lieberman campaign , so I may tell them what I think?

[wryter2000]

9. DU front page

I think there's a link to all the campaigns on DU's front page. You could find a way to contact them there.

[mitchtv]

14. thanks wryter

its done

[Jack_Dawson]

7. I'm a Clark Supporter

But Lieberman's pathetic droning on about Dean is so tiresome. Why does he even get airtime? OH that's right cause the corporate media loves him.

[quinnox]

10. He was on CNN doing the same thing yesterday

Lieberman's game plan for this month, according to the Washington post:

Lieberman, Al Gore's running mate in 2000, is taking a drastically different approach: He will campaign as the unabashed Dean critic. The Connecticut senator plans to spend much of January bashing Dean on taxes, national security, personal leadership and other issues, his advisers say. Lieberman, who is skipping the Iowa caucuses, will return to the Hawkeye State for several debates this month, in large part to highlight his fight with Dean over the direction of the Democratic Party.

So expect a lot more to come of this.

[stickdog]

26. So, he's now a fulltime Repuke/DLC whore?

Lieberman, Gephardt and Kerry -- the DLC's Flight 11, 175 and 77.

[Mz Pip]

11. I've put Lieberman on ignore

Even if he's successful (which I don't think he will be) at tearing down Dean, he still won't get the nomination.

THese are the last gasps of a desperate candidate.

MzPip
:dem:

[TLM]

12. Is there anybody who DOESN'T think Joe is a douche bag?

I think even about half of his 17 supporters think so too.

[zulchzulu]

13. My usual reply when I see Lieberman in the tube is...

"Aw, shuddup, Joe".

or...

"Sheesh, what a whiney voice..."

or...

"Give it up, Joe..."

I think the best example of what a lot of people think is when he was on some CSPAN doing some Democrat dog-and-pony show and he mentioned as sort of some kind of bad comedian in the Catskills voice that maybe he should drop out...the crowd seemed to roar with excitement.

The rest of his schtick was interrupted by the sound of people whispering that they were going to make way to the lobby bar when the next opportunity comes in his speech.

[sandnsea]

16. Dean says why other candidates shouldn't be nominated

That's what his entire campaign has been about. How terrible all the other Democrats, the Demcratic Party, the leadership, the Congress; how terrible all of them are. Why is it only good when Dean says bad things about others? Two people can agree on something, but it doesn't make them right.

[TeacherCreature]

18. not true

Dean has not run his campaign that way. He has said what policy he disagrees with and he has said what he does differently than others. But he doesn't make the kinds of attacks lieberman and Kerry do (and Clark has his supporters do). Their attacks are personal and ugly.

You are going to have to face an important fact one of these days. If Kerry would lead rather than follow he would be doing better.

[sandnsea]

21. Oh for pete's sake

Dean ran attack ads against Gephardt. He's done nothing but slander candidates since day one.

And who led? Kerry has been consistently criticizing Bush all along. Long before anybody even knew who Howard Dean was.

http://www.thescrum.com/archives/2002_07_20.html

http://www.evote.com/index.asp?Page=/news_section/2003-03/03052003kerry.asp

http://static.userland.com/myUserLandHtml/currentRenderings/service04568.html

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/ea/easec/kerrynk.htm

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

19. Dean hasn't singled out one candidate

The difference between Dean and Lieberman in this respect is that Dean normally makes general criticisms of groups of candidates, or only keeps his focus on one individual candidate for a short period of time. Lieberman, on the other hand, has made Dean the 24/7 focus of his campaign.

Unlike many of my Dean-supporting brethren however, Lieberman's behavior in this respect doesn't really bother me all that much. The guy is a sanctimonious jerk, which I've known since Al Gore picked him as a running mate way back when.

I've always had this theory that Lieberman has been campaigning under the assumption that he is the presumptive frontrunner. I think he felt, like most of us, that if Al Gore decided to run this year that he would be the presumptive candidate and all the Democrats would back him. That may very well have been the case. Where he loses me is that he seems to believe that with Gore out of the picture, then Gore's status status should be automatically transferred to him, as if he were the Vice Presumptive Frontrunner.

Nope.

[sandnsea]

22. Oh, general criticisms makes it all better, lol

That's not true anyway. Above I posted about his Gephardt attack ads. He personally attacked Clark calling him a puppet of the Washington insiders and a Democrat until 25 days ago. Dean is always hacking away at somebody. It's all he's got.

[stickdog]

27. Dean says they are terrible for not standing up to Bush.

Lieberman says Dean is terrible for not bending over for Bush.

[Leilani]

17. Lieberman should go home

He's a disgrace. He has launched some pretty negative against Clark also.

He knows Dean is leading & Clark is a threat, & his attacks are slimy.

Plus, He did not help Gore in 2000.

His "debate" with Cheney was a love fest.

[caledesi]

20. Look, the bottom line is this.

HD has criticized the Dem party for "rolling over" for Bush*.

I think he wants to "clean house" and this has a lot of old-time Dems very nervous.

Howard Dean will win the nomination DESPITE the vitriolic rhetoric of Dems and Repugs alike. Begrudginly, the Dems will all fall in line, because we must beat *.

Dean has been right-on about a lot of things. Recently, he made the "outrageous" <tongue in cheek> comment that we are NO safer since the capture of Saddam. Is he right? Oh yeah and he gives proof as to why he will not back away from his statement. Orange alert, 10 troops killed days after SH was captured.

Personally, I think when he wins the nomination there will be good positions for people like Dennis Kucinich.

[Clark Can WIN]

28. So don't vote for Lieberman

Lord knows nobody else is anyway.

[Hippo_Tron]

29. I'm just tired of all of the negative energy within the party...

It's making it very hard for me to support certain candidates who I might've otherwise gone with.