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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:08 AM Original message |
The Fall, How Beltway Democrats Sank Howard Dean |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Counterpunch. That sounds about right. |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Most of the information about the groups attacking Dean prior |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. What's the point of attacking the messenger? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I've read Counterpunch for years |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That would be like accusing Democrats |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Two wrongs don't make a right |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 12:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. kind of like the fundies wanting to hasten the "tribulation." |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh those sneaky jerks |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Hmmm |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. political affiliation and race are not the same thing |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. I just wanted to mention your screen name rules |
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liberalnurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. The "click" mentality of our insider democrats |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
7. And now everybody line up and echo the talking points |
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ProfessorPlum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
11. Ya know, there was nothing to stop rank and file Democrats from |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. At that point PP we were pretty well informed |
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ProfessorPlum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'm not sure I understand the voters choice |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The media does have influence, but how you play the media is key |
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ProfessorPlum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I believe Dean did a pretty good job of playing the media |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Dean did a fabulous job of playing the media on the one hand. |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. This has to be a classic: |
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ProfessorPlum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I'll grant you the markteting of people and ideas has some impact |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I think your conclusion is far too simplistc |
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leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. You know what... |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
37. What annoys me the most about the so-called conspiracy against Dean... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Yes, courage is vastly overrated. |
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Monte Carlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I don't like it, either. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. Very perceptive |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
50. why are you ignoring the point of the article? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
14. I would not even jump in here, but.... |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
17. ***x-files music*** |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
19. I couldn't get the link to work, but I agree with your sentiments deeply. |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
20. Repubs trying to break the Dem Party apart? |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm a history major, so the recent past is not past for me |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Well, okay. Let's "drudge" up the past. Dean made mistakes. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Look, that's just not true |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. those who don't learn from the past |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
24. It seems that the issues brought out by the Jone's ad campaign |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You think of Osama in terms of Dean? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Osama? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Yes, Osama. You must have missed this article and pic from the ad. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. ok - I understand the Osama reference now |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You think the ad is ok? The Osama ad is ok with you? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. it outraged a lot of Dean supporters, true |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. WOW! I am really behind the times on this issue. |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. that add was the kind of scummy tactic I would expect from Rove |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. AMEN! and thank you. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. No, a Rove ad would have tried to pin |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Will you stop? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. what facts? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Twisting my words is a great pasttime. Go for it. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. twisting your words? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. You think the Osama ad was fine. I have nothing further on the subject. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. what discussion? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
28. I Think We Should Save Our Intramural Battles Until After John Kerry |
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ProfessorPlum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. agreed |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. In other words |
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Nazgul35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-04 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
30. Blame enough for both sides... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. If the DLC and the media sank him so easily |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. blah blah blah |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. It's already happening |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Where? |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. In my state, for one (Minnesota) |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. In Minnesota? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. I supported Howard Dean and Howard Dean now supports John Kerry. |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. so we should just ignore when the democratic party |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Um, speaking again as a Dean supporter, the people VOTED. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-10-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. I am a member of my towns committee too |
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