MP3 file of Kerry warning Bush not to rush to war on March 1, 2003

[zulchzulu]

Kerry is on record telling Bush not to strike unilaterally in Iraq.

Listen to an MP3 file of Kerry warning Bush not to go it alone in Iraq on March 1, 2003:
Sound file
(MP3 / 192bps stereo/ 3.4MB / 1:38)

[Scott Lee]

1. Let me get this straight....

You set some raw meat in front of a starving bear, but the bear is restrained by a huge chain which puts him just out of reach of the meat. You undo the chain and then tell the bear not to eat the raw meat.

Oy vey.

[zulchzulu]

2. Kosher bear theories?

Mad Bear Disease?

The point is that Kerry (unlike Gephardt and Lieberman) was for working with the UN to do its job with inspections on WMDs and to use war as a last resort. Bush lied to the World about the threat and attacked unilaterally.

It wasn't about some fairy tale idea about raw meat and a bear and other simplistic notions.

[Scott Lee]

3. So the bear promises not to go for the meat, and you believe him

knowing that the bear's behavior up to this point has been a savage need to gobble down raw meat.

Sorry, you're making less sense by the post.

[zulchzulu]

4. I think you're a liittle too attached to the "bear" thingie

[Scott Lee]

5. I accept your surrender.

Have a great weekend.

[zulchzulu]

6. I think of Dean and Trippi as Golden retrievers

Well maybe not... But could this be Trippi telling Dean to be the anti-war candidate in a strategy meeting in March?

[w13rd0]

7. No...

...that's Kerry and Gep wrestling over 5% points...

[mouse7]

13. ROFLMAO! n/t

[La_Serpiente]

8. It's different when you hear it than read it

n/t

[TeacherCreature]

9. his vote was out of sink with his mouth

I bet he hates when that happens.

[Scott Lee]

10. I want to thank you for this mp3 - it's going on the broadcast next week

And oh BOY is it going to be a blast to dissect!

Thanks again!

[zulchzulu]

26. I'll do another one for you

I have soundbites of Dean where I can make him sound like, um...yunno. ProTools rocks!

[quaker bill]

11. Oops, too late!

Oh well. I asked him to stop, but he just wouldn't.

[killbotfactory]

12. Why was he bragging about his vote after Saddam was captured?

???

[wtmusic]

14. no kidding--he wants it both ways

either you're for the war or against it. His position blows with the wind (or it just blows)

[mouse7]

16. Ken Starr's ears perk up.

Every time the word "blows" is used within the beltway, Starr rises in his seat and looks toward the source of the sound.

[mouse7]

15. Gee, not so quick to post the MP3 about that, huh? n/t

[Rulergirl]

17. then why did Kerry backtrack after saddam was captured?

FLIP-FLOP!

[wtmusic]

19. Hey Rulergirl! You rule!

Welcome to DU

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[WiseMen]

22. Kerry has been consistently against Saddam and against War. He viewed

Saddam as a dangerous ex-partner in the Reagan/Bush/Rumsfeld geopolitical manuevers in the Region who should have been checked or removed by Clinton in the 90's.

Kerry had a long record of debating U.S. policy in the region. He opposed the first Gulf war because he saw U.S. militarization
of the region as a potential long-term disaster. Kerry had led the
investigation of the Reagan/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld duplicitous involvement in the
Iran-Iraq War during the 80's and saw that the Gulf conflict was not just
avoidable, but a war that should be avoided.

Al Gore, supported by a few conservative democrats such as Governor Dean,
voted for that War: a war that desecrated the Muslim Holy Lands, turned the
formerly pro-U.S. Islamic radicals into Anti-American Jihadist and led more
than a decade of death and tragedy for people in the region. But that vote for
war qualified him to be Vice President of the United States.

While, Kerry opposed
the main resolution authorizing force in the Persian Gulf in 1991, he has since
criticized both former President Clinton and his successor, President Bush, for
missed opportunities to return inspectors to Iraq to end the risk of Iraqi WMD
proliferation.
In 1998 Kerry joined John McCain to argue for forceful and effective action, covert
or otherwise, to enforce U.N. inspections or remove the Saddam regime. In a
Feb. 23, 1998 press release on the Iraq dilemma Kerry stated:

“This is the first issue of proliferation in the post Cold War period. It is
imperative for us as a nation to stand our ground and for the Western world to
make it clear that we cannot allow by any nation to possess and use those kinds
of weapons.”

Given this precedent, a vote against Bush’s September, 2002, Iraq War
Resolution, in this post-9/11 national security environment, would have exposed
Kerry to a charge of enormous hypocrisy and partisan demagoguery.

In voting “yes” on the IWR Kerry said he had to trust the President of the
United States when he said that war would be “a last resort”. At the time of
the vote, in a substantial, thoughtful speech on the Senate floor, Kerry said
he would strongly opposed any unilateral movement to war and that he did not
believe that Saddam’s threat was yet imminent.

John Kerry kept is word and was extremely vocal in
opposition to unilateral action during the U.N. debates, to Bush’s “rush to war,”
and to the administration’s duplicitous and inept foreign policy.

At the same time, Bush having unleashed the dogs of war, Kerry has called for a just resolution to the conflict that "takes the target off the backs of our soldiers" and returns Iraq to the Iraqi people under U.N. supervision.

Kerry has opposed Saddam from the years of the Rumsfeld/Saddam war crimes against Iran and the Kurds. The capture and trial of Saddam will likely help bring an end to a tragic saga of blood and tears.

[Scott Lee]

24. Kerry is a solid Bush enabler, I'll grant you that

With more Democratic "opponents" like that, why would the GOP worry about a thing?

[molly]

31. They are probably getting very concerned that Dean

won't get the nomination.

[sandnsea]

30. How so??

Please explain how being glad about the capture of a tyrant, connecting that tyrant to the instability in the ME and the implications to US security, is backtracking. Please explain how being glad about the capture of Saddam changes his strenuous warnings to Bush about not engaging in a unilateral war before all diplomacy had been exhausted. Please explain how being glad about the capture of Saddam changes his vote to force the man to comply with inspections. Inspections that Hans Blix said in Feb 2003 Saddam was not complying with to the extent he could. Exactly where did Kerry backtrack?

[Brian_Expat]

18. Clearly, Kerry was deceived by Bush

Kerry believed Bush when he said he wouldn't go in alone (though I think he was wrong for supporting an Iraq war to begin with). Why can't he just admit it and condemn Bush for staining the office of president with a lie that led to war?

[paulk]

21. he has!

He's said that Bush lied to him. He's said it more than once.

[zulchzulu]

27. Um, he's been saying Bush lied ever since last March

“Being flown to a carrier and saying the words Mission Accomplished, does not end a war. The swagger of a President saying 'Bring’em on' does not bring peace.

“Giving a speech on national television does not reassure Americans about what’s happening in Iraq -- to be straight with the American people about Iraq takes more than a speech, it takes real answers to tough questions. President Bush needs to lay out the full answers owed to the American people – he should have done so before he ever went to war, he needs to do it now.”  -- John Kerry

The American people deserve to know the truth – real answers to the following questions:

1.  How are we going to get others to share the financial burden in Iraq and how much should we expect of them?

2.  Given the way the Administration pushed aside our allies before going to war, how are we going to get more international security forces to share the burden and risk with our troops?

3.  How are we going to convince the Iraqis that we are friends not occupiers?

4.  When and how are we going to transfer power to an Iraqi government?

5.  When will the oil flow and when will the oil revenue be available?

6.  While helping to stabilize Iraq, what is the Administration’s plan to avoid the strain on troops that have been overextended?

7.  When will electricity and other basic services be available through out Iraq?

8.  How much is Iraq going to cost the American taxpayer?

9. Why didn’t the Administration assign enough troops to secure the weapons of mass destruction sites, secure the non-WMD ammunition sites, and prevent the looting – in short, what was the plan?

10. Why was the planning for securing the peace so off-the-mark?

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_0907a.html

[babzilla]

20. guess bush didn't listen to him, huh?

tsk, tsk. Bush rushed to war after all, too bad for them dead Iraqi folk. Too bad for Kerry's nomination prospect.

[Metrix]

23. He didn't listen to Howard either

.

[stickdog]

25. Too little.

Too late.

[sleipnir]

28. Yet more evidence against Kerry

A turncoat, simply put. Tried to reconcile his vote for an illegal invasion of a country by spouting a few words out.

[oasis]

29. Kerry and congress were lied to and Blair was deceived when Bush stopped

a vote on the second resolution by the UN security council.

I kick this thread in hopes that those folks with open minds will be able to review the facts before forming an opinion on Kerry's IWR vote.