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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:07 PM
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By their inaction the Superdelegates are aiding and abetting the trashing of the Dem Nominee.
We hear again and again that the superdelegates are watching and won't let the Clintons step over the line (i.e., damage Obama for the general election). But I turn on the tv and hear Clinton painting Obama as an elitist who does not respect the people of WV, then I hear that low life Lanny Davis on Fox News attacking Obama on Wright and Ayers.

To the CLUELESS Democratic Establishment - if Obama loses the general election the Clintons AND the Democratic Party will be blamed and you will see the Republicans make a MAJOR play for black voters, new voters, and voters just plain DISGUSTED with how the Democratic Party sat on the sideline and lets its nominee be trashed.

Of course the Republicans will try to NEGATIVELY DEFINE Obama in November. Unfortunately, the Clintons and their hacks are already giving the Republicans a BIG HELPING HAND.









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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:09 PM
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1. Circular firing squad. Nobody does it better.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:11 PM
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3. I'll join the firing squad as long as I'm standing across from Mark Penn. I'd probably have a .....
good chance of surviving, and I'd be doing a favor to everyone.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:10 PM
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2. Supposedly, the SDs are trying to respect Hillary and give her some time
to come to terms with the inevitable outcome. But, from what I've heard, they're also watching to see if she goes out on a high note or by taking Obama into the gutter. If she's goes gutter, I'm betting they all endorse at once.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:12 PM
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5. it seems to be headed toward the gutter and they need to do soemthing. i understood their initial
hesitation, but they need to start coming about 10-12 per day.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:14 PM
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7. I absolutely agree! nt
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:16 PM
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9. It seems like it's already in the gutter to me.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:27 PM
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17. Exactly. No excuse at this point for not showing a UNITED front.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:15 PM
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8. Well the Clintons are DISRESPECTING the entire party. Do they think she is acting on a high note?
She is already in the gutter and is DAMAGING Obama for the general election.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:28 PM
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18. Lordy.. how much lower could she possibly go? Its unimaginable.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:31 PM
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19. Did you hear Lanny Davis on Fox News today? It was outrageous.
And Bill Clinton on the trail spreading his poison is very damaging b/c it is coming from a former President, not just some political hack.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:03 PM
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30. I can't watch Lanny any longer. It makes me want to envelop him in a white jacket.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:12 PM
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31. After this thing is over their needs to be a truce where he doesn't keep going
onto faux to spread the poison against obama if he's the nominee
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:12 PM
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4. I agree, and Im tired of the excuse they want Hillary to "end it her own way"..
....like she's so fragile she'll crack under the pressure of SD's telling her it really IS over.

I give her more credit than that, and in soothing Hillary's damaged ego they are risking our probable victory in the GE.

She's not worth it.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:23 PM
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13. They are risking much more than the general election. The Democratic
Party is risking becoming a minority party for a generation.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:13 PM
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6. They really do seem like Scardey-crats
Edited on Sun May-11-08 03:26 PM by 4themind
but I'm pretty sure there is a method to the madness
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:16 PM
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10. Obama needs to nail down 33 more pledged delgates before his SDs can make a move
Edited on Sun May-11-08 03:23 PM by rocknation
that Hillary would be powerless to undo. That can't happen before the KY/OR contests on May 20.

Obama has already clinched the superdelegate lead. So if he gets at least 36% of the vote in WV on Tuesday (that's all he needs), all systems will be go. Patience, grasshopper--patience and priorities.

:headbang:
rocknation

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:20 PM
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11. Remaining silent while they are NEGATIVELY defining a man that is unknown to a majority
of the voting public is what I would call suicidal. Somehow the Democratic establishment seems to think by uttering such inane statements "as we are monitoring the process......." will give them cover. But it will not b/c the Republicans will be more than happy to point out how the Democratic establishment sat on the sidelines while Obama was trashed.

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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:35 PM
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21. I think one analogy is
he's trapped inside of a burning house, and the superdelegates are the firemen with the hoses, but they're waiting to see whether he can escape before it collapses, or if he'll slip and be consumed by the flames, and if he does, they put out the fire to keep the house (hillary in this example) intact, and hope she's also not too badly damaged to be salvaged.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:21 PM
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12. Agreed, It Is Time For Them To End It nt
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Obamamaniac_25 Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:25 PM
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14. The superdelegates are probably plotting to steal the nomination for HRC
And that is why there are no endorsements.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:33 PM
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20. It seems like the Clintons think if they can damage Obama enough, the
superdelegates will hand them the nomination (which begs the question - why would they believe that unless the superdelegates have been sending them such signals).
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:26 PM
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16. They are ending it.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:26 PM
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15. Their spineless enabling of the Clintons only reinforces the stereotyping of Dems as
ineffectual and disorganized and unable to galvanize our own party. ENOUGH !
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:41 PM
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22. The 'Obama' Party? ENOUGH! You are NOT Democrats!





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjBeVYvMOwc there are over 2000! Say it with me...2000 recorded and documented complaints against Team Obama in TX!


I think Hillary has built a case...I HOPE SHE BRINGS IT TO DEVER!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:47 PM
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23. Free Republic anxiously awaits your arrival. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Oh,
and it's DENVER.. not Dever.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:48 PM
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24. Dever can have it. Just so long as she keeps it out of Denver. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:49 PM
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25. Me too.
You guys go to Dever, wherever that is, with your pots and pans and we'll go to Denver with the nominee.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:13 PM
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32. Political cover v. Rebuilding/realigning the party
1st off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjBeVYvMOwc there are over 2000! Say it with me...2000 recorded and documented complaints against Team Obama in TX!



Question on the this: why not take the evidence to the trier of fact and law, substantiate the claims through the media, or get as much eye witness statements who have sworn out affidavits about all of this?


2nd

I think the issue Obama is facing within the Democratic party is one of institutionalized power --- corporate wing of the Democratic PARTY (not Dean---he has been fighting since he became the head of the DNC to reorganize the way business is done) --- changing the standards upon which the DNC operates.

Obama has been able to get the people that the Clintons through overboard on his side first, Carters and Kennedys (I didn't think Kennedies looked right). Then he has to rally the House and the Senate with his eye toward Fall campaign season for their seats. How can you say that office holding SD need declare now, when Obama is going to owe them LARGE AMOUNTS when he becomes the nominee.

Doesn't make far more sense not to promise office holding SD the world when they can expect nothing if they either refuse to endorse or wait until he is the nominee? The issue is influence. Our political process commodity is INFLUENCE. Each candidate had to make people promises so that they'd get the endorsement. He won't owe them a thing. It is the same reason why these small donors make SO MUCH SENSE. He won't be beholden to anyone else.

I think that right now SD who are the grassroots of the party want to know which direction he is going to take the party as the head. Is he for the roots of the party or for the corporate end?


It will be finalized by June. No hurry.

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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:50 PM
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26. Hillary has earned a smackdown. Game over.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:50 PM
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27. i suspect they're enjoying letting the clintons dig themselves deeper in it.
we democrats excel at the circular firing squad for a reason. everyone's got an agenda.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:57 PM
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28. Democrats are like independent tribesmen
and the GOP are like the Roman Legions in their organization.

In the end, the Romans lost because, even though they were well organized and marched lock-step, they were rotten to the core and failed from within.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:59 PM
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29. Thanks for the Laughs!
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