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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:50 PM
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A President Obama is in a much better position to win re-election campaign than a President Clinton
Of course that is completely stupid.


And that is what is also completely banal about all of the projections about who is better in the fall.

There is a reason they have campaigns. All of the polls that show McCain having a chance in the fall are nice fiction. Could he win? Of course he could win. He could also lose every state in the union.

We have a country that hates Bush and the Republicans were boxed in so they nominated Grandpa Minnie Me and now we are going to turn this into an referendum on Bush III. And if anyone has any doubts I have a single word answer

Debates.

Obama has been through 21 and McCain had a few softball pitches.


http://www.americablog.com/2007/03/mccain-doesnt-know-if-condoms-help-stop.html

The other day a reporter asked a fairly straight forward question

Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”

Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”

Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”

Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”

Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”

Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”

Could John McCain be this much of an idiot? Could he be so stupid about basic health policy? Could he be so beholden to the theocrats that he wouldn't answer such an obvious question?



This man's world experience is surprisingly very narrow. It is difficult to imagine him sharing a stage with Obama and taking questions at random and looking like he is in the same league.


Campaigns are never straight lines





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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:53 PM
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1. McCain is a lousy candidate. Also,
Edited on Sun May-11-08 03:58 PM by ProSense
the Republican Party is fighting for its political life. They're losing seats and even incumbent GOP Senators up for reelection are encountering rough waters.







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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:59 PM
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3. Not only that, in the event of a landslide he provides the Republicans no
coherent theme to rebuild on, which Goldwater did. Goldwater had an integrated philosophy that allowed the base to eventually become the party of Reagan. A McCain wipe out will lead to chaos in the party and a long struggle for the identity of the party.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:58 PM
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2. Your headline is in fact not just stupid but completely wrong -
Obama, if somehow he can win the White House, will be a one-term President. For one thing, there will be the biggest Presidential let-down ever when suddenly we have President Obama (who ran on the same moderate-moderate-liberal platform as Hillary) and this country and the world don't suddenly transform into bright new shining heavens of hope and change. Think the kids would be heart-broken if Hillary steals it in Denver? They'll be even more heart-broken if their idol wins the White House.

Also, he will be Carterized by the MSM and the right wing, working mostly independently of each other. So who gets to be Reagan in 2012, hmmm? Not a pretty prospect.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:59 PM
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4. You sound bitter. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:01 PM
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6. Yep, Bitter and clingy.....
:rofl: :rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:00 PM
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5. "one-term President. For one thing, there will be the biggest Presidential let-down"
You post that to claim the OP is stupid and wrong?

Idiocy!

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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:03 PM
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7. Um, the OP used the term "stupid" on his headline to make a point.
I wasn't trying to hammer him, just add my belief that the headline itself was also wrong. Read the OP! There it is, right up top.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:09 PM
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9. This is also at the top:
"And that is what is also completely banal about all of the projections about who is better in the fall."

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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:17 PM
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12. Yes, as I said, the OP was trying to make a point - that was the point.
Mine was a different point. At most, I plead guilty to minor thread-jacking, with the defense that the healine invited it. I wasn't trying to flame its author.
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:06 PM
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8. Good idea. Let's throw out hope and vote for more
of the same old crap. Sounds like a winner to me.
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MikeDJohn Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:10 PM
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10. And Hillary Rodham............she would be re-elected WHY?
Edited on Sun May-11-08 04:10 PM by MikeDJohn
Because women are a majority? Because Black folk will just fall in line again? Because she will pass health insurance and fine people who don't comply? How does Hillary pull off a second term easier than Obama?

Answers?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:12 PM
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11. Your name is perfect for you, because every day you prove you are indeed
smalll. Maybe not in stature, but you are very smalll.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 06:38 PM
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20. any attempt to project the poliltical landscape beyond 60 days is silly which
your reply illustrates

Thank you
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:22 PM
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13. kANDr
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:31 PM
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14. Ok. I just spent a small but potentialy important chunk of my lifetime
trying to understand why you had misspelled candor, and what that had to do with the OP.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:38 PM
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15. Kicked and recommended...
Edited on Sun May-11-08 04:39 PM by cliffordu
k&R

is the usual way to do it...I was sidetracked by cats on my lap and keyboard....and I get tired of K&R...

Sorry about your waste of time.....
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:56 PM
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17. No worries.
I did figure it out before I posted. Perhaps I should have said so. Laughed at myself once I did. Thanks
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:52 PM
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16. The questions asked of him by the tools in the MSM will not be "at random."
They will be designed to present him in the most favorable light, and Obama in the worst possible light. Don't forget, the MSM has admitted that they are McCain's real cosntituency. They are covering for him now and will continue not covering him but covering for him as much as possible.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:51 PM
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18. That's where "debates" come in.
Put them in the same room, and that shit won't fly.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 06:23 PM
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19. Good lord. It cannot be possible for him to be so unprepared and
Edited on Sun May-11-08 06:24 PM by WIllo
uninformed at 70 years old.

I'm trying to give him an out by saying he wasn't comfortable answering off the cuff and wanted to check the campaign response.

But jeez, Harold and his purple crayon can't make that exit.

"I think I support the president's policy" - translation: um, what he did
"You've stumped me" - 70 years old, two wives and no current sex education

Come on. I mean really. Help me here grantcart. The GE is not going to be about intelligence so what's their plan?
Why and how is he their nominee? How did he become a senator?

I'm flabbergasted and in serious denial. It just cannot be this easy.


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