Clark Reaffirms: Dean Candidacy is the Bush Model. Been There, Done That

[Raya]

On Meet The Press today Clark was pressed hard to say there was some chance he would accept the V.P slot and a Dean ticket.

He said no, no no.

He further explained: We have tried that Model. Bush came in with no experience and surrounded himself with advisors. That model does not work. And I am not going to be a part of it.

Questions:

Could clark be more clear?

Do we get it that there is a huge risk voting for a presidential candidate NOT based on their own experience and knowledge?

Do we get it that Bush has put in a state of War and will keep it that way because Repubs have default 20 point advantage on National Security.

Will Dean supporters stop bringing up Clark as V.P as the answer to
the Governors electability problem?

[poskonig]

1. Dean polls the best against Bush.

The only people obsessed about the Clark VP stuff are *Clark* supporters who feel dishonored by the possibility.

[billbuckhead]

7. Any proof Howard Brush Dean III polls best against Bush?

That's not from CNN or some other discredited source.

[poskonig]

9. If you refuse to argue logically,

you've already lost, billbuckhead! :*

[MR. ELECTABLE]

25. Nice try

Exactly how is the CNN source discredited?

[windansea]

16. huh??

Dean and Trippi made a pathetic ploy to minimalize Clark's bid for prez by LEAKING this VP meme after a supposedly private meeting

After Clark called them on this nasty little trick...Trippi basically called Clark a liar.

so who's obsessed??

[MR. ELECTABLE]

28. Not what I see

The only people who ever floated this ridiculous rumor have been Clark and his campaign staff. They used it early on to try and gain a little name recognition from the front runner, and now they're using it again in the same way. The same way they keep floating Hillary for VP, even though she has expressed absolutely no desire to do so.

[windansea]

34. sure...

[lurk_no_more]

21. But bush still wins.

Polling best does not win the election, and there are more dean supporters obsessed with Clark because of dean hole to be plugged than the other way around.


” JAFO”

[MR. ELECTABLE]

33. You don't plug a hole in national security with a VP

You plug a hole in national security with the secretary of defense. The vice president serves as head of the Senate, and is usually slated with helping the president get his bills passed. Clark has ZERO experience doing this, thus he would make a poor vice president choice.

[Kahuna]

45. Consistently?

No.

[dsc]

2. so by that standard he is utterly unqualified too

after all he has never, as in not even once, worked in any capacity where he had to get a legislature to do what he wanted it to do. Thus he is incapable of governing. Also it should be stated that Clinton used the same model and it worked rather well.

[JNelson6563]

4. amen DSC

but we use different standards on different candidates. ;-)

Julie

[KittyWampus]

40. Really? You Don't Think The Neo-Cons Undercut Clinton?

Apparently, Dean is too incompetent to realise that having his campaign say that 9/11 couldn't have been forseen just fucked the Democrats efforts to get Junior or hold him accountable for 9/11.

It seems that there is NOTHING that Dean could do to demonstrate his ineptitude that will wake his supporters up.

Luckily, many voters are still Undecided and/or NOT commited to Dean and Dean's numbers are largely based on name recognition garnered from a complicit press.

I have faith that Primary Voters will avoid the disaster that is Howard Dean.

[dsc]

47. Dishonest quotes

and that is exactly what your quote in that post is, will not convince me of anything. His comment about 9/11 had to do with nuclear plants . which to my knowledge weren't involved in 9/11.

[Hep]

3. Yeah, been there, done that, IN *1992*

and that's the last time. You can't say the RW doesn't know how to win elections. Any campaign strategy that can win an election against the RW will be monumental.

Fight Fire With Fire?

Yup.

It's the people that adhere to outdated, losing strategies who scare me.

Anyway, tell me what you know about Dean's campaign model. I know a bit about it, having spoken with Zephyr Teachout, the internet person, andJoe Trippi. If you'd like to have an honest discussion about it, I would love to share theories. I even have visuals!

[Raya]

23. Clinton Said He would not have been Good Candidate with War On

[Hep]

24. Changing the subject

You were talking about campaign models. Not candidates. And you dismiss the possibility that Clinton is wrong.

[readmylips]

5. So...Prez Clinton came in with NO Foreign experience....

and is still the most loved throughout the world, in American history. Where is Clark's domestic experience compared to Gov. Dean and Gov. Clinton? Fighting gorrilas in Kosovo does not count for domestic experience. Now, I like Clark even less.

Clark was NOT clear. Clark is the one that sounds boosh-like.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

13. We Are "at War" Now, "No Foreign Policy Experience" WILL NOT FLY

That's the difference.

DTH

[Gloria]

27. Again, Clinton was NOT entirely without Foreign Policy experience...

He had a longstanding interest; worked with J. William Fullbright, studied foreign policy at Georgetown and was educated abroad at Oxford.

While not working in the field directly, he had the interest and background from early in his life....

[WiseMen]

51. Clinton Says He would likely loose Post 9/11

[Brian_Expat]

6. Why is Clark campaigning in NH rather than debating?

This MTP interview is telling. Clark hasn't changed his "winnability" message or advanced. This, I believe, is another sign of his campaign faltering. He's spending time today campaigning in New Hampshire because of Kerry's widening lead for second place. If Clark doesn't get at least a strong second place in NH, his campaign is over, given his lack of presence in Iowa. This is why the Clark machine's in overdrive -- they've got to get up the hill with their last little bit of gas.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

11. After the Huff Lieberman Made About Last-Minute Participation Last Debate

There is no way Clark could have come in at the last minute at this debate. It's smart for Clark not to have even given Lieberman the opportunity to shut him down.

(On background, a couple of candidates objected to Lieberman coming in at the last minute at one of the last debates. Lieberman singled out only Clark for condemnation, however. As for this debate, Clark had planned on being at his grandson's birth -- which came early -- and not the debate.)

DTH

[Brian_Expat]

17. Lieberman huffed because Clark's campaign shut him out of the last one. nt

[DoveTurnedHawk]

20. So Did Three Other Campaigns

And Christ, check yourself for just one second in your crusade against Clark:

Who the fuck could blame ANY Democrat for wanting to shut out Lieberman?

DTH

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. ALL the candidates voted

on whether they would allow Lieberman in the last debate via video feed. They ALL voted. Clark just happened to be on the receiving end of Lieberman's wrath after that debate. It WASN'T just Clark. Get your facts straight if you're going to bash a candidate.

[BootinUp]

18. Where did you hear that Kerry

was widening his lead in NH?

He's lost something like 5 pts in the last week.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack/

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. I read on another thread

last night that he passed on this debate because of the due date of his grandchild. The baby was born early. Clark already had other commitments. Can you understand that or do you just not want to grasp it?

[mitchtv]

8. Clark said "if Bush is qualified, any one of the Dems is"

I think he displayed a lot of Class in front of Mr. potato head , Russert. As he reiterated his intent to run for the presidency. He burned no bridges, I wish him luck , as i do for Dean.

[Hep]

14. What a great comment!

Clark is ON POINT!

[otohara]

10. Dean Supporter Here Who Hopes Clark Is Never Mentioned as VP

because I'm really starting to dislike this man.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

15. The Feeling's Quite Mutual

But you should really read the whole transcript, because Clark took the high road toward Dean the entire time, despite Russert's desperate efforts to get him to slam Dean.

DTH

[Jerseycoa]

22. Clark Supporter Here Who Hopes Dean Is Never Mentioned as VP

"because I'm really starting to dislike this man."

[Brian_Expat]

31. Don't worry, he won't be. . .

The Presidential nominee is rarely mentioned as "VP." The VP slot goes to the guy who wants to serve his country more than simply win the top spot for himself. :evilgrin:

[w4rma]

30. Same here. And for President, also. He puts his ego ahead of the country

You'd think that he'd accept it as a compelement. But if he wants to be divisive about it, then good riddance to him.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

36. It's Not About Ego at All, But Keep Trying That Spin!

I swear, it's almost as if Dean supporters got a memo or something!

DTH

[otohara]

38. There's That Memo Thing Again

the imaginary memo that you keep insisting is floating around and our inablity to think with out "the memo"

[windansea]

39. ITSA

[OKNancy]

37. I don't think it's a compliment at all

in fact it is a slam. Would you not feel the same way if all the Clark people were saying, Dean should be VP? You think Dean should be number one, and we feel our guy should be number one.

In fact, I'll go farther, I think it is insulting.

[w4rma]

48. It was meant as a complement when I used to say it. (n/t)

[BootinUp]

12. 20 pt advantage? try 30 n/t

[Brian_Expat]

19. That's not what the polls say. . .

They show Dean way ahead of Clark and others in "electability."

[bowens43]

29. I for one, would find it nearly impossible

to support a ticket that includes Clark. Don't want him, don't need him.

[JVS]

35. I don't want him as VP at all. It is odd that he calls Dean inexperienced

If anyone is inexperienced it is Clark

[KaraokeKarlton]

41. Wow, it looks like Clark has decided to follow Kerry's lead

and we all know where Kerry has led his campaign. Oh well, there's always room for another cellar dweller in this race.

So glad he doesn't want to be VP because I don't know of many Dean supporters who want Clark on the ticket now that we learned of his lobbying for the same companies who contribute to Bush. With Democrats like that who needs Republicans?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

42. Clark SO OBVIOUSLY Took the High Road Today

Read/watch the interview before you let yourself get manipulated into meaningless, inaccurate hate by an editorialized interpretation.

:eyes:

DTH

[chocolateeater]

43. I can see that Clark

wants to rule out being VP right now, after all he is running for the Presidency. It's also too premature to be talking about this subject. Seeing an actual vote count first would be nice. But, this quote troubles me because, if Dean did become President and asked Clark for advice, would Clark help out or not want "to be a part of it."

[Turkw]

44. Sure he would help if asked, he just doesn't think it is the best recipe

for success. Note, he didn't say Dean was a bad guy, Bush-light, or any of the really negative stuff.

[TeacherCreature]

46. clark is talking about Dean's inexperience?

What a morAn.

[WiseMen]

52. Have Your looked at Clark's Life Story? His ser vice was not trivial.

[TexasSissy]

49. I hope the Dean camp gives that up. Clark is NOT going to be his VP.

VPs don't do anything, anyway. So what good would Clark's experience do Dean regarding foreign security or foreign policy? Both men are #1 kinda guys.

However, Clark is military, and as such, I could see him taking a VP slot from someone he respected and considered more experienced that he is. But that is none of the current candidates.

[stickdog]

50. And the Clinton model. And the Reagan model.

Fuck Clark for pretending Dean = Bush.

[CWebster]

53. Isn't it somewhat cocky for Clark to posture as such a know-it-all ?

Doesn't he have advisors from the Clinton administration and isn't there some irony in this statement:

"Do we get it that there is a huge risk voting for a presidential candidate NOT based on their own experience and knowledge?"

Considering outside of military experience, Clark has ZERO political experience and never ran as dog catcher to get his feet wet prior to jumping into the presidency. Sorry, military experience is not a good measure of what an ideal leader in a country increasingly relating to the world with military action, should be.