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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:53 PM Original message |
Can Clinton be disqualified for breaking the rules? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. That'd be funny if they revoked her SD status. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. You mean expelling her from the Senate? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. No, just her SD status. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Lieberman is no longer a Democrat, he "revoked" his own status. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yes, exactly my point. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. So how would you go about that? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
80. actually the democratic voters of connecticut revoked his status |
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Lady-Damai (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Is it possible?! |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wow, never looked at it this way |
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geiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. great point. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. What rules is she breaking? Please be specific. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
68. What rules was Michigan breaking? |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. They moved their primary date up earlier than the DNC rules allowed. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. Thanks. I just wanted to hear you say it. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Funny, no one seems to be able to name the rule that Hillary is breaking. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I don't think she is. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. The pledge only covered campaigning, nothing more |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. And the "pledge" was to Iowa and New Hampshire. |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
64. So can we have Iowa & New Hampshire sue her? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. go for it. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. The pledge also covered participating.. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. And Obama campaigned with radio ads in MI and TV ads in FL. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. is Obama pushing to have the votes counted now? Is he |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Both are acting to what is politically expedient. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I call |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Some of you guys live in an alternate universe |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. no rinsd- I live in the very same universe you do- and |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Fundraising was specifically allowed under the pledge. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. and |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Campaigning as defined by the DNC does not mean ads must originate in the state. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
76. He was on the MI radio? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. The Conyers ran an ad on his behalf urging his supporters to vote in a way to support him |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. "Vote for Uncommited" =/= "Vote for Obama" |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. You are recalling things that never happened. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Thank you for the information |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. Your wrong...he has said all along they would and should be seated. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. That's a falsehood. You've been repeatedly informed that it's a FALSEHOOD. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:05 PM Original message |
NH and Iowa |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. Breaking the rules usually results in a fine or reprimand. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. So let's go with the reprimand discussion - since we know she's broke. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. She has no legal or moral leg to stand on. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
13. The pledge was not issued by DNC. That was done by the 4 state Dem parties |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. You fail to understand what "Participate" means |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. You fail to understand what campaigning means. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
15. Sen. Clinton Has Violated No Rule, Ma'am |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. "lobbying" is a judicious way of framing what they are doing |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. If You Say So, Ma'am.... |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Hey - I recognize those assholes... They're republicans. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. She has clearly stated that if they're not seated in full, in her favor - with none for Obama in MI |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. If She Is Foolish Enough To Follow Through On That Threat, Ma'am, She Will Regret It |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. The Four States didn't follow through on their threat to remove her from the primary. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. So why did Chris Dodd, 1st signer of the pledge, leave his name on the ballot? |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Chris Dodd dropped out of the race after Iowa. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Exactly. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. So Dodd knew in Oct that he would do poorly in Iowa and withdraw? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
67. KA-boom!! Reality hits the forum!!! |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Deadline for removing one's name was back in Oct. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. well, maybe the four states were naieve- believing that HIllary |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. You have that wrong. It was Obama who went back on his word after 2 of the 4 states had voted. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. That's a FALSEHOOD. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Obama ran ads thru the Conyers specifically urging Obama supporters to vote Uncommitted. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. sorry- you need to take up your issue with Conyers- NOT Obama- |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. LOL. This is hilarious! |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Fail. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Hillary is just as responsible for her 527's as Obama is for the Conyers. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. denial |
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Jen-MI (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I have said in the past that... |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
81. By whom? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. By Democratic party officials? |
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Jen-MI (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Thank you... I have been looking for links to that information! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. As usual ... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Does KittyCat share your flightsuit? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. no- I don't have it backwards. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. HRC and her boosters could give a tinker's damn about the "rules" - hell, look at the ones around |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
41. Obama signed the pledge too, and THEN HE CAMPAIGNED IN FLORIDA THE VERY NEXT DAY |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Wrong. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. You MIGHT wanna FACT FIND before you spout off... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I love when people argue things they are seemingly ignorant about. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Why are you so upset? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. not upset. Just tellin' the truth |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. I am tired of having this argument over and over again. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. No one is forcing you to respond though, rinsd. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Not bad adivce. Though I am unlikely to wholeheartedly embrace it. |
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Jen-MI (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
47. The DNC is the one that didn't follow the rules... |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. That isn't Obama's fault. He followed the rules that ALL the candidates agreed to |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
55. "Speaking out" has not become |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
56. Is Obama entitled because he's running? |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Obama has a little problem with this...whatever is wrong is his doing... |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Hillary lost. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. Reneging on a signed pledge should have it's own natural consequenses. |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
72. This is politics... |
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