Democratic Debate on CSPAN Now!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

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http://www.cspan.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. This is going to be good. n/t

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

2. Edwards has the first question

about terrorism, but my stream is *really* bad!

[Tinoire]

3. Watching- One thing for Edwards

He speaks extremely well.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

4. CMB: "Fear is power"

[Brian_Expat]

5. GO CAROL!

"What I think is this war isn't about safety."

"I think that fear is power, and we've lost focus on real objectives."

I love her. :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. CMB.....pure class.

"Misadventure in Iraq"....to say the least!

[jumptheshadow]

56. She is truly gifted

She's one of three Democratic candidates who have the potential and the vision to win the Nobel Peace Prize someday.

[poskonig]

7. Kerry is saying the right things.

He is making *his* priorities about security clear.

[Brian_Expat]

8. Kerry doing well too!

"Bush has misled this nation about war."

At last, he's being honest.

"Proactive foreign policy. . . that reaches out to other countries."

'The war on terror is less a military operation and more an intelligence and law enforcement operation."

Where was this Kerry six months ago? I wish he'd taken this tack earlier.

[poskonig]

9. Kucinich has really improved.

His delivery is *much* better than when he began. Substantive, too.

[Gingersnap]

20. what's Kucinich being asked?

(no tv here and streaming connection sucks on my computer)

[Brian_Expat]

10. Lieberman saying all the wrong things.

"Stay the course in Iraq."

"This will teach Libya and Iraq a lesson and now they're co-operating."

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. What a stupid question to Dean

"Isn't it true you hate Bush more than you hate America's enemies?"

wtf???

[Toucano]

22. You're kidding me??

I can't see it yet, but are you sure they said that?

That's a stupid question. "Isn't it true..." is never a fair way to pose a question.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

37. he said something like "It seems like..."

I didn't quote exactly, but it was such an underhanded shitty question even I'm offended.

[Toucano]

46. Fair enough.

Still sounds loaded and antagonistic.

[Brian_Expat]

54. His quote was

"Some in Iowa think it seems like you hate Bush more than America's enemies."

Dean's derisive snort and focus on a positive vision was perfect.

[Cooley Hurd]

60. The questioner phrased the qustion...

"...Governor Dean, there are some people in Iowa that believe that you hate Bush more than America's enemies. How do you respond to them?"

Who are these "some people" in Iowa saying that? Republicans?

[Lefta Dissenter]

12. OK, as much as I try to stay open-minded

I can't even hear a word that Lieberman says anymore. I just get distracted by how much I dislike the guy. My mind is officially shut.

[poskonig]

13. Nice response by Dean.

Kept it positive, talked about winning by addition, not subtraction.

[Brian_Expat]

14. Nasty question asked to Dean

"Why are you more angry at Bush than America's enemies"? :wtf:

Good parlay, Howard. Chuckled, laughed it off and talked about people power. Go Howard! :)

"The only way to beat George Bush is to have a campaign based on addition, not subtraction. We have to bring new people into the Democratic Party."

Amen, brother!

[Tinoire]

25. Yeah but these questions seem more tailored to each

I have no problem with that question because he makes anger too central, too obvious but he answered so calmly that he came across not angry. Good job.

Good answer on the terrorism too

[Brian_Expat]

32. I like his style in this debate.

Edwards is kicking ass too!

[Tinoire]

43. Edwards losing me on Israel / Palestine

Good question- in I/P would you negotiate with Hamas.

Sorry Edwards- you're touting the party line. Hamas and the IDF are equal terrorists- one is not causing less terror than the other. Arafat is the Palestinian leader whether we like it or not.


Excellent questions they're asking.

Edwards- good points about how we need to be engaged though and how he would do it vs the photo ops engagements we've had lately.

He'll get an A on that from most people so overall good answer I guess

[Brian_Expat]

15. Gep saying the right things, but soooo monotone. . .

Not inspiring, almost like he's going through the motions.

[Lefta Dissenter]

19. John Wayne (eom)

[Hoppin_Mad]

24. He implied he'd vote for the war AGAIN !

[Brian_Expat]

30. I noticed that. . .

. . . but that's not a change.

[revcarol]

16. Loved Kucinich's calm and logical press for getting out of Iraq.

So Presidential. Can't you imagine him among other world leaders?

WOW!!

[poskonig]

17. Dean looks firm and well-prepped today.

eom

[liberalpragmatist]

49. Dean said Saddam Hussein wouldn't be in power today

That was an odd response. I was very impressed with his first two answers and the way he said Saddam Hussein wasn't a threat. However, he said that had we taken his advice we would have gone after, maybe caught Osama, then got a coalition and removed Saddam Hussein. I don't buy that. It's not even been a yr. That strikes me as a political answer by implying that, yes, Saddam would be out of power.

What Dean should have said was, yes, Saddam Hussein may well have still been in power, but we would have effectively contained him and proven that he was not a threat. We would have known what the status of his WMD programs were, and we'd be monitering him, so that if it emerged that he was engaging in genocide or reviving his WMD programs we would attack later -- just not right now. That would have been the most sensible answer

[Tinoire]

18. Kucinich

we can cut Pentagon budget 15%.

As the ranking Democrat on the Government Oversight Subcommittee that specifically has jurisdiction over the Department of Defense (and the Central Intelligence Agency) knows intimately of the waste that takes place there with the development of new nuclear weapons and known fraud with the development of the missile shield program so if we eliminate the fraud, no problem cutting 15%


Good points for mentioning we need to get out of Iraq now, that it's already cost us over $155 Billion spent in 9 months and that he's the
only candidate calling for US out of Iraq- detailed plan on his web-site .

His plan will have the troops home in 90 days saving a lot of money and troop lives

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

41. Finally someone brings it up

He kept the focus on how much Iraq was costing us too.

[Brian_Expat]

21. Media's hopping on Dean

He's doing a good job parlaying these hostile questions.

Dean slams Lieberman! "Senator Lieberman said we're safer. But since Saddam has been caught we've lost 20 troops, and we have for the first time FIGHTER JETS escorting commercial airliners. We should have been going after Osama bin Laden."

[Brian_Expat]

27. Lieberman is comparing Saddam to Stalin and Hitler

And saying we're safer with him out of power. :eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

34. He's right, except Saadam was not as dangerous...

I mean the guy was living underground in fear for his life.

[Hoppin_Mad]

55. Why not compare him to American supported dictators like Pinochet

Somosa and The Shah ?

We supported tham ALL.

Only now do the hypocritcal war mongerers pretend to care about 'human rights'

[maddezmom]

23. they all seem reserved today n/t

[cryofan]

26. Notice they ask follow up questions of Dean, thus giving him more time?

Again and again, the media favors Dean!

[Brian_Expat]

28. Au contraire

The media is slamming Dean with hostile questions and throwing softballs to everyone else.

[Gingersnap]

33. maybe the strategy is to give more space to him,

even if it is to attack, to distract the public with the "dem rivals drama" and drama about Dean so that Dean has to address this shit and everyone else's message doesn't get out. They all lose this way.

[Brian_Expat]

38. They just gave Edwards a follow-up too

I think they're just trying to get clarifications from various candidates.

[Gingersnap]

50. I can't watch, but if it is true they asked Dean a very

negative question and are asking the others policy questions or questions about Dean, then it does seem "someone" wants to control what is memorable about the debates. I think the "take-home" points they want are:
It's everyone against Dean
Dean hates Bush, or his supporters do
They all hate each other
there are too many of them


and debates are set up accordingly.

[newsguyatl]

44. are you fucking kidding me?!?!

they're attacking dean already! with those inflammatory questions... they're trying already to get him on the defense...


edwards got a follow-up question, too... guess that means he's being pampered by the media too, huh? :eyes:

what a **** observation....

[Hoppin_Mad]

29. F*** Lieberman - He just played the nazi red herring in attacking Dean

Scumbag

edit spelling

[killbotfactory]

36. He invoked Godwin's law

He loses.

[goobergunch]

39. /me chuckles (n/t)

:evilgrin:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

45. ha ha good point

:)

[stopbush]

40. Yep. Lieberman is a total low-life...An R barely disguised as a D

I wish he'd just shut the f*ck up!

[NoPasaran]

31. Leiberman couldn't wait to slam Dean

[Brian_Expat]

35. Edwards' follow-up question

He is doing very well! I am impressed.

[Brian_Expat]

42. GO CAROL II!

"Unlike Bush I who said 'no new taxes,' Bush II is saying 'no new jobs!'" :D

[revcarol]

62. She sure got a long time to do an education session.

IMHO. Is anyone keeping track of the time.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

47. Kerry: "I will never privatize Social Security"

Excellent, good job!

[Brian_Expat]

48. Kerry's economy answer not as good as CMB's. n/t

[poskonig]

51. Kucinich looks smart and relaxed.

eom

[newsguyatl]

52. kucinich

oustanding so far!

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Tax on so called rich

CNN really needs to have its primadonas go work for minimum pay
from time to time to remember that if you make over 200,000 you are not upper class but you are well on your way to go rich.

[bearfartinthewoods]

57. GO GET'EM DK!!!!!

[Brian_Expat]

58. Lieberman supports farm subsidies

What a shock! :wow:

Oh, and Lieberman is standing up for GATT and "free trade."

[Tinoire]

59. Kucinich on taxes / tax cuts

steel worker making $40,000/yr has the same tax burden as someone making $400,000/yr at the same time that we're cutting funds for social programs (vets programs, education, etc) making it even worse for normal people.

A+



Need to cancel Bush tax cuts

need to recognize how this war in Iraq has destroyed our budget and as long as we remain there this serious drain on our nation's budget will continue

A+

[Gingersnap]

66. GO DENNIS GO!

Every cent I have donated has been repaid by his getting out the real issues in the debates. It's so great to have a progressive voice in there!

[Brian_Expat]

61. Dean on trade policies

"I believe that NAFTA and the WTO only globalized the rights of corporations, not workers. . . " "That needs to happen!"

"We need a level playing field."

Consistent regulations around the world will not "disadvantage exports."

"The money should go to farmers, not big corporations."

[poskonig]

63. Gephardt seems rattled.

It seems like he is working really hard with his delivery, like he is nervous or something. Usually is he not like this.

[maddezmom]

64. Edwards taking it to Gep

don't distort the record of votes.

[poskonig]

65. The front-runners are beating up on second tier dudes.

Dean went after Lieberman, Gephardt is going after Edwards.

Interesting strategy.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

67. Ooh, Edwards put Gephardt in his place

Edwards is doing great, but I hope he doesn't get too defensive ... good job of distinguishing himself.

At least the candidates are on the defensive about their corporate whoring! Go Edwards!

[Tinoire]

68. Gephardt A+ on trade policy

gave points to Kucinich too. Says he and DK are only ones who voted against NAFTA.

Gephardt and Kucinich really do deserve Labor's support.

First time I've had anything good to say re Gephardt in a long time.

Ouch Edwards zinging Gephardt for voting for Fast Track and pointing out that NAFTA vote was before his watch.

Edwards did a damn good job defending himself

Gephardt, yes NAFTA was before your watch but Edwards you voted for the China Agreement and that had a bad impact on your own state.... 60,000 jobs lost because of that- biggest textile mfr closed over that.

[Brian_Expat]

69. Edwards slamming trade agreements! Wow. Edwards slams Gep!

The DLC will not be happy with him.

EDWARDS SLAMMING GEPHARDT! :wow:

"Congressman Gephardt unfairly lumping me in with everyone else."

WOW

Gep: "Congressman, you weren't in Congress for the NAFTA vote."

Edwards: "But you said I voted for it!"

Gep: "I understand that."

Edwards: "You understand that?!?!"

*Crowd laughter*

[poskonig]

70. Kucinich is reverting back to shrill mode.

eom

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

71. Kucinich: "My first act in Congress"

Will you cancel NAFTA??? Go DK!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

76. Is CMB trying to buy in?

What with the anti-protectionism bash?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

92. Dean: Bush's Tax Increase on the middle class

Good job Dean, nice answer.

[revcarol]

96. Trying to gaff Kucinich and Gephart,

especially Kucinich. Implying that if Nafta repealed, this would be protectionism...But DK said we should go to bi-lateral trade agreements...
Would be great if we could have bilateral trade agreement with CHINA. oH, WHAT A VISION.

[Brian_Expat]

72. Hahahaha, Karry slamming Gep too!

"For many years, Dick Gephardt has stood up and said 'I am for free trade.'" Hahahahaha!

So much for the "beat up on Dean" fear. :)

[Tinoire]

73. Kucinich NAFTA

3 million manufacturing jobs lost in this country

Cancel NAFTA and WTO. says he heard Dean talk about NAFTA in an earlier answer but Dean "will you pull out of NAFTA and the WTO"?

I didn't like Dean's earlier answer when he talked about NAFTA/WTO... that what we needed to add to it was the globalized right to protest and etc stuff that I don't think would fix the problem. Hope someone captured Dean's earlier response

[Brian_Expat]

74. GO CAROL III!

"Isn't this an issue of balance?"

"We need to balance protectionism with free trade."

[NoPasaran]

75. Amazing! Lieberman mentioned Bush*

Before going back to slamming other Democrats

[poskonig]

77. Dean looks solid today.

eom

[Brian_Expat]

78. Dean stands up and takes it on!

"Nobody on this stage is for protectionism."

Gep slams Dean, weakly afterwards.

[Tinoire]

79. Dean speaking quite well

Don't always like the depth of the answer (yes I'm HARSH lol) but they are good answers today- good centered answers.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

97. Dean did good on NAFTA

He mentioned a key issue - the FTAs protect corporations and profits, but have no protections for people (thanks to people like Dean).

Good answer.

[BootinUp]

80. I think Edwards is doing very well.

[wndycty]

83. Yes. . .Edwards and CMB are looking good.

:kick:

[Padraig18]

81. Daen's NAFTA/WTO answer was GREAT! He looks good today.

:)

[bearfartinthewoods]

89. he ducked DK's question though

[Padraig18]

82. Dean is on FIRE today! Good tax-cut answers!

:thumbsup:

[Tinoire]

98. He is but he spent more time talking about Bush did

than saying what he would do. they had to ask him the question a second time. I think that's something he needs to watch from this point forward now that he's a solid contender otherwise he'll come across more as the Bush-basher than the guy who can fix things. Hope that makes sense. I thought his other answers were much better because he really answered the question. They're all doing good today. Well, not Lieberman, poor thing- he's made a few valid points but is too irritating.

[NoPasaran]

84. Dean: There was no middle class tax cut

[Padraig18]

94. he's right!

the was a net INCREASE on middle-class taxpayers. The only 'cut' was $304 in federal taxes-- state and local taxes went up.

[democratreformed]

101. State and local taxes will NOT go back down

when federal taxes are raised to prior levels. This will result in even larger taxes on the middle class, IMO.

[Tinoire]

85. Dean - Tax cuts

what tax relief are you proposing for working-class and middle-class families...

talks about all Bush did to destroy but please move on to real answer
please

so she asks question again

we will have a program for tax fairness... I will balance the budget in the 6th or 7th year of my administration - all laugh- did I catch that right?

[Brian_Expat]

86. Laugh was at Dean getting interrupted by moderators

For going over time.

[Dookus]

90. Really?

I thought it was because he claimed he'd balance the budget in the 6th or 7th year of his administration.

[Brian_Expat]

99. Not my interpretation. . .

Feel free to differ.

[Dookus]

105. I do... thanks for the permission...

considering the moderators interrupt ALL the candidates, and so far none of it has engendered a chuckle.

[NashVegas]

107. I'm Hoping That was Intentional

If nothing else, a statement like that is going to get you a headline somewhere.

[windansea]

93. uh huh sureeeeeeeeeee n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

87. Yes, that is exactly what he said.

:)

[windansea]

88. doooooooooooooooo

the 6th or 7th year of my administration

[incapsulated]

91. Well, Dean just made himself look foolish

They were actually laughing at him and his "we will give tax cuts in the sixth or seventh year of my administration...", while he said "what? what?" as they laughed. <edit:balance the buget, not tax cuts..>

Oy vey.

[bearfartinthewoods]

95. the audienced LAUGHED when dean said "the sixth or seventh year

of my administration. did i miss something?

[in_cog_ni_to]

103. No,

He said he was going to balance the budget in the 6th or 7th year of his administration and the audience laughed at him.

[hellhathnofury]

109. I wonder where the audience would find the $500 billion.

[incapsulated]

104. Yes

read accounts above. He was doing well up till that.

[bearfartinthewoods]

100. i bet the freeps are NOT enjoying this!

[Brian_Expat]

106. Tax cuts are inconclusive "majority" as is Iraq war. n/t

[BootinUp]

102. Dean bloodied - falls back on Vermont

Is this going to work. Me thinks not.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

108. He is showing his excutive strength

He is showing that he's not talk but he puts things into action.

[Brian_Expat]

111. I don't think he was bloodied at all.

He's doing quite well, and he's right about being the only on stage to balance a budget.

[bearfartinthewoods]

110. PLEASE START A NEW THREAD!

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