Democratic debate...thread 2

[Moderator]

Link to thread 1:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=60866


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[incapsulated]

1. Edwards and Gephart

Are doing pretty well so far, I think.

[bearfartinthewoods]

9. geph nailed dean on the FEDERAL budget line

[TeacherCreature]

22. Gephardt could nail a board

with a nail gun

[bearfartinthewoods]

2. THANX MODS!!!!

[Alex146]

3. Edwards is being all honest...

good for him

[Tinoire]

6. Edwards oozes sincerity, caring and intelligence. I love that n/t

[Tinoire]

4. I like this debate. All doing well!

They ALL come across today. Except for Lieberman- riding too much on Clinton. Someone needs to tell the DLC to get a clue. Clinton is not in vogue this election and this should be apparent to them with all the time we spend talking about the disastrous effects of NAFTA/WTO

A+ to all of them. All making sense. (well with the normal caveat, minus 1)

[BootinUp]

5. Edwards on Fire

He is in the spoiler role and kickin. The truth meter!

[Brian_Expat]

12. My opinion of Edwards is soaring in this debate! n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

13. i like that...the truth meter!

[Padraig18]

7. Everyone is doing well!

Best debate yet! :)

[poskonig]

8. This debate seems more professional without Sharpton.

Rev Al is great, but his absence makes all of our candidates look better.

[DemNoir]

11. Great Point

I was thinking the same thing

[Tinoire]

19. I disagree- The moderators in this one have set a better tone

a more serious tone that was missing from the other ones

[incapsulated]

21. I agree

What a relief, real moderators!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

35. agree on the moderators, they are doing a good job

Seriously, compared to the CBC debates and Ted Copell, this is actually a real debate.

[ecstatic]

38. Also, the mods have kept nonissues like Confed. flag to a minimum

during this discussion. They did sneak in a few irrelevant attacks on Dean though (i.e. question about how he hated Bush more than the terrorists).

[JI7]

24. it could be the non whore moderaters

isn't it local news people moderating ? they tend to be more objective from what i see. cnn reporters most likely would have been whorish and ruined it.

[stopbush]

10. So they laughed when Dean said he'd balance the budget in 6 to 7

years.

I guess that the correct answer is to LIE and say that you can balance the budget in 6-7 months. So much for realistic and honest answers!

Jeebuz. Ask the other candidates how long it would take them to undo the damage done by bush and balance the budget.

[Brian_Expat]

14. I don't think it's going to be a big deal either way. n/t

[Padraig18]

16. They laughed at Clinton, too.

No one laid a glove on him, any way, so 'no blood, no foul'. :)

[incapsulated]

17. It was a dumb answer

Take the lumps and move on...

[stopbush]

32. Actually, it was a half-answer as the moderator cut him

off and said they needed to move on while Dean was mid-sentence.

I don't mind the question or the laugh, but give the guy a chance to respond.

[hellhathnofury]

18. He should have listed teh numbers.

[w13rd0]

20. It will take at least that long...

...to undo the damage Bush has done to this nation, its treasury, policies and alliances...

[Tinoire]

23. It came across a little cocky because he hasn't even won the first electio

and saying he'll get it done in 6-7 years comes across as if it's a given he'll be a two-termer. He's GOT to watch that.

[Gingersnap]

50. yeah, it's called hubris

I think Bush can get away with arrogance because he "balances' that out with down-home-folksy illiteracy the rest of the time. But with Dean, this could be a problem (or for any of the candidates).

[TeacherCreature]

73. oh come on

They all say "when I am president" kucinich just sait it too and we all know he isn't getting anywhere near the whitehouse.

[DFLforever]

26. Dean will need two terms to clean up the Bush mess

He's being candid, per usual... I hope we give him two terms.

[bearfartinthewoods]

28. it's the only answer that got a laugh......

i find that odd...that dean saying "the sixth or seventh year of my administraion" got a really big laugh.

[TeacherCreature]

78. the answer is not what got the laugh

I hope you are taping so that you can watch again and get it right.

[pezcore64]

29. hum

Im pretty sure they were laughing at the fact he was implying he'd have two terms ;)

not to sure tho :b

[Tinoire]

15. Kucinich - Health Plan

Q. Wouldn't all those people in Iowa in Health Care industry lose their jobs because of your plan?


No they wouldn't lose their jobs, we need their expertise to process all that paperwork

Apria Health $16 million
Anthem $15.8 million

Health Care execs miling system and people not getting care

Health Care needs to be number 1 domestic priority

will lead to single payer universal health care for all as President.

[twilight]

27. DK looking real sharp today!

Makes me just reaffirm my support for him - notice how many of the candidates keep referring to Dennis? I have!



DENNIS J. KUCINICH FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004!!!

Every person makes a difference! :D

:dem: :kick:

[MidwestMomma]

80. Great answer

I work in the Health Insurance industry and that's what I told my co-workers one day. We should be for a single-payor system. They'd still need us to process claims and we'd get better pay and benefits working for the government. What's not to like?

The only people that would suffer would be the insurance executives like Dennis pointed out. Good job Dennis!!

[LatteLib]

94. Yes! Dennis did a great job with his answer

and bringing out the profit margins of the greedy privately owned health insurance top tier earners was wonderful. I loved it!
Dennis is awesome!

[stopbush]

25. Kerry sounding GREAT on the Mad Cow scandal.

He needs to stick to HIS solutions when he answers.

[Padraig18]

30. he did great on that one!

Kudos, Senator Kerry!

[JI7]

34. he released a great solution for it

not long after the news broke about the mad cow found, he released a very good, though long and detailed solution for how to deal with it.

[ecstatic]

31. About Dean getting laughed at

after stating he'd have the budget balanced in his 6th or 7th year of office...

I think Dean made a mistake by telling an impatient American audience the truth about how long it would take to undo Bush's damage. People want to hear that the budget will be balanced by next year, not almost two terms from now. Unfortunately, the public showed their immaturity when they chose to laugh at a politician with the balls to tell the truth. I guess its best to talk in circles and never tell the truth about how long it will take to get certain things done.

[NashVegas]

47. If Bush is the Reason

for that statement, then I disagree about how wise it was.

Otherwise, my jury's out.

[robbedvoter]

52. Maybe a bit of presumptiousness too: assuming 2 terms at this stage

For the rest of us sounds funny.

[newyawker99]

33. The correct link to thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=60866

[Padraig18]

36. Hi, newyawker99!

:hi:

[newyawker99]

97. Hi Padraig!!

:hi:

[poskonig]

37. The laugh wasn't a big deal.

Dean said he expected to be the nominee in a debate last summer and got a similar laugh.

I think the antiDeans here are making a big deal about this. People laughed when the moderator made a comment about Kerry talking over, but you don't see candidate supporters making a big deal about this.

[Brian_Expat]

39. The people posting the most about it. . .

. . . are the regular suspects. :)

[JNelson6563]

46. mmm hmm

getting boingly predictable.

Other than that I think the debate and the DU threads are going well.

Go Dems! :toast:

Julie

[adamrsilva]

44. Only people who are gonna care about what Dean said

are conservative pundits, just like everything else. The debate is going very well. Dean is doing fine (he just got a clap). Edwards is doing his best. I liked Gephardt's response on drugs and Kerry's response on mad cow.

[adamrsilva]

51. Ooh, Carol is going against Dennis

Is she trying to be more moderate?

[Tinoire]

40. Kucinich - Child Care

child care providers not certified and teachers for youngsters too


Says he introduced legislation for full access to free child care 5 days a week so young kids could get early reading skills, care, proper nutrition.


This program would cost $60 billion which can easily be funded with the 15% cut from the Pentagon's wasteful spending

Bush budget cutting funds and education will be cut again so we can't afford this mess in Iraq which has already cost us $155 million so far
or to continue with the Pentagon's $400 million/yr expanding budget. We need to get out of Iraq now so we can rescue our domestic capabilities.

A+

[Padraig18]

41. Dean: "We need a Democrat who will stand up to George Bush!"

Great line!

[BootinUp]

42. Dean going into populist mode

Attacking the washington guys who were co-opted by the Bushies.

[bearfartinthewoods]

48. and geph reminds him that harkin and kennedy serve in DC too.

oouucch

[Brian_Expat]

43. Dean's position on education

Oppose "No Child Left Behind."

"An unbelievable intrusive mandate -- a teacher I talked to was told she was unqualified after 23 years of high match and science scores!"

OOOOOH -- hit on Bush losing popular vote to Gore, too.

All the candidates are spending time attacking Bush.

Except Gephardt's lame response -- Dean hates Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton and Tom Harkin. :eyes:

[Hawkeye-X]

49. When Harkin endorses Dean in IA

Gephardt will eat crow.

Hawkeye-X

[hellhathnofury]

56. Gephardt must be worried about that. Thank God.

[Tinoire]

45. Gephardt making good points about the good all the Dems up there

currently in Congress have done so far in stopping some Bush programs such as putting more arsenic in the water etc so Dean please stop saying we did nothing/

[Brian_Expat]

53. WOW JOHN EDWARDS ROCKS!

"This election is more about beating George Bush."

"I am an outsider!"

[Brian_Expat]

61. CMB hitting others, Go Carol, go!

Dennis: "No cut and run in Iraq! Lay that bill down on Bush's feet."

"Howard, I agree with your opposition to unfunded mandates!"

WOW!

[Padraig18]

54. CMB: "I opposed the war too, Dennis!" n/t

[poskonig]

55. Carol is pissed!

Damn!

[BootinUp]

57. Edwards pointing out

he is newer to politics has newer ideas. Talked about College for everyone willing to work 10 hours.

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. I'm sorry but, Dean is a horrible speaker.

His speech pattern is TOO fast and BROKEN. He speaks is broken phrases and it drives me nuts. :crazy: He is constantly stumbling over his words. Sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow down Howard. Just a suggestion.

[poskonig]

63. I think Dean sounds real.

To each his own.

[ecstatic]

68. A HUGE step up from Bush though

Its the message that counts.

[TeacherCreature]

85. how does Clark sound?

Oh I forgot he isn't there.

[Tinoire]

59. Braun Jeez I wish I had captured that- She just put them all straight!

not that I agree with staying in Iraq but good for her!

[incapsulated]

whoa, lookit Carol...

On Offense! Got applause on Iraq and overall!

[maddezmom]

66. CMB

lay the bill at bush's* feet!! Go Carol!!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

60. and they wanted to keep Carol out of the debates?

You must be kidding me!!!

[bain_sidhe]

62. Carol for VP!

No matter WHO the nominee is!

[Alex146]

64. CMB just bitchslaped the debate people!

Nice!

[w13rd0]

65. I just started watching...

...will have to rewatch from the beginning, but seems a better debate. More civil, better moderators, actually talking about policy proposals. They just cut off Edwards, but I think he had a good point going. Just because someone enters Washington doesn't make them bad or good, it's what they do with their time there.

CMB is tearing up a rug right now. I admit, I really like her. I don't know that she's viable as the top of a ticket, but she's be great in a Democratic administration. She does a good job of keeping it real and civil.

Dennis now talking about getting out of Iraq.

Yeah, much better debate than others I've seen.

[cryofan]

89. Amen! Not one single question on polls, or campaign donations!

This is an EXCELLENT debate! Everyone is making great points. MUCH better questions than the Koppel debacle.

CMB is doing great. I could vote for her....

[stopbush]

67. CMB on Fire! Slap those whores for not giving you your time!

The iron fist cloaked in a velvet glove.

She has a snowball's chance at the nomination, but she should be on everyone's short list for a major Cabinet position.

[Brian_Expat]

70. Amen. Perhaps even VP position! n/t

[TeacherCreature]

short list for VP

come on, let's honor the spirit of our campaign and show some guts. She should be on the shgort list for VP.
The repugs would put Condy there in a minute and show us up for our gutlessness if they could get rid of Dick Cheney.

[incapsulated]

69. They are *all* going at Dean

On his slams at "them" in DC...

[Northwind]

71. Kind of funny

The other 8 are actually attacking each other as much or more as they are Dean. Only Edwards is staying out of it to any extent, but even he is stepping in to correct misleading statements by others. Dean is able to sit back and look Presidential while the others squabble. Priceless.

The story so far:

Lieberman - looks like an angry gnome, talking like a Republican
Kucinich - saying good thinsg which will unfortuantely be forgotten by the end of the debate. Is looking much more collected these days.
Gephardt - Attacking everyone. Looking desperate and scared. Want to make it him against Dean, but cannot make anything stick.
Kerry - Saying the same damn thing, in the same damn tone, with the same damn expression as he has all year. Kerry, thy name is irrelevent.
CMB - Looking good. Saying great things, as always.
Edwards- looks GREAT today. Seems totally reasonable and very positive.
Dean - Looks Presidential, collected, calm, and cool. Deflecting all attacks without breaking a sweat. He is already the winner iun this debate, simply by virtue of staying above the dirty efforts of Gephardt and Lieberman.
Clark - absent. And irrelevent in this. he may as well not exist as far as this debate goes. he killed himself by sitting it out.
Sharpton- absent, why?

[TheDonkey]

72. Did everyone see Braun get fired up!?1 Damn don't piss her off

Braun and Edwards are on fire.

Dean seems to be ignored (except by Lieberman and Gep).

They are all doing a better job of beating up on Bush and supporting each other. Keep it up guys and gal.

[Brian_Expat]

82. Gep getting a bit more fired up about education. n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

74. Edwards own the education issue.....

hands down.

[NoPasaran]

84. Edwards

Two public education systems: one for the affluent, one for the disadvantaged. Good one

[hellhathnofury]

75. As a high schooler, Edwards is coming near to being my #2 pick.

Education!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

76. Damn, Edwards is cleaning up

I always knew he was good, but damn! :bounce:

[incapsulated]

77. Edwards is really impressing me! n/t

[w13rd0]

79. I like Edwards response...

...on education. If he doesn't get the nomination, since he's not running for Senate again, I'd LOVE to see him take over the DOJ from John Ashcroft.

[hellhathnofury]

83. Me too. He needs to stay in politics.

He could run in 2012.

[Bucky]

81. This format is much better than any I've seen.

I don't know who this moderator is, but he's worlds better than the ego driven pretty faces we've seen up to now. None of the silliness of before and lots of time allowed to the candidates both to respond to personal charges from opponents and to lay out their own positions clearly.

It helps a lot that their focusing on issues. Koppel should go to school.

[Hawkeye-X]

91. The major difference is that the moderators

are Iowans public broadcasters, not some corporate shill.

I think for each debates on the states, they should do it the same way the Iowans did.. and doing it EXTREMELY well.

Hawkeye-X

[DFLforever]

96. Moderator is editor-in-chief of the Des Moines Register

Last name is Anger.

[Padraig18]

86. Edwards looks good, Dean looks presidential and Gephart desperate...

Just my impression, so far...

[Brian_Expat]

87. Dean

"The president has CREATED a national security problem in Iraq."

Also stuck up for Kucinich and defended him against "pull out" attacks.

[Padraig18]

90. Dean is doing VERY well today!

:thumbsup:

[revcarol]

103. Dean blew it on al Qaeda question.

Said that no al Qaeda when war started, but NOW there is al Qaeda in Iraq so we have to stay.
EVIDENCE, ANYONE?

[bain_sidhe]

105. Dean is doing well!

(allow me a moment for a small sigh of relief)

Ahhhhhh.

Ok, I'm much more sanguine over the notion that he might AND I REPEAT, MIGHT be the nominee. I confess, I tuned in mostly to see how he would handle himself if it turned into a "beat on Dean" session. So far, it hasn't really been that, although there's been a few shots taken. But he's doing well.

[teach1st]

88. Edwards on Education - Wow!

But honestly, can any President send his or her children to public school given security concerns?

[bearfartinthewoods]

102. Carter did

.

[teach1st]

113. Before terrorism exploded. I suppose it's possible.. N/T

[stopbush]

92. GREAT answer from Dean on the Iraq War and his differences with DK

stating his position while also giving DK his props and REFUTING the way the whore moderator mis-characterized DK's position.

Gotta love that. Dean refuses to blindly attack the others and do the bidding of the whores.

[w13rd0]

93. Dean responded about Iraq...

...and I'd like to point out that he tried to clarify the misrepresentation of DKs position, stating that DK wasn't proposing a pullout, he just wanted it to be more gradual in transition than what DK advocated (i.e. it isn't cut and run).

Lieberman is speaking now, and I'm falling asleep.

Question about achievement gap to CMB.

[Tinoire]

95. Dean re Iraq occupation vs Kucinich's plan to leave

saying Al-Queda is in Iraq now and we can't pull out now which is a US national security problem so need occupation, then build Iraqi govt/infrastructure and then leave

Kudos to him for adding that Kucinich is not saying to pull out and leave a vacuum but to bring the UN in and let the rebuilding be doen under UN auspices vs US.

[w13rd0]

109. I think Dean realizes that it does him no good...

...to attack Kucinich. Dean is now saying that he will vigorously support the Democratic nominee, asks for a show of hands, and they ALL SHOW HANDS! WAY TO GO!

I know it was a trick question, and the moderators said he was a "facilitator", nice back and forth. I'll look for the looks on faces when I watch the replay. Haha...

CMB addressing a question to Edwards.

Yeah, why can't all the debates be more like this?

[in_cog_ni_to]

98. I LOVE this moderator!

He's KEWL!

[DemNoir]

111. No Kidding

A journalist that is professional and respectful, whats the world coming to?

[incapsulated]

99. Candidate smackdown time, heh. :) n/t

[TheDonkey]

100. This is an interesting round? Canidate Q&A (nt)

[BootinUp]

101. Dean offering a fig leaf

to democrats

[incapsulated]

112. This is definately in response

To the recent heat he's been getting about being devisive.

[Tinoire]

104. Dean to all candidates

I will vigorously support whomever is the nominee should it not be me and urge my supporters to do so then GRACIOUSLY cedes the balance of his time to Braun.

Good move. Very good.

[Padraig18]

106. AWESOME! Dean is EXPLICITLY ABB, and so is everyone else!

Giving CMB the balance of his time was a CLASS move, too! :)

[Brian_Expat]

107. Go DEAN!

"Who will pledge like me to vigorously support the Democratic nominee whoever it is. Who will join me?"

"I cede balance of my time to Carol because she got shortchanged by the process!"

Dean rocks! :bounce:

[stopbush]

108. OMG! Dean nails the others on supporting ANY Dem candidate

and then cedes HIS remaining time to CMB because she was shortchanged by the mods!

Dean has got it DOWN!

[JNelson6563]

120. That was truly brilliant

I loved it. Dean getting everyone to agree to ABB. heh heh

Julie

[hellhathnofury]

110. Clark is really missing out.

1. Dean
2. Edwards

3. CMB


4. DK



5. Kerry
6. Gephardt

[Jerseycoa]

114. Edwards

He is just super today.

Here's Lieberman; I had forgotten he was there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

115. Lieberman on Dean's sealed Vermont records.

ruh, roh!

[carrowsboy]

116. Lieberman obsessed

Does he have a hard-on for Dean or what???

[Dover]

117. I wish they would comment on the Patriot Act expansion passed this month

...and where they stand on the Patriot Acts in general.

[Moderator]

118. I started a thread 3

Please continue here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=61237


DU Moderator

[Brian_Expat]

119. Lieberman slamming Dean on sealed governor records. . .

. . . bash bash bash bash bash bash! :bounce: