Democratic Debate.....Thread 3

[Moderator]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=61071

[BootinUp]

1. Lieberman offers a pen to Dean to sign agreement to unseal

his records! Pretty nasty

[Jack_Dawson]

3. I hate Lieberman

He has no shot and is trying to take down the whole party.

[Turtleboy22]

49. Or maybe

he's trying to save the party. Just like you think you are by supporting Clark.

[goobergunch]

51. Save the party from who?

People who opposed the war?

[Turtleboy22]

71. From

Not only losing the White House by a huge electoral margin, but more Senate seats, more House Seats, and more governerships, when the country rises up and votes against Dean.

[goobergunch]

74. Dean has offered a plan for taking back the House

I haven't seen Lieberman do that.

And it should be remembered that nothing in the future is definite.

[everdene]

4. Joe, would you like some cheese?

[Padraig18]

6. Someone should jst SLAP Liberman in the head!

What a cheap stunt! :grr:

[killbotfactory]

40. Joe will whine and bitch his way to the oval office!

Bitch bitch bitch...
moan moan moan...
Dean Dean Dean...

[killbotfactory]

Kerry is flat out lying

Screw him.

[hellhathnofury]

2. Because there are legal issues joe.

[w13rd0]

5. Dean now addressing Liebermans attack...

...granted, his response isn't exactly what I would like. And of course Lieberman comes back and attacks again. Haha, does Lieberman get his material from DU?

[Gingersnap]

13. Lieberman is a disruptor

I think he's accepting money from the RNC or something. Or he really, really is out of touch.

[Turtleboy22]

55. Out of touch...

with who?

With DU? Certainly.

With the rest of the party? With America?

I don't know.

[JNelson6563]

7. Dean's records

Question from Lieberman. Dean says it's all been submitted to a judge and Dean will abide by judges decision.

Lieberman says not good enough. How can we take on Bush if you won't open records? Says his own are open to view. Like his slimiest moments are on the record. Insists Dean is ducking the question.

Dean said it is up to the judge.

Moderator asks them to take it outside. haha

Julie

[WillyT]

56. Did You Hear Lieberman's Response To "Take It Outside" ???

It was barely audible cause it was kinda 'off mike', but Lieberman said, "I'm ready." I think he laughed afterward, but...

What An Ass!!!

:mad:

[trof]

69. I second that emotion!

Dorky is as dorky does.
I can't believe he's a senator.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Dean on his sealed records.

He's putting it on "personal" things such as...Civil Unions letters. He has left it up to a judge.

Lieberman says that's not good enough. Why should a judge have to force YOU to open YOUR records?

Lieberman is out for blood. Surprise!

[Zynx]

14. Nobody gives a crap about that issue anymore.

It died weeks ago.

[JPJones]

27. I still care EOM

[Zynx]

30. I should have said everyone except hard core Dean opponents.

[robbedvoter]

36. I do. It's a voter's right.

[Name removed]

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[incapsulated]

10. Lol, that was interesting!

Lieberman vs. Dean!

[bearfartinthewoods]

11. dean ducks lieverman's challengo to open his sealed records

"you have the power to unseal those records with a stroke of a pen.
Here is a pen"

and points out how it will handicap us against bush.

why force a judge to force you to do the right thing/

modrator stops it with "take it outside"

[Padraig18]

19. it wasn't a question--it was a cheap political STUNT!

Does anyone here now not DESPISE Lieberman? :grr:

[Tinoire]

32. It's a valid question but you're right that it was a cheap stunt

I do want Dean's records available for examination. Black out the names and other personal info (which is automatically done) and fork them over.

[stopbush]

89. Lieberman is trying to create an issue where none exists

and, unfortunately, Kerry jumps on the bandwagon.

[TeacherCreature]

12. Joe Lieberman sucks eggs

Is there a democrat who doesn't dispise this man now?

[TeacherCreature]

25. now I pretty much hate DK too

what a snippy little creep.
I am sorry, I would love single payer healthcare. Dean is right, that is not going to happen in the first step. But DK must attack, what else is he going to do?

[BuelahWitch]

102. DK has forgotten "Harry and Louise"

Unfortunately I remember them well. :eyes:

[TheDonkey]

15. Lieberman needs to stop! wow...

I was not happy to first hear about Dr. Dean's secret documents but he handled the question VERY well.

Lieberman's constant nagging and crying was wrong and shameful.

[carrowsboy]

16. Lieberman really embarassing himself now

He has a major hard-on for Dean and it is sickening.

Loved Dean's response that if someone is gay and doesn't want that info made public, than it is a privacy issue.

I'm sure LIEberman just loves the Patriot Act, too. Fucking pig.

[Turtleboy22]

76. Is Sen Lieberman

immune from the DU rules about making fun of a candidates name, and using an insulting nickname for a candidate?

[goobergunch]

82. Just hit alert if you believe that a post is in violation (n/t)

[Bucky]

17. Well, Dean handled that pretty good I thought.

But still, Go Wesley!

[bearfartinthewoods]

70. hey...i just notice...clark isn't there??? wha'happened

hmmm..i just realized i didn't miss him...whooops.

[Brian_Expat]

18. Dean

"If someone tells me they're gay, why should that be disclosed to your campaign Joe."

Also, "Dennis, if someone wants single-payer health insurance, they should vote for you or Carol."

[poskonig]

20. Dean is *very* well-prepped today.

Looks presidential.

[incapsulated]

21. Kucinich vs. Dean

toss-up.

[Tinoire]

22. Lieberman vs Dean on sealed records

Most troubling decision HD made in this campaign is to seal his records. This troubles me. People of VT and US have a right to know.
Have in my hand an MOU between you and sec of state.

Lieberman: Dean you have the power to open your records with one stroke of pen. Why will you not open your records?

Dean: More than half my records are open. This is a common thing to seal. There are letters from people in there when the civil-union bill was being passed.

AG of state of VT is going to court and judge is free to release whatever he wants

Lieberman: why are you forcing a judge to do what you know is right. Privacy is protected even if your records are opened. How can you take on Bush/Cheney who've run the most secretive campaign in history if you refuse to open your own records?

Whew... just went round and round on that one.

That was not a cool question but still a fair one because it just doesn't look right no matter what. Dean handled it well. Damn though- not Dean but the incident.

[JNelson6563]

23. Kucinich question for Dean too

About health care plans. Dean says if someone's only issue is single-payer health care they should vote for DK or CMB.

Kucinich insists Dean must try to achieve it. Dean says Carter couldn't do it, Clinton couldn't do it and something must be accomplished. The we can talk reform.

Gephardt starts his question to Dean thanking him for getting everyone behind the Gephardt candidacy. haha

Julie

[JNelson6563]

33. I thought it odd they weren't doing a dog-pile

turns out I was premature. haha

Ah, Edwards takes on Gephardt. CMB took a whack at Edwards inthe first question.

Wonder who Kerry will ask a question of. LOL

Julie

[tridim]

38. "Wonder who Kerry will ask a question of"

Dean Dean Dean... :)

[hellhathnofury]

24. How many Dean questions is that?

[Zynx]

26. A couple hundred.

;)

[Alex146]

28. They all know he is going to win

these are last gasp efforts to take Dean down.

Losers.

[hellhathnofury]

He's winning this round too.

They have inflicted no damage and made themselves look desperate and foolish.

[incapsulated]

29. Gephart vs. Dean on Medicare

I think Geph scored some hits on his Medicare Mishap.

[WillyT]

31. So Far, Everybody, Except Carol, Is Ackowledging Dean The Frontrunner !!!

Wonder if they realize that.

OK, and Edwards.

LOL!!!

:shrug:

[dogman]

34. No Wit, No Wisdom

No Sharpton, No Clark

[goobergunch]

37. FYI - your sig is misspelled

You have "Cark" instead of "Clark".

[dogman]

72. Thanks

[goobergunch]

No prob (n/t)

[maddezmom]

41. I miss them both :-(

[Bucky]

43. Amen

But Dean's handling the heat pretty good. He trounced Lieberman, and hit a draw with Gephardt.

[trof]

35. Oh hell. OK...Lieberman is SUCH a dork.

My very first reply in GD Primaries and I know I'll regret it.
So Dean doesn't give the answer Lieberman wants so it's "not acceptable"? What a putz.

"take it outside"
funny
"I'm willing"
dorky dumb putzy
I really wish he would. Dean would clean his clock, which, IMHO, sorely NEEDS cleaning. And so what? I hate blowhards and Holy Joe is a blowhard of the nth degree.

OK, whup me, beat me, make me write bad checks.
:grr:

[Padraig18]

39. gee, I wonder who kerry will question?

NOT! :eyes:

[Padraig18]

LOL!

I was right! :P

[hellhathnofury]

44. DK? :)

[TeacherCreature]

OOOps Kerry

I love it that all these little poodle ankle bitters are asking Dean questions. I love how petty they look when they follow up.
Kerry is killing himself.

[RebelOne]

42. Love Kincinich and Braun.

Too bad they don't have a chance in hell of being nominated. Well, my second choice is Clark, and third is Dean.

[bearfartinthewoods]

45. Edwards..publicly funded campaigns and free air time!! woohoo!

[incapsulated]

46. Kerry vs. Dean

On bin Laden!

[Tinoire]

47. I LOVE the fact that they can ask each other questions

I think this is MUCH needed because they're asking the questions we've been asking each other.

This is good practice anyway. Rove's questions will be a lot tougher.

[BootinUp]

48. Edwards on lobbyists and campaign finance

I like Edwards, and he is a great speaker. Good ideas too. He is continuing to say we need to change washington. Its too bad he hasn't gained more support, but I think he can still be a spoiler in Iowa.

[Tinoire]

50. Edwards grows on me with each passing day. n/t

[TheDonkey]

52. Dean fought off Kerry's attack.

Kerry is true that Dean does flirt and change his opinions... OFTEN.

But it's good that Dean can fight back cause it's gonna come up eventually against chimp.

[incapsulated]

53. Kerry has a point, but...

He's not making it well.

[Brian_Expat]

54. Kerry going for blood against Dean. . .

. . . Mischaracterizing Dean's statements.

[Padraig18]

57. And Dean fights back!

:evilgrin:

[w13rd0]

68. Yep, and doing so blatantly...

...with a string of mischaracterizations. Nice to see that the attacks on Dean do more to make his opponents look petty than make Dean look bad.

Now question to Dean regarding faith...

Is Dean the only one in this race? I know that he's the "frontrunner", but this is silly.

His answer is good.

Gephardt talking about how he's run for President more than anyone else...

[newsguyatl]

58. dean

has now taken off with this thing!


he IS the true leader up there.


edwards has done a great job as well!

[NoPasaran]

Dean

A gaffe is when you say something and the Washington establishment thinks you shouldn't have

[Padraig18]

63. I LOVE that line! n/t

[Brian_Expat]

64. That's awesome and a quote that will be remembered. :) n/t

[tridim]

59. Wait, why didn't Dean get to ask a question?

Did I miss it?

[Padraig18]

61. he did.

He asked everyone who is ABB to raise their hands, and they did. he went 1st.

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. He asked the first question. n/t

[laruemtt]

60. this is good training

for Dean. he's doing well, but Clark does and will do better.

[JNelson6563]

84. well we don't really know now that

he's missed the only debate with this format. It's been a very revealing event so far.

It will get lots of airtime.

Julie

[incapsulated]

62. ooo, God and Guns for Dean! n/t

[Bucky]

65. Kerry just passed a turd. Looks foolish. Dean's right again. I hate that.

Kerry just went down a notch, Dean just went up a notch. ABB, but Kerry's kind of a woofer right now

[Hoppin_Mad]

75. Damn ! I missed 20 minutes on a phone call ! Repeat later ?

Thanks

[Tinoire]

67. Dean re opportunism in inserting religion into his campaign in the South

Handled that extremely well! That in North we don't talk openly about it but in South, both Blacks and Whites do so I have to adapt my style. Makes total sense!

[TheDonkey]

79. He needs to work on that soundbyte more

but once he gets it down this "issue" will disappear.

Dean's doing very good.

[Padraig18]

85. he did well. n/t

[incapsulated]

73. Oh, bad answer...

"I need to be more comfortable in their milieu??"

[DemNoir]

77. geez

instant quote distotion! not evem close to what he said!

[incapsulated]

81. Then please correct me if I'm wrong

I'll admit it, that's what I heard.

[BootinUp]

87. He basically said

he needs to get more comfortable with expressing his faith in public. Problem is you can tell he has a ways to go. There was a Zogby poll on either MTP or This Week this morning. Said 67% of people the red states think our POTUS needs to have strong religious beliefs.

[incapsulated]

94. I still stand

By that quote, until proven otherwise. It makes him sound like he's talking to foreigners.

[adamrsilva]

88. Somebody better say their Iraq vote

Well Gephardt and Edwards didn't... Kerry, you got balls?

[TeacherCreature]

78. Edwards gives a real dumb answer

on foreign policy experience. He says he has more experience in foreign policy than Clinton and Reagan. He might be right, but no one will care. He wasted an answer.

[Zynx]

80. I've always thought the whole "experience" thing is a lot of hoohah.

I like Edwards personally and I don't hold that against him.

[bearfartinthewoods]

91. it is true, he's been on the foreign affairs commitee which is more

than ronnie, clinton bush or dean.

[AP]

93. who doubts he will sincerely work with other countries and show leadership

as he said.

[Zynx]

96. Exactly. I don't hold the "experience" issue in very high regard.

George H.W. Bush was supposedly very experienced in that field and he wasn't partiuclarly good.

[Tinoire]

83. Kucinich re Electability

Lots of people say they really like you but that you're unelectable. Why is that?

I'm electable if you vote for me.

Good answer

[w13rd0]

86. Kerry asked how he's going to win in the South...

...he says his being a veteran and he'll pick a southern running mate.

Kucinich says he can be elected if people vote for him.

Gephardt talking about his failures in the Congress.

[Zynx]

92. McGovern was a veteran. That didn't help any.

[adamrsilva]

97. No one took back war vote

This just solidifies Dean for me.

[adamrsilva]

Carol, Kucinich, and Dean had best answers

Dennis was hilarious!

[TeacherCreature]

90. Carol , "dancing with dictators"

she is great!

[TheDonkey]

95. Braun bitchslapped right wingers. (nt)

[hellhathnofury]

98. wow, Dean building bridges to Edwards?

[BootinUp]

99. Dean kissin and making up with Edwards

Interesting.

[Zynx]

104. I think he's thinking about Edwards as a Veep or maybe is trying to get

him off his tail.

[Padraig18]

107. Or Attorney General.

He'd ROCK as AG! unlike Asscraft, Edwards was a GOOD lawyer before he entered politics! :P

[stopbush]

BIG mistake attacking Dean in the "ask another candidate a

question" period.

All if did was give Dean more face time than anybody else. Props to Edwards, CMB and DK for being smart enough not to do this.

[adamrsilva]

108. You're right

"BIG mistake attacking Dean in the "ask another candidate a"
Posted by stopbush
question" period.

All if did was give Dean more face time than anybody else. Props to Edwards, CMB and DK for being smart enough not to do this.


-It just gave him a chance to correct his "gaffes."

[Tinoire]

100. Kucinich on what are you proud of and what was a mistake

Proud: of having saved the Municipal Electric System (to the citizen's great and continuing advantage when you look at what deregulation did in my state!)

Mistake: firing chief of police live on 6PM news on Good Friday in the years since I've learned a lot of diplomacy and have since reconciled with that gentleman.

[w13rd0]

101. CMB...

...talking about RW distortion of her attending a memorial service. She would have gotten major props if she's mentioned Wellstone. Kerry now talking about how Cleland suffered for not having defended himself. Kerry's response was good. Now Kucinich. Saying he's learned some diplomacy. I enjoy this debate SO MUCH MORE than prior ones. Lieberman talking now. Early in my career in Ct. I was more focused on rights of criminals than rights of victims (gee, his mistake was being soft on crime, but now he's TOUGH). Dean, says one of his mistakes was mischaracterizing Edwards position.

I didn't catch that next q&a to Dean. Something about earned legalization.

ON EDIT: I got the apology wrong, it was to Edwards, not DK. I was assuming it was DK because of earlier.

[bearfartinthewoods]

103. DEAN ADMITS LYING ABOUT EDWARDS AND APOLOGIZES

again...figures he would pick the only lie he's already retracted instead of the lie about DK.

[laruemtt]

105. Dean apologized again to Edwards

for something he had misquoted him on in the past. classy. my estimation of Dean has risen in this debate.

[adamrsilva]

109. Graham makes most since as Dean's VP

Souther, foreign policy experience. Edwards might be good too, though. Maybe he'll get another positions - should Dean win, of course. ;)

[Zynx]

He's trying to soften the image that he is a mean guy by being gracious.

He is one shrewd dude.

[Tinoire]

106. Edwards- GREAT answer on why Litmus Tests for Supreme Court

Justices is dumb. I totally agree with his answer. Packaged it well for everyone too.

[Moderator]

110. Please continue.....Thread 4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=61442

[TheDonkey]

111. Braun just gave a hug group hug on stage. it was great (nt)