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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:25 AM
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ABC: The Note: How Bush can still win
The Note which yesterday said the election was "Kerry's to lose." apparently got a deluge of e-mails from Bush supporters telling them not to count their guy out. So they came up with a list of ways Bush can still win the election. Your thoughts?

1. John Kerry's relative (un)likeability has yet to become as big of a factor in this race as it undoubtedly will in the fall. Hands down, Bush will always win the "have a soda with" question.
(Pure Bunk!! they used this as an arguement against Gore too--just because someone is intelligent apparently doesn't make them "one of the guys.")

2. Says a top Democratic stategist about the Kerry-Edwards campaign: "No one knows what their message is. 'Complex and layered isn't necessary enough.' (I say better than 'impulsive and trigger happy.')

3. Kerry's position on terrorism leaves him somewht vulnerable to the charge that he simply does not "get" the overwhelming consensus in favor of tough and sometimes pre-emptive--action against terrorist entities--a postition that both parties believe most Americans support. (This is entirely seperate from the question of whether the Iraq invasion was warranted, wise, or well-handled.)
(I say, yes, Bush showed how he understands the War on Terrorism by abandoning Bin-Ladden and Afghanistan and going into Iraq--right.)

4. John Kerry has not laid out a plausible position on how he'd conince foreigh countries to send troops to Iraq or how eh'd bring US troops home earlier, ect.

5. It is not implausible that Kerry will get hammered in the debates. (That is why Bush wants to avoid real debates? I say bring it on).

6. It is not implausible that the possible array of "unexpected events"--capturing Bin Laden, another terrorist attack, ect--will benefit Bush. (I can't argue too much with the capture of Bin-Ladden, but another terrorist attack on Bush's watch!! I don't see how that helps him.)

7. Voters for the most part take John Kerry's view of the economy, seniors support him in droves, and yet he barely leads--eveidence that Kerry hasn't closed the deal. (yes, tsk, tsk he leads an incumbent president, but not by a big enough margin--so obviously something is wrong with Kerry--not Bush who the public knows and has been president for four years).

8. If there's a gay marriage ban on the Ohio ballot (apparently that will bring out all the rednecks).

9. The Democratic machine is OBSESSED with getting someone to write about certain subjects like Haliburton, and spends way too much time trying to plant stories about it. (God Forbid the press do their duty and actually investigate this).

10. The Note is OBSESSED with field machines and knows that the Kerry campaign and the DNC are more than capable of putting together a stellar one. But the Republicans already have one. It's massive, intense, targeted, and sophisticated. The Republcans have the NRA and Redeem the Vote. (yeah, their organization is so good that the other night I got a call from them asking for my support for Bush. How is such a sophisticated machine capable of calling a life long liberal democrat to solicit support? seems like it needs retooling. By the way, the democrats had the best field organization in 2000 which accounts for Gore's victory and will have the best field organization in 2004).

What a bunch of hot air.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:27 AM
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1. Corporate media wants RATINGS to be UP...need close election
They don't get viewers for their news unless the race HAS news, even if artificial corporate media crap.

They NEED to either bash Kerry to make the race closer or PRETEND it's closer to get better viewership.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:50 AM
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4. It's the same reason they were so gung ho on the war
it's all about ratings, if it bleeds, it leads.
Vultures
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:32 PM
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11. That is absolutely true, Capn!
It's about advertiser $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Natural disasters, rape cases, murder, anything that bleeds. The more sensational the better.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:28 PM
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9. You're right, jackstraw.
The media wants a close horse race with a photo finish. And they'll pimp it in that way, whether it's true or not.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:45 AM
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2. It is all "wartime resolve" and stay the course-and is pushed by our media
Corporate ownership of the media is what has destroyed political discussion - and made possible a rape the middle class GOPer like Bush to even stay near to Kerry in the polls.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:47 AM
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3. I say, "Screw 'em"
Yeah, these network pundits are so g-dd--m prescient all of the time - bastards: when everyone who had a half-brain was screaming that maybe there might just be a problem taming a 10,000 year old civilization, they said "Bunk!" - we're the American Army. We can do anything.

The idiots at ABC and the others forgot that soldiers are trained to be soldiers, not propagandists, and not policemen.

Then after the fiasco, they reflectively ask themselves the question, "Gee, what went wrong? Nobody would've believed that this could happen." Koppel and all of the other schmucks, with that 'intellectual repartee which they save for 11 PM thru 5 AM on ABC WNN. which I happen to enjoy but am so disgusted with the BS connected with the Administration and the reactionary Right.

Morans.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:51 AM
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5. Yeah, I think The Note was right the first time...
As you say,WI_DEM, the reasons why bush could "still win" are so much "Hot Air".

1)Having a soda with the President of the USA might have worked in 2000 but our World is too on the brink right now...no time for sodas ..time to get to work and do the job that bush hasn't been doing these last four years. bush has been having too many sodas.

2)And cool it with the buzz words.."complexed and layered", democratic strategist! Kerry/Edwards message is simple..if you watched, looked and listened to their respective convention speeches..that they wrote themselves! Hope and Help is on the way!

3)I agree with your position on bush and terror..9/11 happened on republican watch..bush dropped the ball when he went after Iraq and opened up the mother of all can of worms.

4)I don't know Kerry's plan to bring in the World for coalitions for Iraq..but I'm sure being the statesman and diplomat that he is that he will come up with something brilliant. I believe the repukes haven't tried..because they wanted all the oil for themselves and blair.

5)As for the debates..anything is possible..if bush has an earpiece for listening to coaching.

6)I'm reading these reasons and I see the repukes are DESPERATE~
They can't rely on bush's record ..now can they?

7)With bush out there lying every day and the media propping him up ..is it any wonder some people still support him..poor delusional souls that they are..but Kerry is a Great Closer..so I wouldn't count on delusion forever.

8)Yeah, "gay marriage" ban could bring people out of the woodwork..so thanks for pointing that out..we need to find ways to bring them out for our side, too!

9)Certain subjects like "Halliburton"? And the Plame case? And the awol case?

10)I hope you told those great field operators that called you asking for support..who you are supporting? Of course, you did!

I'm really excited about all that I'm hearing about how the Dems are getting out the vote in 2004. bush has been the great uniter for Dems. These last four years have been hell and we can't wait to get you out ..frat boy.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:54 AM
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6. My Note to the Bush Supporters who wrote to the Note
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 11:54 AM by emulatorloo
1. Who do you want to share a soda in a foxhole with?

2. Anybody who doesn't know the Kerry/Edwards "message" by now is willfully ignorant.

3. Then why does Kerry want to increase special ops if he "doesn't get it?" BTW he "gets' that our ports and electrical grids need more protection, which GWB can't fathom.

4. He would convince them by a) not being GWB b) not giving all contracts to Dick's Halliburton

5. Bush will do well in the debates if the bar is set low enough by Rove/Bush Bots. ABC, do your job as journalists to make sure they don't get away w it.

6. Who knows how an unexpected event will play out. . .May benefit Kerry.

7. Just wait. . .what we see in the internals is gonna bubble up eventually. As an incumbent, all GWB has are failed policies and a promise he's gonna do better.

8. Journalists, do your job pointing out the bait-and-switch.

9. So Halliburton doesn't matter?

10. Real people are out there talking up Kerry/Edwards.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:06 PM
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7. "I got a call from them asking for my support for Bush."
Make sure when they do this you ask for any/all materials they got to be sent to you, it costs them money!!
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:24 PM
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8. All that has to happen in my view is him NOT winning either FL, OH, or MO
or both NV and WV. Because those are by and away the most competative states that Gore didn't "win" in 2000, and he needs another 10 EV's in addition to what Gore officially won. And he's far more likely to win most of them before he could pick up Bush leaning states like AZ, CO, AR, TN, VA, or NC
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:31 PM
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10. 11. Stealing the election.
Hah! They left out the one that is probably most pertinent. Sheez!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:52 PM
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12. Only two things
and that's Osama and Diebold can save Bush now.

There's no other reason for independants and moderates to vote for him. He's trailing Kerry in the number of moderates by 18pts in FL in a new poll.
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