Democratic Debate.....Thread 4

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Thread 3:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=61237

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1. kick

[everdene]

8. Serious big ups to the DU MODS!!!!

[TeacherCreature]

2. Carols answer on candidates

any of them are better than bush. She is a class act.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

3. Kucinich on family farmers

He's done very well all night!

[stopbush]

4. DK is doing the best he's ever done.

A man before his time?

[Dover]

13. And he was partying hard last night in Austin, Tx. LOL!

What stamina!

[KittyWampus]

5. I Love Dennis Kucinich

:)

Just catching bits and pieces here....

[TheDonkey]

6. Braun just gave a huge group hug to everyone on stage. it was great (nt)

[Padraig18]

7. Yeah.

I love Carol! :)

[MuseRider]

10. She is one classy lady.

I would be happy to vote for her. Loved the way she took on the RW about the funeral. Very nicely done.

[stopbush]

9. Are CMB, Kerry and Gep getting less airtime than the others?

Or is it just a perception thing on my part?

[hellhathnofury]

12. Perception.

Q&A was Dean heavy, but that was their choice.

[TexasSissy]

51. Less than Dean & Lieberman, but not less than Clark & Kucinich.

Dean's the one all over the news. The media likes his controversial nature.

All the others have MUCH less air time, and when I DO hear about them on TV, it's something negative. Like Kerry's campaign isn't cutting it, Lieberman's appeal has gone down, etc.

It's a miracle anyone else has decent scores in the polls, considering the lack of media coverage. And Dean's complaining about being attacked. Truth is, he loves it. It gets his name on the news.

[zulchzulu]

60. I thought Gep had plenty of time...Kerry had a little less time

I'll rewatch the debate and see if your hunch is right.

[Dover]

11. I really like this debate format. It seems that a lot more information

is getting expressed. Of course there is always room for even more depth and bredth....

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

15. these moderators were great

unlike last time.

[laruemtt]

18. big improvement!

:)

[Tinoire]

14. Kucinich Vegan & Meat Industry Mad Cow

Question is cheaply phrased... As someone who doesn't eat meat, with mad cow and all, how can you do for farmers?

Farmers in Iowa want a President to make sure he can get parity in price and enable them to get their goods to market.

What will help them is that I plan to take care of the things they care about, to break up agricultural monopolies, ensure the FDA is responsive to their needs such as in support for tests (mad cow)

Well be enacting policies that will enable the farmer to feed his family. That's what they care about not what I eat.

Ended on a shrill note. Minus points for that but answer was excellent

[hellhathnofury]

16. Joe just called Howard an angry extremist.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Oy Vey! Get a NEW speech Howard!

That one is getting REALLY old. JMCPO

[BootinUp]

22. I just don't get it

Howard does nothing for me. But thats just my opinion of course.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. I can't believe I actually use to support him.

:(
He does nothing for me either. In fact, he really turns me off now.

[WillyT]

36. Yeah, I Can't Believe That Either, LOL !!!

Just funnin ya.

:evilgrin:

[AP]

23. Interesting contrast to Edwards's "you and I can change America together."

Edwards said that first, and then dean was left with "I can't do it, you can do it." It sounded kind of watered down compared to Edwards.

[BootinUp]

29. Agree, Edwards was very good. He won this debate. n/t

[adamrsilva]

25. No one really dominated

so again, Dean wins by proxy, though he did do pretty well so it's not undeserved. I also liked Edwards and Braun.

[Padraig18]

31. Disagree--- Edwards and Dean *clearly* dominated. n/t

[TexasSissy]

53. You're not objective. I've never run across a Dean supporter yet

who admitted that Dean didn't "win" one of the debates.

As for Edwards being one of the winners, I agree. He picked up some votes tonight.

[hellhathnofury]

58. We didn't win the first few.

[bearfartinthewoods]

65. it is getting as tarnished as the mill story which thankfully , was absent

[nomaco-10]

20. Dean has shown why he is the frontrunner in this debate.

[JNelson6563]

32. and the others have shown

well, why they are "the others". ;-)

Julie

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

21. Dean's summation ROCKS!

The frontrunner is Bush
The people must take back their country!

Woo hoo! Great Great Great debate! Howard was great today! So was Carol, Dennis, and John! I'd love to see any of them as VP!

[everdene]

27. I do so wish Sharpton and Clark had been at the debate, don't you?

[Padraig18]

28. Howard was ON today!

"Takes a licking and keeps on ticking!" :D

[teach1st]

24. They've done well..

Very good format, very good debate. I'm going to have to rethink my choice, though. There seems to be a few good choices - lots of research still.

I'm pretty proud of the Democrats.

[w13rd0]

26. Dick Gephardt is talking about his great education in Saint Louis...

...public schools. Funny, considering my father was in his class. Just that bit of "home" from the dogtown boy.

Now CMB. Says that when the Constitution was written, it didn't apply to her. Excellent closing statement from her. She deserves a cabinet position dammit.

Now Kucinich. Budget cuts are because of Iraq. End of fear, beginning of hope. Reconnect with world community. Re-establish our civil liberties.

Edwards. Not just talking, but listening. I'm ready for this fight. Putting forth his "from the people" credentials. Edwards selling himself as an outsider. I believe in you.

Lieberman. Running because I love this country and hate the direction GB is taking us. I can get elected (?). We aren't going to defeat Bush with anger. Rejecting extremism, shared values, common goals (Iraqi Liberation Council?, PNAC?). Anger, negativism, and division don't win (then why rely on it so much).

Dean. Frontrunner in this campaign is George W Bush. The American people are the underdogs. Stump speech closer.

Kerry. (will he resist a swipe?) Can't beat him by being lite...ok, Kerry is going to use his closing statements to attack Dean, not Bush. <click> Kerry says, "If he wants to make national security the issue of this campaign..." then he says he'll PERMIT IT and take him on regarding national security. Wrong answer, don't let Bush make the election all about national security.

That's it. moderator is thanking everyone.

and that's a wrap...

[adamrsilva]

34. Pundits say Dean wins

With a nice smirk on their face.

[poskonig]

35. CNN has been pimping Lieberman.

eom

[hellhathnofury]

37. Yeah. Scary. I think Judy gets around. Kerry and now Joe.

[bearfartinthewoods]

66. fox says dean,,,big surprise...NOT

[Mairead]

30. Dean spoke extremely well in his 'we can take it back' sum-up

That was very appealing!

I didn't think Dennis or Kerry did as well in their sum-up


DK and CMB got by far the best applause, as far as I can tell.

[TexasSissy]

38. I thought it was hokey and put-on. And that smile at the end

made my stomache turn. I dislike him now more than ever, after this debate. He's more act than substance.

[adamrsilva]

39. who are you talking about?

"I thought it was hokey and put-on. And that smile at the end"
Posted by TexasSissy
made my stomache turn. I dislike him now more than ever, after this debate. He's more act than substance.

Lieberman?

[TexasSissy]

45. Dean (My response was to a post about Dean's closing remarks)

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. He says the same

damn thing at the close of every speech and debate. Ack! He needs a new act! JMCPO

[Sean Reynolds]

42. At least he shows up to the debates.

[janx]

57. Good. I hope he keeps saying it. Over and over and over.

It's important that people hear it, and I don't care how many times he has to say it.

[TexasSissy]

41. I don't support Gephardt, but he did well in this debate. As did Edwards.

I think they were the two winners.

Dean didn't totally screw up, so he'll still be the frontrunner in that state. But the others clarified some (bad) points about him, and that'll cost him a bit.

Kerry - it was a wash for him.

Lieberman - It's getting painful to watch him. No chance of winning. What's he doing?

Braun - She shouldn't be up there taking time from the serious candidates. She has absolutely no chance of winning, so she should bow out now, for the sake of the country and the party. It was okay for her to be in before, but now it's getting tiresome.

[TexasSissy]

43. Oops. I forgot about Kucinich. Well, I guess that pretty much

says it all about how Kucinich did. He was a humorous touch tonight, and he is very articulate, but no chance of winning.

[Dover]

46. Where was your candidate......Clark?

.

[Powerlock]

44. What's up with Deans campaign manager?

They just had a brief interview with him and the guy seems like a real a-hole. His lack of support when asked about rather or not Dean supporters should back the nominee was telling as well. If dean gets the nom first thing he should do is fire this ass.

[adamrsilva]

47. Joe Trippi is a genuis

"What's up with Deans campaign manager?"
Posted by Powerlock
They just had a brief interview with him and the guy seems like a real a-hole. His lack of support when asked about rather or not Dean supporters should back the nominee was telling as well. If dean gets the nom first thing he should do is fire this ass.

-Hell no, Joe Trippi is a big key to Dean's grassroots success. Maybe he's just not good in front of the camera.

[hellhathnofury]

50. He's prob in a hurry to get back on the trail. Trippi is genius.

[BootinUp]

48. Lieberman has a lot to say

in the spin room. Continuing his attack on Dean.

[adamrsilva]

49. Lieberman hates Dean more than Bush

He loves Bush.

[janx]

52. Did anyone else pick up on the vibes between Edwards

and Dean?

AP, are you out there?

Something's going on. Edwards not only did not attack Dean; he seemed to support him at times (especially by taking it to Gep).

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

54. good catch

this could be interesting

[janx]

55. Seriously--did you notice it?

Something's going on.

[Upfront]

61. Yep, I saw it to.

Edwards helped himself today. VP maybe?

[janx]

62. I don't know what it was, but it was very positive, and it

was definitely there! It was great.

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[RevolutionStartsNow]

56. I was there...outside

Dean supporters were out in force in a major blizzard. Edwards had a nice group, and Kerry and Gep had a handful. We had the giant "Win With Dean" signs hoisted up on cranes, which was hilarious and dwarfed the others. We also had tons of AFSCME people there.

Dean came and said hi to us, said a few words, and we followed him down the road to the entrance. It was great, ans showed our dedication.

Will try to post pics in a few days.

[janx]

59. Good for you! We'll look forward to the pics.

I've experienced Iowa blizzards, and I commend you!

[Leilani]

63. My Analysis

I think Edwards won the debate; thought he was just excellent

Thought Dean had a terrific closing statement & did nothing that will hurt his front place status

Gebhardt was terrible

I was hoping Kerry would do better; he didn't; his answers are always too long, he is too pompous, & doesn't connect with people; he needs to lighten up.

Kucinich was Kucinich

CMB was gracious, well spoken, & she will not win

Lieberman was the horrible; he should really leave the party.

I am still supporting Clark; Clark/Edwards would be great!!!!!

[Hoppin_Mad]

67. The clear loser of the debate - Wes Clark

as he didn't bother showing up.

What a campaign !

[TeacherCreature]

68. that was a huge mistake on Clark's part

big dumb mistake

[Rowdyboy]

69. Be for real

The first few debates were somewhat interesting to political junkies like us, but Joe Six-pack doesn't waste a Sunday afternoon watching the fifth in a series of 96 debates between the 834 Democratic candidates.

Many of them watch Meet The Press, though...

[SahaleArm]

70. MTP versus Iowa?

Hello - Everyone is watching the NFL playoffs. Only Iowa and DU watched this debate and even that is suspect. Check the Nielsen overnights, MTP will beat the 'Iowa Debate'. Plus he got a one-in-one forum to pre-announce his tax reform plan.