How about a Dean-Edwards ticket?

[Cascadian]

Apart from the great job Kucinich and Moseley-Braun did in the debates in not constantly attacking Howard Dean, I must give some recognition to John Edwards for at least trying to stay on course in sticking to the issues despite a little poking at Dean. That is understandable.

However, it will be of great importance that Howard Dean must get a Southerner as his running mate. How would fellow Dean supporters feel about a Dean/Edwards ticket?


John

[Alex146]

1. But Clark has the military back ground

I assume he'd be asked first.

[hellhathnofury]

3. I get the feeling that Clark and Dean aren't very friendly anymore.

Stars aint everything. Carter, Reagan, Clinton.

[Alex146]

6. JFK didn't like LBJ did he?

I think if Clark is a true Dem he'll put his feelings aside and take the job for the good of the party.

[hellhathnofury]

11. JFK was a vet. Don't know about LBJ.

Clark might do that. But from what I understand Dean is very big on loyalty. He only has a few key aides that have been with him since the beginning.

[seventhson]

19. JFK picked LBJ and look what happened (November 22, 1963)

I think the same would happen if Dean picked Clark or Kerry (or Lieberman)

[leyton]

55. No, he didn't

IIRC from my half-finished bio of RFK, LBJ (geez, sorry about all the acronyms etc) was furious when he had to be second on the ticket.

[OrAnarch]

15. Im sick of people letting republicans frame this election...

around issues like terrorism, national security, foreign policy experience, etc, when the only qualifying attribute for these concepts, as they defined them, is military experience.


Totally the wrong way about it. I think its up to the dems to show that imperialism is the last action that will make America safer, when diplomacy and cooperation would be the first. Hence, their candidates shouldn't be the people to exemplify the manifestation of right-wing ideology, but rather, those who exhibit the persona of great diplomacy, who show a willingnes to work with the international community and establish global liberalism.

[seventhson]

32. Clark has the background which would IMHO

make Dean a target (by the BFEE/MIC)to get Clark in the top seat if he were a heartbeat from the presidency.

Feel the same about Kerry.

FDR - Nothing in politics happens by accident.

[liberalnurse]

39. Nope.......

I think it will be Edwards now......The Clark camp has been rather hateful to the Dean camp. Not Clark directly mind you...but his storm troopers are pushing his stars all over the place and promoting anti-Dean rhetoric . Funny thing, every active military personnel I speak to, mostly Air Force, all detest Clark.

[zulchzulu]

2. I don't think Edwards likes Dean...

I think it would be a disaster as well with neither having any national security/foreign policy backgrounds.

[seventhson]

38. To say Edwards has no foreign policy experience is b*llshit!!!

He sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee for God's sake.

NOTHING could prepare him better for foreign policy issues IMHO

[watercolors]

4. thought the same.

Did I hear correctly, Edwards say the same to Dean as to a southern ticket? Any one else hear?

[janx]

5. I noticed something during this particular debate.

(I posted this in another thread.) It almost seemed as if there was something going on between Edwards and Dean. Not only did Edwards not attack Dean--he seemed to support him by going after Gep and more.

Did anyone else notice this?

[watercolors]

7. I did, Yes

nt

[Alex146]

9. that would be cool

I hope you are right

[janx]

10. We can't make assumptions, but Edwards and Dean were

collegial in this debate. It's as if they were on the same team.

[Alex146]

23. ummm, they ARE on the same team

it's called the Democratic Party

[janx]

26. I understand that--but it was more than that.

Edwards was taking it to the entrenched D.C. dems just as Dean was.

[Lobo_13]

16. I don't know if it's intentional

but he was definitely running interference for Dean.

If I was a conspiracy kind of person, I'd say that Edwards realizes that he's not likely to get the nom, so he's been screening for Dean as the guy that is most like him and will probably get the nod, and from the grumblings on the ground, he may be the spoiler in IA against Kerry.

Interesting possibility.

[MODemocrat]

29. Yes, my husband and I also noticed that

I thought Dean's apology to Edwards was pretty classy.

[pasadenaboy]

8. Dean needs someone extremely optomistic and positive

to put out to the media to counter act some of his toughness and aggressive.

I really do believe in the long run Edwards is his best choice, even better than Clark.

[hellhathnofury]

17. I agree.

Edwards just might be better than Clark for that very reason. Edwards is like a ray of sunshine. Hope wins.

[seventhson]

12. That is MY ticket too!!!

I would love to see Kucinich \ Braun in the White House in either combination (preferably with Kucinich as Prez) but I want to be sure we win - so practicality demands Dean and the strongest second who is noit IMHO opinion a sellout who would get him JFK'd.

Edwards as VP makes the most sense to me. He brings the South. He brings strong foreign policy knowledge. He is very charismatic and just seems decent, kind and nice.

He also is a hell of a debater and will rip Cheney a new asshole IMHO/

Also he appeals to the new youth votes that Dean brings as a new generation dude.


Go!

Edwards Dean

[ecstatic]

13. ditto. nt

[Cascadian]

18. That looks good but....

I would personally pick Kucinich as Secretary of Labor. IMHO!


John

[seventhson]

22. You missed AL GORE Jr. - US Ambassador to the United Nations!!!

and William J. Clinton - Special Ambassador for Middle East Peace ti Israel/Palestine!!!

[Cascadian]

34. Al Gore as Secretary of State.

He would do well.


John

[seventhson]

45. Extra backup to prevent an assassination attempt.

Gore would be in the line of succession.

Just no Clark or kerry as VP or Sec of State (that would IMHO make Dean a bullseye for the BFEE)

[WillyT]

14. Dean\Clark - Dean\Edwards - I Have No Problem With Either Ticket !!!

I think Edwards would be a better asset on the campaign trail. He's more articulate than the General, but then the General seems to attract folks by resume alone.

Either way, it would be one hell of a ticket!

:bounce:

[Lobo_13]

21. Exactly

If I was looking for someone to stump for me, it would be Edwards.

[MODemocrat]

20. I'd Like a Dean-Edwards ticket just fine

Actually, my husband and I watched the debate today, and were so very impressed with Carol Moseley-Braun's demeanor. She's pretty and smart.
They all seemed so good in their own right, they made us proud. John
Edwards is really sharp, and he is so good looking. Loved Dennis Kucinich. Overall, it was a good debate, in my opinion. :toast: :thumbsup: :dem:

[seventhson]

30. In some ways I like Moseley Braun best for VP with Dean. It is TIME!!!

for an African American Woman in the White House as VP or Prez.!!!

But I am not sure she is as strong as Edwards as a candidate.

I think she is as good or better on policy and as a candidate for the job but will there be a racist backlash that could lose Dems the election?

[stickdog]

43. The problem is not her race or gender. It's the whiff of scandal that

drove her from office.

Otherwise, she'd be my first choice. I like her style, and she teams well with Dean.

[spooky3]

59. The perception of scandal may be important but there are many voters

for whom race and/or gender ARE an issue, whether they will admit it openly or not.

[askew]

24. Dean/Edwards

If Dean has to pick a running mate from one this primary competitors, Edwards is the best bet, in my opinion. A vice president is supposed to help bring in votes from another region in the country and to help move legislation through congress. These would be two big pluses with Edwards. I don't think Clark brings very much to the table as a Vice President. He would be better in a Secretary of State position. CMB would be an interesting pick also, because the majority of women vote democratic. And she was a member of congress.

[hellhathnofury]

25. How much $ does Edwards have left?

[AP]

27. He's on track. He'll have raised 20 million by end of January.

If he spends most of it and does well, he'll get more money.

Remember, this is a race to win, not to raise money. You have to spend the money and get the votes.

[hellhathnofury]

31. It's a bit hard to win if your out of dough by NH.

It's not about money but money does matter.

[AP]

64. Whoever does will in IA and NH and SC will get more money, which will

carry them to the next primary.

[stickdog]

46. If he teams with Dean, it'll be regular joe money + trial lawyer money.

The team could conceivably bring in 150 million without any Soros or DLC money.

[Sophree]

28. This Edwards supporter would settle for

a Dean-Edwards ticket. I still don't get why more people haven't grabbed by JE's hopeful message and potential for REAL American greatness. I'd rather see him at the top of the ticket.

But I could live with that.

[Lobo_13]

41. I've said this before

It's a shame that he hasn't gotten traction.

If by some bizarre situation that Dean doesn't get the nom, I'd be more than happy to vote for Edwards.

He's also my caucus second. But I don't plan on needing it.

[spooky3]

49. me too, Sophree.

[spooky3]

50. me too, Sophree.

[hellhathnofury]

33. Wow McCain caller just said he'd vote for Edwards. CSPAN.

Says there are alot like him.

[seventhson]

42. So did Two other Repubs say they are voting Dem!!!

on Cspan.

[Sophree]

48. There are a lot of Southerners like him.

Who would vote for Edwards.

We should also listen to Senator Graham and nominate someone with a positive, hopeful message. I think he knows what he's talking about. :-)

[Upfront]

35. Good

I like it. Edwards helped himself today. Showed me some fight.

[TexasSissy]

36. Edwards would be a big help to Dean, but Dean also needs military.

Word on the street and in this forum is that he has his eyes on another general. Wonder if it's true. It would need to be a southern general, I think. Maybe not.

[spooky3]

58. He needs someone who understands the Washington scene

and can work with Congress effectively, but doesn't buy into it wholesale. Senatorial experience is as useful as military experience.

[Northwind]

37. Clark blew his chance already

The only way he will ever see the inside of the White House now is if he takes the tour.

And a Dean/Ewards ticket sounds good to me.

[TexasSissy]

44. Dean is not qualified to be Prez, which is why Clark won't be his VP.

[stickdog]

47. Exactly! It's not like Clark has any motivation to do what's best for the

Democratic party or his country or anything like that!

[Northwind]

51. Dean is the only candidate really qualified to be Prez at this point

Clark is not qualified to be Court Jester, but maybe Bushco will let him be that anyway when he goes crying back to the arms of the GOP.

[seventhson]

40. John Edwards is on Senate Intelligence Committee: Best Foreign Policy

Experience possible IMHO.

Foreign policy is nopt just about killing your enemy - it is about the diplomacy of peace and conflict.

Edwards is ALL that!

[janx]

54. That is true. It must be hell to be on that committee right now.

Ask Jay Rockefeller.

That committee has my utmost respect.

[RUexperienced]

52. No GRAVITAS.

Dean must pick someone with some experience. Just a few years ago, Edwards was chasing ambulances.

And Americans would like to see him a heartbeat away from the presidency?

[leyton]

56. Read Four Trials

Yes, it's probably somewhat biased, being written by John Edwards himself. But it's still a good look into what it is to be a trial lawyer - and a brilliant one at that.

[spooky3]

57. So you are ruling out Clark and Sharpton?

Is the only relevant experience as an elected official?

"Chasing ambulances" is insulting and sounds like a RW talking point. Edwards did a great deal of good for his clients. He could have made MUCH more money as a corporate attorney than representing the little guy harmed by these organizations.

[RUexperienced]

60. Clark has gravitas

but has ruled himself not a candidate for VP.

[janx]

61. Dean grasps zeitgeist

and will win the election.

[spooky3]

65. You're missing the point.

If Edwards is unqualified because of his short term in public office, then Clark and Sharpton are even less qualified since they have never been elected.

"Gravitas" is a completely undefined, subjective perception that you have. When you can identify a job-related reason for rejecting him, with supporting evidence, then maybe your comment will be more persuasive and less "bashing".

[RUexperienced]

67. Dean is seen as being weak on defense and ntl security

Clark would fill in that gap. Edwards, Mosley Braun, Sharpton etc would not.

And what is bashing about saying "Clark has gravitas"?

Dean has said things a lot more bashing than that.

[maddezmom]

53. it could be a winning ticket :)

[arewethereyet]

62. While Edwards would be good, he's already said "no"

He's interested in the top slot, not second fiddle.

[JohnKleeb]

63. As a non supporter of Dean

I like it better than Dean-Clark or Dean-Graham. I really like Edwards. I hadnt heard it until a friend of mine who supports Dean brought it up. It would really boost my opinion of Dean if he had someone like Edwards as VP. I dont hate Dean btw guys, I just disagree with him on the issues, yes I am a purist but this purist will support him if hes the winner. Dean-Edwards or anyone with Edwards= good ticket.

[Hep]

66. I could go for that

but I seriously doubt it will happen

[Ficus]

68. anyone notice Edwards' voice?

is getting more and more "southern" as the primaries go on? Just an observation.