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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:23 AM Original message |
Mark Morford: Is Obama an enlightened being? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. I have to admit I'm in awe of him, and I gave up hero worship of politicians decades ago |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
133. It's simply competence and synchronicity |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm so glad somebody finally said this out loud ! Thanks for posting !! |
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all.of.me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Ditto! |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
3. This gets it: |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
4. I've been thinking along a similar line... |
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GreenEyedLefty (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. The common denominator is "hope." |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. I don't believe in "enlightenment" and "hipper than thou" attention gurus |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Amen |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
112. Perhaps some people responding to this post are unfamiliar with Morford's work. n/t |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. I'd be more apt to buy into this after he actually accomplished |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
48. This Wasn't Just Any PRIMARY Election |
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uberblonde (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
8. Uh, and people still wonder where the "cultist" label comes from? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. well, Obama makes NO such claims, that is the difference |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yes, he is very charismatic and talented |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. what exactly do you think charisma is? It's those who light up a room. Some people |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. And here all this time I thought charisma was an aspect of personality! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. it is, now you've gotten the point. Huzzah! ANYONE can be an "Enlightened Being" |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Good! Then quit trying to call it "lightworker"! |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Definition of "lightworker" |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. thanks Morning Glow, I'd like your little signature emoticon |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Thanks! |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Light = consciousness |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
49. Proud Member of The Cults of MLK, RFK, JFK, Jesus Christ |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
66. He warned hopeless burned out hippies to click away, but you read it anyway. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
74. We already have the laying on of hands, and even Apostolic Succession! |
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
92. I think the "cultist" label came from Hillary supporters. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
9. Interesting |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
10. Obama exhibits the POSITIVE manifestation of Ego. He really does serve the Common Good |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
11. Our culture is undergoing a massive shift, right here and now. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
12. oh god no... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
13. There's something to him... |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
14. Oh for God's sake this is ridiculous |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I wholeheartedly agree, this is dangerous thinking seriously. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Who said he was the second coming of christ? You missed the entire point |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No, you missed the entire point |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. there's nothing supernatural about charisma. There's nothing supernatural about those |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. That's right. There isn't. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. It is due to |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
82. Light comes in a variety of frequencies |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. I know. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
119. I agree. We are all |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
55. You Don't Know That |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. No, you clearly don't understand what I am saying |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
96. It's Only 8 Years |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
116. he may have an "enlightened" ego and by that I do not mean that he possesses |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #73 |
130. No, you don't understand what YOU are saying. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. It is exactly what people are saying |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Once again, you're tilting at straw men. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
129. There's no reason he can't be considered at least as enlightened as the Dalai Lama |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
17. There are few things in this world I hate more than Castenada-style bullshit.... |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. How about charisma and talent? Isn't that enough? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. In addition to the rest of his laundry-list of good qualities, yup. |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
24. oh my.....this was too icky for me........ until............. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Basically, that is the heart of it. |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. An important distinction, Kentuck. |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
54. Bingo. Those who are icked-out need to re-read that part. |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. "spiritually advanced people" = "perilously hubristic woowoos" |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. spiritually advanced people = people working for humanity's welfare |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. seconded. |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. thirded n/t |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #43 |
62. Gazing into crystal balls and shuffling tarot cards helps humanity's welfare how? |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Who said anything about crystal balls or tarot cards? |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I see a gooey new-age bullshit OP. How am I reaching? |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Well, that's just not nice |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Or, you could climb aboard reality. |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Okay, you know what? Not a productive discussion. |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Fine. Nice chattin'. Enjoy all the pretendin' you can have your cake and eat it too. nt |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
77. A-motherfucking-MEN. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
98. can I recommend this post? n/t |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
28. I don't care what you call it or how you explain it - I like it! nt |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
30. It isn't so much whether or not Obama is or is not like this... |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
34. Makes sense to me |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
61. I wish I could rec a post MG |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Thanks so much, CFF! |
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iiibbb (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
35. I'd be careful about such characterizations |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Nobody said "deify" |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
39. Obama is sooo NOT woo woo. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
42. I Believe He Is Special - Thanks In Part by His Feminist MOM |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
46. the match is struck! |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
50. I usually despise new age stuff, but this is an exception! |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
51. Enlightened? I don't know if I would call it that. But it does seem he has |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
52. Morford did add this caveat: |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
53. K&R |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
56. "Lightworker"?? Dude, that's fucking woo-woo up the wazoo. |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Sigh. Semantics. |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. The whole concept is woo-woo. |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Really? |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I'd call it a "compromise." |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. You hit the nail on the head RandomKoolzip -nt- |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. And that's one of the problems with this country |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. No, but I would call that an offensive slap against all non-Christians... |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. ...What? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Its the religious equivalent of using the phrase "How White of you." |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I hope you understand that I didn't use it that way |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. I think I understand, I disagree about Obama being a "lightbringer" however its defined... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #89 |
110. your claim... |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
105. Just because you can't see something |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Just because all facts, science, and empiricism dictate something's non-existence |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it is there, too |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
136. Except when it comes to concepts. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
57. Shows transparent |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
59. Yes, he is a 'lightworker'. |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is just as terrifying -- maybe more -- as fundies thinking Bush was sent by God. |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
68. The term 'Enlightenment' |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
72. Drugs are bad, mmmkay? |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
79. WTF? "Lightworker"? Is he an electrician? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
81. Obama is clearly a Subgenius |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. But did Obama send in his $30? 'Cuz if not, he's still pink to "Bob." |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. Evidence: |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I love it. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. I'm sure it's packed with the kind of shamanistic ethnobotanicals that lightworkers prefer. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
113. I have had my epiphany! |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
115. Ack! |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
84. Enlightenment is like a box of chocolates |
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madaboutharry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
93. I think that there are people who are |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
97. I think obama |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
100. It is truly fascinating to read the replies and comments |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Your comment is funny... |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Of course. We each live in our own realities, after all. |
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dougkeenan (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
101. Leave it to Morford to disturb a few crackpots n/t |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. I take it most of those responding to this post are unfamiliar with Morford's work. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
114. Bookmarking thread for time capsule. |
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NightOwwl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
117. Magical |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
118. Obama acts as a catalyst. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
120. This part concerns me... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
121. That's Some Creepy Shit. Some People Need To Get A Grip. |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #121 |
127. Don't read Morford much, do you? |
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BigBluenoser (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
122. Seriously.. you are going to be dissapointed... |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
123. Obama's not the Messiah, he's not Jesus, |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
124. Stop it. I'm still trying to accept CFC bulbs. |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
125. No |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
126. how is this any different from the fundies believing Bush was working for God? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
128. He's a good public speaker |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
131. Maybe he was an Indigo Child, |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
132. Obama is an enlightened being. The rub is in parsing what that means. |
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