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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:07 AM Original message |
Final totals: Hillary Clinton lost the popular vote... |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. Never mind Michgan--four of the caucus states NEVER RELEASED THE VOTE TOTALS |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Don't worry, the Clinton people "estimated" them for us. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. And remember how IRATE Obama was and How he DEMANDED that the Harlem voters be counted?? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. RCP has six popular vote totals, three favoring Obama, including the first two: |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. link: |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Nobody can estimate Iowa's 'vote' because Iowa didn't have a vote |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. RealClearPolitics did estimate it for three of the six totals. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. They can't |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I think the key word is estimate. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. How do you get a 'ballpark figure' when you don't have a clue who 'voted' |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Virgin Islands didn't either & there are no numbers for that - he won by 40 points |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I guess the VI don't count either? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. But the estimates are meaningless. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I absolutely agree. |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. K & R for some truth. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Shameless re-kick n/t |
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Left coast liberal (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. It's over. This isn't helpful. Change the channel, we are ALL Obama supporters now. |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. i find hillary supporters clinging to that arguement to be unhealthy...breeds a "we were robbed"... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. Yes ...that's the problem I have with it too. |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
42. agreed |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. Deleted sub-thread |
MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
8. Nope |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. are you counting all those caucuses where people raised their hand for obama? n/t |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Of course he/she isn't and that is typical of the Hillary popular vote enthusiasts. |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. The same ones cheering when crazy Terry introduced her as the next POTUS |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Why should caucuses count? |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Caucuses don't count |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. She was certainly the choice of crossover Republican voters trying to fuck with our election... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I guess those repuke Limpballz votes count just as much as real Dem votes for the Hillary supporters |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Now now..... |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
65. You do know.... |
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muryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Registered dems say... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. Seconded n/t |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Thirded |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. And can you tell me what significance there is to the fact that more people voted for her |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
31. You sir, are a fracking liar and I'm sick of it. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yep ...like I said ...it's the delegate count, not the popular vote. |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
11. RCP confirms Obama won the Popular vote anyway. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Aw, that pesky bluebird of happiness is still flying around... |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. who cares, drop it |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. No, it's a lie that needs to be put to rest, as often as necessary. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
30. Doesn't matter. Obama WON the popular vote by ANY RATIONAL STANDARD |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Thats' the problem with the die hard Hillary supporters ...they act irrational. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Kicky |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Kicking |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Kickypoo |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. kkiicckk |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Geeze ...I can't believe this thread is still going on. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Stop lying. She won the popular vote and would have killed him in those caucuse states if |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Your queen lost. Deal with that. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. She never said she was queen, Obama was picked by the party bosses and you don't know if |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Yeah, we might lose dozens of votes. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You don't know what will happen in 2012 or in 2008--none of us can. And I did vote for |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. & I'm a Democrat who will be sending $ to Hillary's Primary challenger in 2012. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Expect to be disappointed with the outcome. Then again, you can also expect to be |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Really..... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Nice stats n/t |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. Its simple. |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
44. Bottom line |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
50. How can you talk about "respecting the will of the people" and... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. and how do you count the votes from Puerto Rico which only allows voters to vote in the primary? |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Agreed; Puerto Rico results should be excluded... |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
55. Bullshit. Y'all played W to her Gore with the DNC playing Katherine Harris, now get over that. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
58. It does not matter. There are at least 6 different ways to count the popular vote. At least. |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
64. Verifiable numbers that prove he won the so-called "popular vote". |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Excellent stats n/t |
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